TIL transrace is possible.
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They fail to realize that, identifying as black is not what she did. She lied about being black, when being black conveyed an advantage in the course of her objectives.
And then she proceeded to take advantage of blacks by occupying an opportunity that was reserved for a black person.
What she did, and it's successful because people are stupid sheep and have no long term memory, was change the narrative and focus the conversation on transrace, playing another victim category entirely.
My god people, they all might as well have sticks up their ass.
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You know, in my day, people knew it if they were dumb.
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They fail to realize that, identifying as black is not what she did
Sure she did. She did other stuff, too.
And then she proceeded to take advantage of blacks by occupying an opportunity that was reserved for a black person.
So what? Remember: "People are what they say they are?" or whatever it was, exactly, that @blakeyrat said that everyone agreed with? Why is that not correct here?
Fuckin' A....just tell me what I'm supposed to believe for the Party already so I don't get chased by the torch and pitchfork crowd already.
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So, now blacks have no problem with a white person taking opportunities reserved for black people, as long as the person believes really hard that they are black.
How are we going to define racism now.
Being discriminatory to someone who identifies as another race?
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But of course, having technology as an equalizer force, means that the whole discussion is pointless, because none of this is valid anymore.
Right, so trying to ignore that in the discussion is counter-productive.
And none of this says whether gender roles or wrong or not.
I'd say that it's pretty conclusive to anyone sane that saying gender roles are wrong is silly. Biological imperatives still exist, and they are likely to continue to exist as long as there is such a thing as a human species. We have an urge to procreate. Things like maternal and paternal instincts are by large part dictated by biology as well, hormones in particular.
Any deviation from traditional gender roles is just a side-effect of the fact that our society is stable enough to absorb the disadvantages.
Exactly. So, since the society can absorb that we as a species can afford to allow anyone to identify as whichever gender they like. I mean, in a free society at least, this is a biological imperative as well, most likely a result of atypical neurochemistry. It doesn't harm anyone, and sooner we all recognize this it's going to be a better world for everyone.
I respect all people equally no matter their sex, gender, sexual orientation or whatever the fuck else people want to categorize themselves as. I don't even freaking care 99% of the time, because 99% of the time that categorization doesn't affect me nor anyone else around me in any meaningful way.
Fuckin' A....just tell me what I'm supposed to believe for the Party already so I don't get chased by the torch and pitchfork crowd already.
No dice. Even though the last paragraph I wrote up there is my honest view of the world, I still found places where some of my beliefs were considered offensive.
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So, now blacks have no problem with a white person taking opportunities reserved for black people, as long as the person believes really hard that they are black.
Did you forget the two minute hate against people who remembered when Caitlyn was Bruce?
No dice. Even though the last paragraph I wrote up there is my honest view of the world, I still found places where some of my beliefs were considered offensive.
Of course. But only some people's taking offense matters. Mainly the people who will commit some form of violence against you.
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we as a species can afford to allow anyone to identify as whichever gender they like
For the sake of this argument, I'm going to ignore marriage, because the government should not even need to recognize who is married at all.
I haven't seen a whole lot of not allowing going on. I don't see cops trying to find out our resident transgenders identities out so they can arrest them. (That mostly happens in certain theocracies that still exist).
I've seen a whole lot of, I don't like that you do that, and I don't want to be forced to participate in it.
It doesn't harm anyone, and sooner we all recognize this it's going to be a better world for everyone.
Forced participation harms people.
I honestly don't care if two guys get married, but I don't want to be forced to attend just because I happen to work in a particular line of business.
I respect all people equally no matter their sex, gender, sexual orientation or whatever the fuck else people want to categorize themselves as.
I do too. I'm just blessed to not work in an industry where I have to participate in their culture. Just like there are blacks that are blessed to not have to participate in redneck culture.
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Fuckin' A....just tell me what I'm supposed to believe for the Party already so I don't get chased by the torch and pitchfork crowd already.
I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it if I were you.
[spoiler]You're going to get chased by the torch and pitchfork crowd sooner or later regardless. #wreckyourprivilege[/spoiler]
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I guess this answers my previous question (CBA to find it an link):
That seems...suspect. Especially so given the source.
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I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it if I were you.
But it's such a great concern troll opportunity!
You're going to get chased by the torch and pitchfork crowd sooner or later regardless. #wreckyourprivilege
Absolutely.
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@boomzilla said:
I guess this answers my previous question (CBA to find it an link):
That seems...suspect. Especially so given the source.
How so? I wondered what the Progressive consensus was. MSNBC seems like as good a source as any for that.
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You're going to get chased by the torch and pitchfork crowd sooner or later regardless. #wreckyourprivilege
That's because closer examination of history shows that the torch and pitchfork crowd is rarely representative, and usually contains the least educated.
See China cultural revolution, Russian transition to communism, fall of democracy in Rome, red scare in America, etc.
The only thing that changed was now the new pitchfork crowd doesn't realize they aren't actually educated.
