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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in In other news today...:
For one thing, I think the word that you're translating as "accident" is more closely related to "incident." The English phrase "incidental characteristics" matches up with how you're using it.
No, accident is the English word used by philosophers for this purpose.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
the English word used by philosophers
Words, what do they mean?
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
the English word used by philosophers
Words, what do they mean?
@remi already explained that
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
the English word used by philosophers
Words, what do they mean?
@remi already explained that
Probably used words, tho.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
The results of the experiment were a 'startling conclusion'.
That's pretty much the basic plot to any horror movie that has animals in it.
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@remi said in In other news today...:
IIRC, the distinction relies on the old Aristotelian distinction between "essence" and "accidents" (no idea if those are the English words... they're the French ones, and in French they're totally different from the everyday meaning of those words so at that point they might as well be the "foo" and "bar").
Aristotle considered the essence to have existence independent of human minds, but many later philosophers say it only exists in our, shared, mind. It wouldn't be a “chair” if it wasn't for us calling it that. We can mostly agree on which things are “chair”s, so the mind is shared, but in many cases we don't agree perfectly, which suggests the definition isn't universal or external.
@remi said in In other news today...:
Some other protestant churches see the bread as purely symbolic, so while they treat it with respect during the ceremony itself, it's only ever a piece of bread and you can do whatever you want with it even during the ceremony (kind of like the bible is just a book and there is no specific religious offense if it's destroyed -- as opposed to the Quran which, like an US flag, is a sacred thing by itself).
Of course considering the essence being only in our minds rather than objective blurs this line. If the essence (or nature or whatever) is in our minds, then it is symbolic only, and it just depends on you how far you want to take the symbolism.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
It wouldn't be a “chair” if it wasn't for us calling it that.
Not true. I am the current keeper of the definitive chair, it's been in the family for generations. It looks just like a chair. And/or "chair".
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I can only point to the example cited by one D. N. Adams on the subject.
‘Address the chair!’ snapped the management consultant.
‘There isn’t a chair,’ explained Ford, ‘there’s only a rock.’
The management consultant decided that testiness was what the situation now called for. ‘Well, call it a chair,’ he said testily.
‘Why not call it a rock?’ asked Ford.
Why, indeed, not call it a rock?
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@Arantor I'll call it a blargle and then I know what I mean.
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Send data packet to phone. Crash phone (at least until reboot).
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@DogsB let’s be for real here, things that remind you of WTDWTF members…
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Two thirds of this group was made up of millennials and so-called “Zoomers”, defined as the two generations born between the early 1980s and the 2000s..
Ha! I knew if we kept calling them zoomers it would catch. I’ll report in in a few months when they drop the scare quotes!
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@DogsB let’s be for real here, things that remind you of WTDWTF members…
No, on WTDWTF, we'd post the classified military specs in the Lounge, so the leak would be quite a bit more constrained...
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@cvi said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
@DogsB let’s be for real here, things that remind you of WTDWTF members…
No, on WTDWTF, we'd post the classified military specs in the Lounge, so the leak would be quite a bit more constrained...
I sometimes wonder if I’ve doxxed myself in the lounge but I suspect a regular lounger is probably more loyal to me than most of my work colleagues.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
@cvi said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
@DogsB let’s be for real here, things that remind you of WTDWTF members…
No, on WTDWTF, we'd post the classified military specs in the Lounge, so the leak would be quite a bit more constrained...
I sometimes wonder if I’ve doxxed myself in the lounge but I suspect a regular lounger is probably more loyal to me than most of my work colleagues.
I’ve posted enough small details that, if anybody wanted to, could pinpoint me pretty precisely. But I’m counting on there being no motivation (why would anyone care) and a whole lot of .
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@topspin One day I'm going to get shitcanned for breaking NDA and it's going to be because of the WTDWTF Lounge.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Again, or is it an old article? Well, I guess again, because I don't think it was a Chinese tank last time.
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@Bulb Third time. Apparently happened before with a British tank and then with a French one.
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@cvi how much of a raging hard-on do you have to have to win an online argument by breaking a country's official secrets legislation?
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@Arantor yes.
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Different topic.
Wild boars enjoy Berlin.
But Berlin does not like them, killed 2,500 wild boars last year.
:grunt:
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@Gribnit said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
the English word used by philosophers
Words, what do they mean?
@remi already explained that
Probably used words, tho.
Fucking words....
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Two thirds of this group was made up of millennials and so-called “Zoomers”, defined as the two generations born between the early 1980s and the 2000s..
Ha! I knew if we kept calling them zoomers it would catch. I’ll report in in a few months when they drop the scare quotes!
