Java and system32
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also refusing to accept your assertion that it's hyperbole. because reasons that are every bit as valid as yours for hating Java
What the fuck are you talking about? What assertion? I can't even get close to parsing this.
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Ooh, bad move, you just lost your bystander status...
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What the fuck are you talking about? I can't even get close to parsing this.
Your assertion that this forum contains a billion things that show Java is bad software. I showed that that's a bit ridiculous.
i then anticipated your next reaction (possibly incorrectly) would be to play the hyperbole to make a point card. I therefore preemptively rejected that argument for the reason listed.
Ooh, bad move, you just lost your bystander status...
maybe, but this is fun too.
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I dunno if posting gibberish really counts as participating.
i then anticipated your next reaction (possibly incorrectly) would be to play the hyperbole to make a point card. I therefore preemptively rejected that argument for the reason listed.
You were responding to a hypothetical Blakeyrat? You people need medication.
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a hypothetical Blakeyrat?
More like an Extrapolated Blakeyrat
You people need medication.
I'm 100% positive you are not medically qualified to make that diagnosis.
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I'm not going to have the same fucking pedantic dickweed debate every fucking day. UAC being turned on is the default, I don't give a shit what you think because what you think is fucking wrong. And you know it's wrong. And you're only making this pedantic dickweed "well you're not really Administrator" argument to score forumpointzz.
I don't understand why you think this supports your point and not @flabdablet's.
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Are you sure you don't want to install the Ask Toolbar? Because I am convinced it's the Ask Toolbar installer accidently packaged with Java.
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I don't understand why you think this supports your point and not @flabdablet's.
I suspect that Blakey's about 30° out of phase with reality.
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I suspect that Blakey's about 30° out of phase with reality.
Is that Fahrenheit or Celsius?
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How about TRWTFing Java Control Panel actually works as intended and you can select the Java version you want there.
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Is that Fahrenheit or Celsius?
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correction
I suspect that Blakey's about half a radian out of phase with reality.
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My main gripe with JDK is that I need it for work (linux box), I need a real JDK and not this openjdk/icedtea/whatever garbage, and that's no longer in the ubuntu repos. And java is a requirement for the distribution metapackage. So I am stuck with 3 java installations, only 2 of which are seeing actual use, and manual messing-about to get the right one. But at least I do not have to deal with an installation/updater program - all you get on linux is a tarball.
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I suspect that Blakey's about half a radian out of phase with reality.
That doesn't even make sense, @accalia.
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I need a real JDK and not this openjdk/icedtea/whatever garbage, and that's no longer in the ubuntu repos.
Real Oracle Java? That's actually a fairly unusual requirement since Java 7. With 6 and below, you really did want to stick to the Sun distribution — the others were all “interestingly” broken in various ways — but that's not been true since OpenJDK 7 came out. Heck, it's virtually the same codebase as the Oracle distribution (except for a few things in font handling on HighDPI screens, alas).
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How about TRWTFing Java Control Panel actually works as intended and you can select the Java version you want there.
I quite like the way LibreOffice deals with this: the choice of which Java version you want it to use, if you have more than one installed, is an application option. Because there's nothing in the Great Book of Rules that says all applications are going to end up tripping over the same Oracle bugs.
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Is this why UAC interrupts what I'm doing to ask if I want Java to update, but then when I accept, it just pops up a notification balloon telling me that an update is available and that I should click to install?
That's a separate, though equally dumb, issue.
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/me waves at accalia
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/me waves confusedly back
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http://www.selby.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/phases.jpg
I'm still not sure what that has to do with motorbikes.
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Waves half a radian out of phase: a little behind, and slightly to the left.
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...ubuntu repos...But at least I do not have to deal with an installation/updater program - all you get on linux is a tarball.
This PPA is your friend if you need java on Ubuntu derived distros:
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I'm still not sure what that has to do with motorbikes.
Are you confusing radians with radials?
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I'm still not sure what that has to do with motorbikes.
I tyre of your nonsencycle jokes.
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I tyre of your nonsencycle jokes.
He probably misspoke.
I can Harley keep up with your wit here.
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Let me axel you a question? Are you the Michelin Man?
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The thing I hate about PPAs is at some point they get abandoned, then over time you keep adding them. Then you finally look at your PPA list and just have a blob of them and don't know which to delete because there's no descriptive meta data and thus you must visit each site individually.
But it's a minor annoyance.
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The thing I hate about PPAs is at some point they get abandoned, then over time you keep adding them. Then you finally look at your PPA list and just have a blob of them and don't know which to delete because there's no descriptive meta data and thus you must visit each site individually.
But it's a minor annoyance.
What does this have to do with motorcycles?
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You can always explicitly run the one you want by full pathname, too.
In that case you don't even need to install Java. Download the JRE *.tar.gz for Windows, extract it, done.
Filed under: It's not a source tarball.
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>delfinom:
The thing I hate about PPAs is at some point they get abandoned, then over time you keep adding them. Then you finally look at your PPA list and just have a blob of them and don't know which to delete because there's no descriptive meta data and thus you must visit each site individually.
But it's a minor annoyance.What does this have to do with motorcycles?
LMGTFY.
PPA Announces Pilot Program for Scooter, Motorcycle Parking
"We do not feel this is a complete solution," the Coalition's statement
reads. "We look forward to working toward a solution that works for
everyone involved."
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What "problem" does putting java.exe there solve, exactly?
My guess: There's no well-defined way to add things to PATH for all users (existing and future) during installation, so putting the exe in a known directory (which all users have in their PATH) is the next best thing.
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I went off to google a well defined way but found something better.
The guy was trying to use Environment variables as interprocess communication. i.e. you wanteD(and possibly made it) so that a C# app constantly updated an environment variable for the C++ app to read.... His response in http://stackoverflow.com/a/2279490 implies he used the registry functions Facepalm
In other news, you can use the registry to set the system environment variables, so there is totally a well defined way to update PATH.
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My guess: There's no well-defined way to add things to PATH for all users (existing and future) during installation, so putting the exe in a known directory (which all users have in their PATH) is the next best thing
Windows Installer includes this functionality.
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you can use the registry to set the system environment variables, so there is totally a well defined way to update PATH.
But that didn't work for Windows 98 (you had to reboot to make system-wide environment changes take effect) and since Windows 98 compatibility seems to be the fundamental design principle for the Java installer, it's obviously off the table.
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But that didn't work for Windows 98 (you had to reboot to make system-wide environment changes take effect) and since Windows 98 compatibility seems to be the fundamental design principle for the Java installer, it's obviously off the table.
Now I can't tell if you are defending Java or mocking it.
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You're American, aren't you.
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What kind of person do you have to be to defend Java? I didn't even realize that such people existed!
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What kind of person do you have to be to defend Java? I didn't even realize that such people existed!
The hundreds of poor souls churned out of Computer Science majors in the U.S. knowing only Java?
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And overseas. I went to uni in NZ, primarily learning Java.
I'm so glad I escaped.
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What kind of person do you have to be to defend Java? I didn't even realize that such people existed!
I met a person that defended Lotus Notes. I'm still in therapy.