The failure modes of rsync
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@accalia said:
Linux isn't the only one dealing with legacy shit.
You need to learn to ignore him on those sorts of rants. He's just channeling certain corners of slashdot when he does that. No amount of facts or history will convince him.You of all people should know better than to waste your time arguijng with him.FTFY.
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Something can be both supported and deprecated
Holy shit, I think I just felt an earthquake.
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When I say cmd, I mean whatever opens up when I type "cmd" in Start menu search bar and hit enter.
Other things, JSYN, than CMD can use a console window.
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arguijng
The iPad fun continues as that posted without me actually touching the post button (though I was scrolling the page using my left hand).
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Are you suggesting that something that comes from 'Mericuh can be normal?
Just right and/or better.
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The slash thing is a violation of the custom that slashes at the end of a path are irrelevant. I know of no other tool that uses this distinction.
I run into one on a fairly regular basis. I habitually use
ls -F
rather than plainls
. Iffoo
is a symlink to a dir,ls -F foo
simply reportsfoo@
; I have to try again withls -F foo/
, because I always forget the first time.
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@Edsger Dijkstra said:
"It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration"
Well, that explains my programming skills.The various Acorn computers came with their own BASIC versions too.
Forgot about those.No idea how common those systems were outside the UK
They were around in the Netherlands, but the only ones I ever saw up close (let alone used) were when, at age 14, we got one hour of computer science a week in school for half a year. We got to do LOGO on them for a while before progressing to stuff like word processing on PC-XT clones.
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[quote="HardwareGeek, post:108, topic:50888]
Iffoo
is a symlink to a dir,ls -F foo
simply reportsfoo@
; I have to try again withls -F foo/
, because I always forget the first time.
[/quote]This is what you get for using symlinks.
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We got to do LOGO on them for a while before progressing to stuff like word processing on PC-XT clones.
I remember the PC-XT clones. “Hobbled” and “useless” are some of the better things I can say about them. I much preferred the BBC and the ZX-Spectrum because they had hardware you could hack around with.
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Unless I’m mistaken, the ones in my school were [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_Computers]Tulips[/url], which were pretty high-quality. I don’t remember much of the software on them, except that the word processor was notably worse than WordPerfect 4.2 that I used at home. I don’t think we ever did anything more than LOGO on the BBC Micros and some very basic office-type things on the XTs — both of which I was already familiar with anyway.
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I was in the neighborhood and came across this page:
Published: April 17, 2012
Updated: August 15, 2012
Applies To: Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows Server 2000, Windows Server 2003, Windows Server 2003 R2, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2008 R2, Windows Server 2012, Windows Vista, Windows XPHmmm....
##Command shell overview
The command shell is a software program that provides direct communication between the user and the operating system. The non-graphical, command shell user interface provides the environment in which you run character-based applications and utilities. The command shell executes programs and displays their output on the screen by using individual characters similar to the MS-DOS command interpreter, Command.com. The command shell in the Windows Server operating system uses the command interpreter, Cmd.exe. Cmd.exe loads applications, directs the flow of information between applications, and translates user input into a form that the operating system understands.
You can use the command shell to create and edit scripts to automate routine tasks. For example, you can create simple scripts in batch (.bat) files to automate the management of user accounts or nightly backups. You can also use the command-line version of Windows Script Host to run more sophisticated scripts in the command shell. For more information, see Cscript or Wscript. You can perform operations more efficiently by using scripts than you can by using the user interface. Scripts accept all commands that are available at the command line.
Emphasis mine. I couldn't find anything more recent to talk about 8.1 or 10, but maybe @blakeyrat should let them know that they shouldn't be saying this stuff about something he deprecated ages ago.
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Apart from XP a.k.a. Windows Fisher-Price Edition
It may have focused too much on eXPerience, but it can run Interix too, and can even be convinced to run native Linux ELFs with a unified (Win32, Win16, WinG, MIT X) desktop.
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Well, yes, but I fear you've missed the joke
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I would guess it has something to do with powershell not being available except in server editions of Windows (seems to be pre-installed ∀ in win8 though)...
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No, I got the joke. The plastic, colorful, child-like experience. But it's still a grownup OS by Gribnit's nit-gribby definition.
Filed under: Don't make me get out my experience T-shirt!
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I would guess it has something to do with powershell not being available except in server editions of Windows (seems to be pre-installed ∀ in win8 though)...
And in 7?
The only Windows release without powershell on the desktop version may have been Vista. I'm not even sure if Vista/2008 had powershell at all though...
