Court reporter fined for courting reporting in court reporting.
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http://bulletsfirst.net/2014/10/09/company-fires-employee-gun-home/
Not for bringing it to work--although in the state in which he lives, that's legal if you leave it locked in your car--but for owning one and keeping it at home.
This guy's gonna win a crapton[1] of money in several years.
Huh--that got oneboxed. I thought oneboxing required a site to be whitelisted.
[1] craptonne for you Brits.
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Ninjaed the title, although it was funnier the way I originally wrote it.
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You can't Hanzo us all.
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TIL "hoplophobe"
I shall begin using this now.
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And this has to do with technology exactly what?
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And this has to do with technology exactly what?
Are you actually trying to topic police?
Come see the violence inherent in the system!
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I see. What this forum needs is an ignore function for moronic, trollish topics.
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From your "contributions" to this thread I can bet I know your feelings about guns.
I bet you think English electrical plugs are just the niftiest thing, too.
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I see. What this forum needs is an ignore function for moronic, trollish topics.
Totally. Like the dude who disabled all his UAC stuff.
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From your "contributions" to this thread I can bet I know your feelings about guns.
I bet you think English electrical plugs are just the niftiest thing, too.
Well, you're wrong. Twice, even. But if you cared to enlighten us as to your opinions about my supposed feelings and thoughts, I could probably rip you a new one because you've yet to show at least the promise of some higher brain functions.
The thing is that political topics are not exactly a good fit for a website aimed straightly at technological issues.
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http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/f-111s-are-sexy/1092
http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/feudalism/1993
We seem to have survived topics about much more controversial political topics so far.
I think you're just being a scaredy cat.
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The thing is that political topics are not exactly a good fit for a website aimed straightly at technological issues.
Bah...
Because more things make us ask WTF than just code.
We've always put stuff that are WTFs here, though most of them have had some technical aspect.
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I'm not exactly sure where one gets this "scared" or "frightened" part from for simply suggesting that a topic might be considered not so fitting?
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I'm not exactly sure where one gets this "scared" or "frightened" part from for simply suggesting that a topic might be considered not so fitting?
That's how we talk about stuff these days, e.g., islamophobia, homophobia. You're getting too hung up on the meaning of words (trust me, it's a subject I know a lot about).
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That's how we talk about stuff these days, e.g., islamophobia, homophobia.
You missed a chance to use "hoplophobia" again.
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You missed a chance to use "hoplophobia" again.
But that's actually an irrational fear, so it doesn't fit.
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That's how we talk about stuff these days, e.g., islamophobia, homophobia. You're getting too hung up on the meaning of words (trust me, it's a subject I know a lot about).
That may be so. I'm still waiting on FrostCat's notions about my opinions, though, and what he thinks he can infer from my postings...
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Side Bar: Because more things make us ask WTF than just code.
There's no rule, written or unwritten, that things have to be about technology around here.
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>Side Bar: Because more things make us ask WTF than just code.
There's no rule, written or unwritten, that things have to be about technology around here. In fact...
Oh, it's the letter of the law argument
And as to the "unwritten part", I guess I must've read the website's title wrong.
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WTDWTF != forums.TDWTF != TDWTF's comment section != TDWTF
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Oh, it's the letter of the law argument
Surely you weren't expecting a different one? Ninja'ed: "You Must Be New HereTM"
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I was expecting an answer to my question, actually?
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I mean, we've always talked about this stuff here. But yes, I dislike most of those threads where people say stupid things about stuff too. Which leads us to the second point:
What this forum needs is an ignore function for moronic, trollish topics.
Good news, it sort-of has one! Right here in the bottom where it says "tracking", you can select "muted". Sadly it will still show up in the main list but it won't have those gray and blue bubbles next to it so you can ignore it more easily.
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It's based on your fear of people doing slightly dangerous things and my assumptions that you're English and that English people seem to be afraid of guns.
You are welcome to claim any or all of those things aren't true.
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The thing is that political topics are not exactly a good fit for a website aimed straightly at technological issues.
Then it's a good thing we're posting here instead.
Filed under: you're not the boss of us
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Out of curiosity, in the strictest sense - is it even legal to fire somebody for owning a gun? How does that fall against the 'right to bear arms'
Seems like a corporate lawsuit wet dream.
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We should stay away from religion, too. You know how the vim-heads get when their ginger ale is off.
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is it even legal to fire somebody for owning a gun?
It's a private company, and as long as it's an at-will state, they can fire you for whatever they want other than the handful of "Protected Classes"
Guns are not a protected class.