I experienced this recently. Well, not the forgetting part, it's been the same pin for two decades. But according to the bank it was wrong. So I reset it to the same pin again.
Wonder if that's related...
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@BernieTheBernie not sure what’s the problem, just add cranberries.
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article @DogsB linked in In other news today... said:
Millennials haven't used cash for so long they cannot remember their Pin
The pin is still required for payments above ~20€ here, and occasionally for smaller payments too. Isn't it the same in England?
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@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
Different topic.
Wild boars enjoy Berlin.
But Berlin does not like them, killed 2,500 wild boars last year.It seems to be the rape. Wild boars (unlike deer, for whom it's somewhat toxic) prosper in the rape fields and, because of the height and density of the growth, it's basically impossible to hunt them there. So there is too many of them essentially everywhere in Europe.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
article @DogsB linked in In other news today... said:
Millennials haven't used cash for so long they cannot remember their Pin
The pin is still required for payments above ~20€ here, and occasionally for smaller payments too. Isn't it the same in England?
They upped the limit a couple of years ago, at the start of lockdown, so people could pay for more completely contactlessly (when people weren't sure about transmission by surface).
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
@Bulb said in In other news today...:
article @DogsB linked in In other news today... said:
Millennials haven't used cash for so long they cannot remember their Pin
The pin is still required for payments above ~20€ here, and occasionally for smaller payments too. Isn't it the same in England?
They upped the limit a couple of years ago, at the start of lockdown, so people could pay for more completely contactlessly (when people weren't sure about transmission by surface).
Also if you use contactless via Apple Pay, Google Pay etc the limit is higher again and there isn't the need to occasionally enter the card's PIN.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@BernieTheBernie not sure what’s the problem, just add cranberries.
Yes, they are tasty.
But still ... I prefer those which ate food in the wild, not rubbish in the town....
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in In other news today...:
For one thing, I think the word that you're translating as "accident" is more closely related to "incident." The English phrase "incidental characteristics" matches up with how you're using it.
I was 'd on that but I can also confirm that in French the word is very much "accident" even though you could make about the same comment as you did (so it's not a translation issue).
Philosophers, like any specialised field, use their own jargon but what makes them extra-annoying (compared to e.g. hard sciences) is that their jargon is words that have a common meaning, but in their jargon they have a slightly different meaning.
Also, I thought that "the point" of being vegan is that you don't want use anything that caused an animal to suffer. There are people who don't eat meat for what they claim are health reasons, but that wouldn't extend to, e.g., a wool coat, right?
So, does the Eucharist cause Christ to suffer? Of course it does. The reason it works is that He suffered on the cross so that you may have eternal life.
I... think you've got things quite wrong here? I have never heard that taking the communion is causing Christ to suffer?
Christ suffered, yes, and did that for us and so on, but I don't think that at any point the communion was part of that suffering. It's about remembrance, it's about a covenant, it's about... communion, literally, but there isn't any suffering there.
So unless you're saying that vegans wouldn't eat (or use) anything that was related to one animal that suffered at one point in its life (regardless of whether the thing itself is related to that suffering), that doesn't really seem to hold here.
And if vegans really are about that (rather than avoiding things that caused/were part of the suffering) then you can remove the suffering from the equation entirely and simply call it "nothing related to an animal" because I don't think it's possible for any (animal|human) to never suffer at all during their life? From a cursory search, it seems there is no universally agreed definition of veganism in that regard -- for example some vegans won't eat honey (because bees in "industrial" hives are "exploited") whereas others will (because bees naturally produce honey).
But notably, I don't think vegans (or anyone else) have dietary requirements based on human suffering (in part because human suffering in its worst forms e.g. slavery is something we object on a higher level than just food! but also because we consider that humans can choose what they want and so if they're OK to suffer to produce whatever they do, it's their choice).
So that a human (=Christ) suffered during his life shouldn't be a barrier to vegans consuming him (though note we're circling back very close to cannibalism here, which obviously isn't what happens during communion). And besides, we're also back to the accidents/essence thing, where (in transubstantiation (and con- as well)) what the host takes is the essence of Christ and it's probably debatable whether that essence is human or not (whereas humanity is very clearly an accident of Christ... but since it's such a defining accident (by contrast with the other members of the trinity), perhaps humanity is part of Christ's essence?).
IIRC there is no strict rule about the frequency. I think you're supposed to get it at least once a year (for Easter) though even that may not be a hard-and-fast rule.
Catholics are obligated to attend Mass every "Sunday," with "Sunday" being defined as a 30-ish hour period that starts on Saturday evening and continues until midnight on actual Sunday. (In the US, at least, most parishes have one or two Saturday night Masses that count for Sunday Mass.)