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The only Windows release without powershell on the desktop version may have been Vista.
You'll need to be more specific than that round here. There was no version of PowerShell in Windows 3.1
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Powershell works as far back as XP, but it wasn't bundled until Windows 7 (though it was bundled in service packs for older OSes)
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I think Vista had powershell as an optional update. I know I used it on my old Vista machine
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It was also bundled in SP1
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Powershell works as far back as XP, but it wasn't bundled until Windows 7 (though it was bundled in service packs for older OSes)
Huh. Didn't know it went back that far. Meh. Still, it's bundled in 7+ :)
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There wasn't?
WE SHOULD BACKPORT IT!!!!!
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It also wasn't available for Microsoft Bob, but I suggest that you forget about (backporting to) that.
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What's so bad about Microsoft Bob?
Apart from everything about it of course....
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Microsoft Bob
Bob's just an old fogey in accounting anyway. he neither wants nor needs powershell to do his job.
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Apart from everything about it of course.
It's the Ebola of desktop environments. Though if you prefer some other haemorrhagic virus, I'm willing to listen to suggestions.
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Though if you prefer some other haemorrhagic virus, I'm willing to listen to suggestions.
pretty much any of the members of Filoviridae are pretty nasty customers.
but if you want a truly terrible virus... try this one
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but if you want a truly terrible virus... try this one
Which is thankfully totally absent from the UK
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yes, and your prevention measures may make entry into your fair country difficult for this vulpine.
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We'll work something out ;)
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What's so bad about Microsoft Bob?
That Microsoft fails to keep its promises:But this is easily made good by:
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One of my professors has ls aliased to l
I used that too since at my school it was a standard alias to ls -ltr.
Then one day in my early work years I got called in to save an old MS-DOS machine with a super-critical homegrown application written in a language I didn't know running out of its compilation directory, no backups whatsoever. First order of business was of course to make a backup. For some reason probably known only to the guy whose disappearance had prompted my being called in, "l" launched the equivalent of a complete make clean ; make all The make command succeeded after some ten sweaty minutes, the app continued to work, the client never noticed, I finished sitting on my left hand and typing with one finger to avoid slips of the mind, but since then I avoid too-short aliases.
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!!!!!!
Wow...
Yeah
l
is a standard alias to somels
command in *buntus. Maybe others...
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"l" launched the equivalent of a complete make clean ; make all
That would be… unexpected at the best of times. Now, if you'd done
m
I could have believed it.
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He also had ll alias to ls. He essentially spammed aliases until he could to list a directory
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That's also a default alias. To
ls -l
and the other optionsl
gives you.FWIW those aliases are ridiculously nice if you're used to them...
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FWIW those aliases are ridiculously nice if you're used to them...
i don't use them, mainely because they are not universal defaults and it's annoying to have someone set up different defaults and give you unexpected output.
and if you
alias ls="ANYTHING AT ALL"
i will come by your desk and hit you upside the head with a giant purple .... office inappropriate implement* for an hour and then make you remove that alias.* for most offices, it's probably office appropriate if you work in a porn studio
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Filed Under
alias ls='ls'
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For an entire hour? I think the effect would wear off after about a minute and at that point its just business
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@accalia said:
you alias ls="ANYTHING AT ALL"
Not even
alias ls='ls -F'
?absolutely. alias that to
lf
if you must but when i'm in the habit of building bash scripts on the fly in the command line and your aliases change the default behavior of the commands i'm going to be writingsed
andawk
scripts around.... that's not going to flythat being said i'll accept things like
alias ls="ls --color=auto"
because that doesn't change the results when the output is not a terminal.
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For an entire hour? I think the effect would wear off after about a minute and at that point its just business
The other fifty nine minutes is as a warning to the rest of the system admins.
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Filed Under alias ls='ls'
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i'll let that pass, but only because you are obviously taking the piss out on me
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Because you never know when the value of
ls
might change. You just gotta make sure to be safe and define these things.Don't leave them up to chance.
Not that my proposed solution solves that issue at all
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Probably better to have any automated scripts running on a user account set up specificially to run the scripts, with all script commands validated and known not to be set to funky aliases.
Seems much easier than threatening violence against random other developers for the audacity to want to optimize their environment...
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hit you upside the head with a giant purple .... office inappropriate implement* for an hour
This is a hyperbolic statement
I think the effect would wear off after about a minute
Because the originator knows this, through experience if nothing else, by stating 60 minutes when one will do, they are showing (without lying) how much they dislike this (inappropriate use of aliases that is)
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...Okay?