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Out of curiosity, in the strictest sense - is it even legal to fire somebody for owning a gun?
I suppose it depends on how seriously you (and your state) take "at will" employment.
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I understand about at-will
But the problem is this actually directly goes against (one could argue) a national protected right.
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It's based on your fear of people doing slightly dangerous things and my assumptions that you're English and that English people seem to be afraid of guns.
You are welcome to claim any or all of those things aren't true.
I'm not "claiming" anything, you've just shown that you still haven't gained the intellectual capacity to understand that I don't like people doing slightly dangerous things when I'm responsible for said people doing said things.
Especially when those slightly dangerous things aren't really worthwhile in the grand scheme of lesson topics.
Just to clarify if... err, when you miss it again: There's a conditional in there. See this word "when"?
And my nationality? Dead wrong.
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(one could argue) a national protected right.
Doesnt' mean shit.
They can fire you for smoking weed even in the 2 states where it is legal. If your company says you will be fired for doing X, you probably don't want to do X unless you feel liked getting fired.
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You know how the vim-heads get when their ginger ale is off.
Yes, I used to be one of them, then I found the one true faith (Emacs).
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Then it's a good thing we're posting here instead.
Filed under: you're not the boss of us
Okay, okay, I get it. Geeze.
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WTDWTF != forums.TDWTF != TDWTF's comment section != TDWTF
Well, if you changed the order of that a little ...
WTDWTF == TDWTF's comment section != forums.TDWTF !=TDWTF
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I'm responsible for said people doing said things.
How are you responsible for what those people do?
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How are you responsible for what those people do?
It's from the other thread "Measuring software for schools". I'm a Chemistry and Physics teacher and objected to the idea that I should allow my pupils to use soldering wire for a short-circuit with the mains line.
I actually couldn't care less what idiotic people do when I'm not responsible for them and a safe distance away.
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WTDWTF cross join TDWTF commenters cross join TDWTF forums cross join bots
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I guess libertarians should be OK with this then. Their company, their rules.
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Considering that you read the Süddeutsche, German?
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I understand about at-will
At-will employment is a term used in U.S. labor law for contractual relationships in which an employee can be dismissed by an employer for any reason (that is, without having to establish "just cause" for termination), and without warning.
Public policy exceptions Under the public policy exception, an employer may not fire an employee if it would violate the state's public policy doctrine or a state or federal statute.
Examples of Public policy exceptions: *Equal Pay Act of 1963* (relating to discrimination on the basis of sex in payment of wages); *Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964* (relating to discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin); *Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967* (relating to certain discrimination on the basis of age with respect to persons of at least 40 years of age); *Rehabilitation Act of 1973* (related to certain discrimination on the basis of handicap status); *Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990* (relating to certain discrimination on the basis of handicap status). *The National Labor Relations Act*
No Armed Citizen Employment Act.
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They can fire you for smoking weed even in the 2 states where it is legal.
There's a difference between smoking weed and owning guns though, even in Washington and Colorado. Even where a state has legalized it, marijuana possession is still a federal crime. Also, just because something is legal does not make it a protected right. Gun ownership is a protected right. This has nothing to do with whether they had the right to fire him
Business owners are permitted (in most areas) to ban firearms from their property. In these situations, a business owner is allowed to terminate employment for bringing a firearm into the workplace as it violates business policy. The problem in this case is the man didn't bring the gun onto the property. He merely owns a gun. The company had no cause to fire him, and, as the article states, they violated Indiana state law.
This was a case of:
Business: "You can't bring your gun to work."
Employee: "Ok, I won't bring a gun to work"
B: "Do you own a gun?"
E: "Yes."
B: "You're fired."
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It's from the other thread "Measuring software for schools". I'm a Chemistry and Physics teacher and objected to the idea that I should allow my pupils to use soldering wire for a short-circuit with the mains line.
I actually couldn't care less what idiotic people do when I'm not responsible for them and a safe distance away.
OK, so your school is TRWTF. I don't see what any of that has to do with people being fired for owning guns.
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OK, so your school is TRWTF. I don't see what any of that has to do with people being fired for owning guns.
You can ask FrostCat since he's the one who dragged that into here. And I'm not sure why my school would be TRWTF?
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It's a private company, and as long as it's an at-will state, they can fire you for whatever they want other than the handful of "Protected Classes"
Guns are not a protected class.
You might be able to argue that gun ownership falls under the protected class of "political views". You cannot discriminate against someone based on their political views, and these days gun ownership is a political topic. Since actually owning a gun is an expression of a person's views on gun ownership, you could (possibly) argue that being fired for being a gun owner qualifies as being fired for your political views.