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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@DogsB said in In other news today...:
If I wasn't so busy researching mustache grooming I would burn this forum to the ground.
Thank heaven for small miracles.
On the flip side if this were burned to the ground, neither admins nor mods would have to do anything. Like in action.
Well... I'm sure as shit not burning shit to the ground. In fact, I'm going to post dog photos in the cat thread. Behold the petty turmoil I'll create.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
If I wasn't so busy researching mustache grooming I would burn this forum to the ground.
I'm sure we have a thread for that...
edit: I mean the burning.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
the only fighting I’m doing over scones is getting mine before everyone else eats them all.
I never realized there's a dispute about the order in which one puts cream and jam on scones; I never paid any attention to it. The only thing I'm doing over them is lamenting the fact that I can't eat them; the idea of gluten free, sugar free scones seems quite unsatisfactory.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@DogsB said in In other news today...:
If I wasn't so busy researching mustache grooming I would burn this forum to the ground.
Thank heaven for small miracles.
On the flip side if this were burned to the ground, neither admins nor mods would have to do anything. Like in action.
Well... I'm sure as shit not burning shit to the ground. In fact, I'm going to post dog photos in the cat thread. Behold the petty turmoil I'll create.
Just be careful in the Otter thread. Those guys are mean.
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Convicted sex buyer charges parlor: "Abused and violated"
"Even if masturbation was performed on me it doesn't matter if I enjoyed it or not. I was in an extremely powerless situation and experienced psychological terror because I came in good faith for primarily medicinal massage to then be abused and violated." the man writes in his charges.
: Then why did you return 12 more times?
: I don't know. I need to find it in myself, I have done wrong and that I admit.
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@Atazhaia said in In other news today...:
I came in good faith
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Only $199 for a battery!
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@DogsB No wheels?
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Only $199 for a battery!
But you'll need the extended upgrade case if you want to put the googles and extra battery in it. For only an extra $199!
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Only $199 for a battery!
You will need an adapter for the low price of only $499
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Only $199 for a battery!
You will need an adapter for the low price of only $499
AC adapter?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other news today...:
@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
@DogsB said in In other news today...:
Only $199 for a battery!
You will need an adapter for the low price of only $499
AC adapter?
Don't give them ideas ffs
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@Arantor Why not? I also want to be a rich fuck
Eh, crap, they're gonna steal it anyway, aren't they?
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@Applied-Mediocrity because they're not going to give you any money for it. They'll say they invented it and claim it's magical and revolutionary.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@Applied-Mediocrity because they're not going to give you any money for it. They'll say they invented it and claim it's magical and revolutionary.
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@Applied-Mediocrity we really are in the worst timeline, aren't we?
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@Applied-Mediocrity we really are in the worst timeline, aren't we?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other news today...:
@Arantor Why not? I also want to be a rich fuck
Eh, crap, they're gonna steal it anyway, aren't they?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other news today...:
@Arantor Why not? I also want to be a rich fuck
Eh, crap, they're gonna
stealinnovate it anyway, aren't they?
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@Applied-Mediocrity we really are in the worst timeline, aren't we?
Which answer to that question would make you feel better?
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other news today...:
@Arantor Why not? I also want to be a rich fuck
Eh, crap, they're gonna
stealinnovate it anyway, aren't they?
Maybe we should just make that a verb...
Eh, crap, they're gonna it anyway, aren't they?
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@Applied-Mediocrity we really are in the worst timeline, aren't we?
Which answer to that question would make you feel better?
It was mostly rhetorical, but if I were to play that game, answering yes is just “ah shit, oh well, time to get on it with” and no is pure territory.
The third answer of “there are no other timelines” is just sad because it pisses on the Cheerios of all those who believe in a deity or deities, with “and this is the best your god could come up with, huh”.
My wife has recently rebuked me for turning into an old man moaning about things. I feel this is relevant to this conversation.
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Psychedelic mushrooms came to existence some 67 million years ago, a paper in PNAS informs us:
https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2311245121
That's when the dinosaurs went extinct.
:dinosaur:
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
turning into an old man moaning about things
I was born that way
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
My wife has recently rebuked me for turning into an old man moaning
Mine doesn't mind as long as she has her own fair share of moaning.
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*briefly checks slashdot*
Palworld Embroiled [...]
OK, wtf is Palworld and why have I seen it mentioned half a dozen times in the past few days?
*briefly reads on and checks a few screenshots*
Oh.
That one deserved a 202x update.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
I spotted this yesterday but waiting to see what the offical word is.
The Dutch model sounds hilarious.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
The Dutch model sounds hilarious.
The 27% is the same as external payment methods in the US, although the whole excluding tax in NL thing does add an additional level of malicious compliance hilarity.
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Oof.
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@DogsB I wonder how many end users will actually bother.
Most of the Apple folk I know aren't going to touch things outside the store because they'd rather stick to what's inside the store - the story is almost universally one of 'I trust Apple to review things' which we all know is questionable at best, but the consensus view is that they'd rather have something that at least pretends to be vetted and above board than the perceived free-for-all that is Android.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
malicious compliance
I don’t see how that‘s compliance at all. It’s basically a second Apple App Store with higher fees and the same restrictions.
I guess it’s a form of playing for time until this gets smacked down.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
malicious compliance
I don’t see how that‘s compliance at all.
Apple were told to allow external payments in the App Store in The Netherlands and they did. How is that not compliance?
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@loopback0 is it external payment if you have to pay Apple 27%?