"I'm cultural, I've eaten sushi" ... and I'm sure it had lots of cream cheese and avocado.
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MSNBC seems like as good a source as any for that.
That is a rat answer. You know I meant your link to dailysurge.com.
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Forced participation harms people.
I honestly don't care if two guys get married, but I don't want to be forced to attend just because I happen to work in a particular line of business.
So... you don't want to go to work at a place you don't like or next to people you don't like?
You poor sensitive flower. You never worked on-site at a client location, have you?
I do too. I'm just blessed to not work in an industry where I have to participate in their culture.
I guess I'm blessed too, then, because you're starting to sound like a proper jerk, despite your claims about not being one.
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So what? Remember: "People are what they say they are?" or whatever it was, exactly, that @blakeyrat said that everyone agreed with? Why is that not correct here?
People are what they say they are.
The problem with her situation was the blatant lie, saying that her father was not her father.
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You never worked on-site at a client location,
I've never attended a marriage ceremony at an on-site client location.
Just like I've never attended Catholic mass at one either.
proper jerk
If I'm a jerk for not wanting to be forced to attend a ritual/ceremony I don't want to engage in, then I'm a jerk.
I'm sure everyone would like their child being forced to attend a prayer session at elementary school. So, we're all jerks.
But I'm sure you'll find some way that one ceremony isn't the same as the other.
Again, I don't discriminate against people. I work with all kinds of people just fine. I just don't want to participate in their ceremonies.
I know, I can come up to your desk and start doing a line dance and grab you by the arm and make you dance with us. Then I can play the fiddle while the group gathers around a bon-fire and sings camp songs about Jesus.
Last time I checked, none of that was necessary for my job.
I guess I'm blessed I don't have a boss that does that either.
Or forces me to face towards Mecca.
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I've never attended a marriage ceremony at an on-site client location.
I honestly don't care if two guys get married, but I don't want to be forced to attend just because I happen to work in a particular line of business.
So...
Just like I've never attended Catholic mass at one either.
I did for the first time since I was a child when my friend was getting married. Because it was, you know, my friend getting married.
I'm sure everyone would like their child being forced to attend a prayer session at elementary school. So, we're all jerks.
Does not compute. This is not a professional engagement.
But I'm sure you'll find some way that one ceremony isn't the same as the other.
Compute. Does not. What are you expecting, human sacrifice?
I know, I can come up to your desk and start doing a line dance and grab you by the arm and make you dance with us. Then I can play the fiddle while the group gathers around a bon-fire and sings camp songs about Jesus.
Last time I checked, none of that was necessary for my job.
I guess I'm blessed I don't have a boss that does that either.
Or forces me to face towards Mecca.
Nurse, did @xaade miss his meds again? His paranoid delusions are back.
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This is not a professional engagement.
But catering is.
Because it was, you know, my friend getting married.
Great, I'm glad you chose of your own free will.
His paranoid delusions are back.
Everyone, you need to participate and give a little to help provide a gift for John and Mike's wedding. Remember, we are a diverse workplace.
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But catering is.
Would you please stop moving the damned goalposts then? So that's being on-site at client location, yes? In that case I refer you to:
You poor sensitive flower.
I'd trade going to a wedding any day instead of some of the shit I did. Spoilers: it involved actual shit at times.
Everyone, you need to participate and give a little to help provide a gift for John and Mike's wedding. Remember, we are a diverse workplace.
So... you're fine with them getting married but you don't want to buy a present for them now. There was no participating in the ceremony mentioned, either.
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fine with them getting married but you don't want to buy a present for them now
I think you're confusing tolerance of behavior and support of behavior.
I'd trade going to a wedding any day instead of some of the shit I did.
I'm glad you are exercising your free will.
You poor sensitive flower.
We don't get to choose which sites we serve now?
I don't understand why one group gets a choice and other doesn't.
So that's being on-site at client location, yes?
Which is why I'll never participate in a service industry, because people will leverage civil rights to force me to participate in something I don't want to, at which point I'd have to just shut down my business in order to exercise my rights.
"No, it's not because you're [protected group]. It's because I don't want to cater your wedding in a jungle."
There's a big difference in servicing a person of a different culture group, like performing heart surgery on them, or fixing their car, and having to perform a service that occurs during a ceremony.
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@boomzilla said:
MSNBC seems like as good a source as any for that.
That is a rat answer. You know I meant your link to dailysurge.com.
Oh. I'd never heard of dailysurge.com before I saw that link.
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People are what they say they are.
The problem with her situation was the blatant lie, saying that her father was not her father.
But who her father is isn't who she is.
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I don't understand why one group gets a choice and other doesn't.
Like the family who named their kid Adolf Hitler and then the supermarket that wouldn't make a cake for him. And that was OK.
I mean, I'm not confused that Progressivism is about rationality or anything other than a will to power. But the cognitive dissonance is amusing.
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Like the family who named their kid Adolf Hitler and then the supermarket that wouldn't make a cake for him. And that was OK.