Because it's the Mass, the priest will be doing the Liturgy of the Eucharist. Catholics who ought to be receiving Communion (i.e., they're actually a Catholic, they have already had their First Communion and they are not currently conscious of mortal sin) should receive Communion during the Mass. People who are not eligible for Communion will either not present themselves for Communion or will present themself to the priest (rather than a Eucharistic Minister) and signal to the priest that they should receive a blessing instead of the Eucharist.
There's a lot of "ought" and a few "must" in what you said (and all that is just the lettre of the law, with probably little consequences if you don't follow it exactly for reasonable practical reasons...).
I agree with you, but just for clarification: you must go to mass on every Sunday (Canon 1247). Note however that in case of "the absence of a sacred minister or for another grave cause" (Canon 1248), one can replace the mass by "a liturgy [...] in a parish church or other sacred place" or by "devot[ing] themselves to prayer for a suitable time."
This last part is, I assume, what allows faithfuls in e.g. rural France (see below) to fulfil the requirement.
As for communion, indeed nothing says you must take it during mass (though it's recommended, if you can, or at least strongly hinted that it should be the case). The only obligation is to take communion at least once per year (Canon 920), and it is recommended that this happens on Easter (though any other day can work).
The Church doesn't demand that lay people actually attend Daily Mass, but in the US every Catholic Church is open to the public for Daily Mass and there's usually a few members of the congregation who are there every day.
As I said, in France there are far fewer priests than churches and many village churches are either closed most of the time (though if you know the responsible person, usually you can get it more or less any day, but it's just like any other public building), or open during daytime but with no priest. Priests will go round the main churches in their parish every Sunday, and sometimes during the week as well but there is really no rule (they obviously try and alternate locations on Sundays according to how their congregation is split, but that's just a practical arrangement depending on all sorts of material constraints).
(in large cities there is normally a public mass everyday in e.g. cathedrals, but even that is not the rule -- though you can be sure that there is at least one on Sunday, sometimes even several at different times)
(ETA: all that is obviously because of the very large number of churches, far more than the number of faithfuls nowadays, and obviously is the reason why it's not the same in the US where the number of faithfuls is not the result of a huge decline compared to when churches were built!)
So many people simply cannot physically go to mass every Sunday. But in addition to "liturgy [...] in a parish church or other sacred place" (basically a mass but without a priest!), there are several ways you can watch mass on TV (or listen on radio) (i.e. to "devote themselves to prayer for a suitable time"). In these cases you obviously can't take communion during mass!
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Say what you like about Elon but this is the closest we've gotten to space lasers being a reality.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Say what you like about Elon
Thanks. Your permission is unneeded but appreciated.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Say what you dislike about Elon
There's a whole topic devoted to that.
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@HardwareGeek why does it need to be in the , when I can have perfectly legitimate, non-political reasons for disliking him?
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@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
@topspin said in In other news today...:
@BernieTheBernie not sure what’s the problem, just add cranberries.
Yes, they are tasty.
But still ... I prefer those which ate food in the wild, not rubbish in the town....About 200 Steps "left" their Christ was fully berry-fed.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Say what you like about Elon but this is the closest we've gotten to space lasers being a reality.
Wikipedia has a whole list of different projects with lasers in space.
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@cvi said in In other news today...:
@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Say what you like about Elon but this is the closest we've gotten to space lasers being a reality.
Wikipedia has a whole list of different projects with lasers in space.
If you want to settle for talking in space you can but I'm not going to be happy until we can use space lasers to force penguins into extinction.
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@DogsB what did the penguins ever do to you?
There, have a sad penguin.
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@Arantor what have the penguins ever done for me?
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@DogsB what did the penguins ever do to you?
There, have a sad penguin.
The have eyes like sharks. You get lost in them easily because they're hollow and try to suck the soul out of you. Magpies are the same.
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@DogsB I read this and thought, "That's one of the most @Gribnit things that anyone who isn't @Gribnit has posted." Sure enough, post has 1 upvote: @Gribnit.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@DogsB what did the penguins ever do to you?
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
Send data packet to phone. Crash phone (at least until reboot).
I didn't read the article, but typically a crash is the first step to finding an exploit
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@hungrier said in In other news today...:
I didn't read the article
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@HardwareGeek why does it need to be in the , when I can have perfectly legitimate, non-political reasons for disliking him?
I think the thread started with political criticism and evolved to broaden its scope to general-purpose Elon — and especially Tesla — bashing.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@HardwareGeek why does it need to be in the , when I can have perfectly legitimate, non-political reasons for disliking him?
Do you? Because this experiment has failed in the past.