I thought it was about allowing an external App Store, not external payment inside Apple’s store.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 is it external payment if you have to pay Apple 27%?
The payment isn't processed by Apple, and they graciously don't charge the developer 3% for processing the payment.
Is it in the spirit of the ruling? Of course not. It wouldn't be malicious compliance if it was.I thought it was about allowing an external App Store, not external payment inside Apple’s store.
The post you quoted was referring to Apple allowing external payments in the Dutch Apple App Store as mentioned in TFA @DogsB linked.
Apple charges a 27% commission on in-app purchases made through alternative payment systems in the Netherlands, a capability that was initially triggered by a Dutch regulatory ruling. This is just three percent lower than its default fee, but unlike Apple's commission, it does not include tax, making the net total more than Apple's fee for most developers.
They complied with that. Maliciously.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@DogsB I wonder how many end users will actually bother.
Most of the Apple folk I know aren't going to touch things outside the store because they'd rather stick to what's inside the store - the story is almost universally one of 'I trust Apple to review things' which we all know is questionable at best, but the consensus view is that they'd rather have something that at least pretends to be vetted and above board than the perceived free-for-all that is Android.
I'm dubious about the amount of people who will actually use this too. If there was any way to measure it I would like to know how many people have android and don't use the Google Store or even sideload apps.
I'm actually kind of at a loss at what to do with an Apple phone that can sideload besides emulation and piracy. Make development and testing easier? These apps are going to be sandboxed in, if Apple has any sense, so it's not like you could do much of interest.
*edit
They're opening the browser engine and allowing other streaming apps too. Maybe epic and fortnite cutting Apple out of the pie but losing the app store icon would probably cause more harm than good there.
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@DogsB even side loading isn’t entirely impossible if it’s actually in the App Store. Requires a bit of finesse to make happen though. Or at least it did.
E.g. a few years ago I had some reason to try WhatsApp, but did not have an Apple phone at the time. I did however have an iPad. The WA app did not work at all on iPad according to the store, and the store would not let me download it to the iPad.
And yet through iTunes and some developer finagling, I was able to get the thing on the iPad without jailbreaking (basically abusing iTunes backups) to get the binary onto the device. It didn’t work, but that was because it tested for “did someone put it on an iPad anyway”, not because of side loading shenanigans.
This was before TestFlight so maybe this avenue is no more.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
They're opening the browser engine
Are they? I thought they were just making it easier to change the default browser, not that it's particularly difficult anyway.
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@loopback0 they’ve basically been told they have to permit it because just changing the browser otherwise is functionally meaningless from a competition standpoint, as in “we can’t differentiate ourselves enough because we have to use their starting point” is Google’s lamentation.
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@DogsB said in In other news today...:
I'm actually kind of at a loss at what to do with an Apple phone that can sideload besides emulation and piracy. Make development and testing easier? These apps are going to be sandboxed in, if Apple has any sense, so it's not like you could do much of interest.
I'm perfectly fine with the walled garden for small apps from small publishers (or cheap apps from big publishers, for that matter). If I have to pay €1.30 instead of €1.00, or €6.50 instead of €5.00, the convenience and safety of all of that is worth it.
But if I, theoretically, wanted to buy some Adobe stuff for €500 or purchase a subscription for some service, I sure as heck don't intend to spend 30% more just so that Apple can get richer.Besides that, I am also not a fan of Apple's completely arbitrary enforcement of its policies what content is allowed and what isn't. E.g., porn is fine on Twitter or some other platforms, it certainly doesn't have content blockers on WhatsApp, but some other apps get the ban hammer for just showing a bit of skin without being actually explicit. (From what I've read, the appeals process is one step above Google's "Appeal?? No humans work here!")
Besides, they ship a browser, so the whole thing is completely moot.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@DogsB even side loading isn’t entirely impossible if it’s actually in the App Store. Requires a bit of finesse to make happen though. Or at least it did.
E.g. a few years ago I had some reason to try WhatsApp, but did not have an Apple phone at the time. I did however have an iPad. The WA app did not work at all on iPad according to the store, and the store would not let me download it to the iPad.
And yet through iTunes and some developer finagling, I was able to get the thing on the iPad without jailbreaking (basically abusing iTunes backups) to get the binary onto the device. It didn’t work, but that was because it tested for “did someone put it on an iPad anyway”, not because of side loading shenanigans.
This was before TestFlight so maybe this avenue is no more.
Whatsapp accounts are linked to your phone number, thus it will not work on a device which does not have a sim card slot. You'd likely get a similar error on an iphone without sim installed as you got on the ipad.
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@PleegWat and yet my iPad has a SIM and a phone number. The error I got was specifically “this does not work on an iPad” and was the most basic unstyled error going. (Not a native one.)
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@PleegWat and yet my iPad has a SIM and a phone number.
Also there's a Windows and a macOS app, and Whatsapp Web.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
But if I, theoretically, wanted to buy some Adobe stuff for €500 or purchase a subscription for some service, I sure as heck don't intend to spend 30% more just so that Apple can get richer.
How do they (=Apple) deal with the the whole "cloud app" (=our app is a glorified webpage) idea? Or can a company like Adobe have a subscription for their products and still provide native apps, except you need to login with your Adobe ID whatever thing?
It's a bit tangential, but I've wondered occasionally.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@Arantor said in In other news today...:
@PleegWat and yet my iPad has a SIM and a phone number.
Also there's a Windows and a macOS app, and Whatsapp Web.
Those are pretty recent though, and they're still linked to a phone number.
I didn't know about ipads with sim slots.