Because there wasn't a protected category involved.
As if the kid had a choice in their name.Maybe the kid should have said they were born that way.
But again, any counter example is going to involve "hate speech", as if targeting a particular group that doesn't want to participate in your ceremony and forcing them to by using a civil rights argument, isn't "hate speech".
Yeah, they hate me.... but that's not hate speech, they were born hating me.
Both sides hate me.
Because of what I have to deal with, and because I choose not to participate in it.
To me, it would be like an alcoholic being forced to attend a wedding where there was wine in everything.
Or forcing a vegan to participate in a wedding where they serve beef. I'm totally ok with a vegan saying, "I don't want to be the photographer in this wedding. You are murdering a cow".
I can't turn to people like me and say, I deal with this. I'll be crucified.
I also can't turn to other people that live like that and say, I deal with this and choose not to be it. I'll be crucified.But I'm the bigot.
So pardon me if I say, I don't want to participate.
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But who her father is isn't who she is.
Well thanks for that, Mr. Truism. And George Bush Jr. isn't who I am.
How is it relevant? At all?
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@boomzilla said:
But who her father is isn't who she is.
Well thanks for that, Mr. Truism. And George Bush Jr. isn't who I am.
How is it relevant? At all?
Not sure, but I think he's being sarcastic, saying that the new political correct shouldn't be concerned about how she lied about who her father is, because that has nothing to do with who she says SHE IS.
Of course, that's exactly the reaction we are seeing.
Me: "But she lied"
Others: "Who cares, this is about transracialism, and she should be able to choose to identify as black."
Me: "That's great, but that's not what happened."
Others: "What happened? Transracialismsism!!!!"ooohhhh... intersectionality is screwed as shit now
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How is it relevant? At all?
You're the one who brought it up. What am I, a mind reader?
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"Who am I? My brother's keeper"
"Dude... there's the blood on the ground. I'm not blind"I guess this answers my previous question (CBA to find it an link):
Yeah, no one gives a shit.
and now it doesn't matter that she lied.
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Because of what I have to deal with, and because I choose not to participate in it.
To me, it would be like an alcoholic being forced to attend a wedding where there was wine in everything.
I'm going to drop this now because I remembered something I saw, but not sure if it was a protected category and I don't want to add any comments in a public one, just in case.
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You're the one who brought it up.
I brought up "she's the same person as her father through some kind of strange mad scientist experiment". Right. That sounds like something I'd type. I just don't remember doing it, obviously.
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@boomzilla said:
You're the one who brought it up.
I brought up "she's the same person as her father through some kind of strange mad scientist experiment". Right. That sounds like something I'd type. I just don't remember doing it, obviously.
saying that her father was not her father.
the new political correct
shouldn't beisn't concerned about how she lied about who her father isThat's his point.
So she lied. It doesn't prohibit her from choosing who to be.
Of course, you are saying that her problem has nothing to do with who she chooses to be.
But @boomzilla is playing devil's advocate here. He's not making a real argument.
He's just parroting the political correct crowd.
Who is defending her lie by saying she can choose who to be.
So, if john murders his wife and then covers it up by saying he couldn't have done it because he is gay and wouldn't have married a woman. The political correct answer is to tell the judge, "What, you're saying he can't choose to be gay."
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I just don't remember doing it, obviously.
Who do you think mentioned her father first in here?
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But @boomzilla is playing devil's advocate here. He's not making a real argument.
Hang on. The current wisdom is the people are who / what they say they are. But some people are saying there's a difference between trans-sexual and trans-racial and I'm trying to understand why these people are so intolerant.
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Jesus.
Look, the whole reason ANY of this is in the news is because her PARENTS got sick and tired of her telling lies about who her parents were. And they told the press. And then the press had a newsgasm because they saw it as a race relations issue when it's really not-- it's a "nobody like a liar" issue.
Being white (however you define "being white") doesn't disqualify you from a position in the NAACP organization. Being a liar does.
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Ok, to clear this up.
You guys are arguing two different non-mutually-exclusive points.
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You did a bad job of typesetting "blakeyrat".
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, Boomzilla's arguing complete gibberish. I only came into this thread because he sent me a notification telling me to, then he replies with that mad scientist shit.
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I put blakey at first, then put boomzilla, then said "Wait, that's not balanced".
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Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, Boomzilla's arguing complete gibberish.
I'll agree that you haven't understood what you've read here.
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Well then erase the "blakey" and type out the full name properly instead of doing a half-added job!
You are THIS CLOSE to getting shitcanned!
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You are THIS CLOSE to getting shitcanned!
Probably true if I keep making all these bitmaps.
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Hang on. The current wisdom is the people are who / what they say they are. But some people are saying there's a difference between trans-sexual and trans-racial and I'm trying to understand why these people are so intolerant.
as far as i can tell no one here has said that there is a difference , so who are you arguing/asking anyway? Unless it's xaade, because i cant tell wtf he's going on about.
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