Android bloatware
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no replaceable battery
i'm still annoyed at that trend
no SD card slot
this infuriates me, but not as much as the trend for laptops to provide a "full size SD card slot" that's half or even quarter depth.#IF YOU DONT HAVE THE ROOM FOR A FULL DEPTH SLOT THEN USE A MICROSD SLOT INSTEAD SO I CAN ADD PERMANENT STORAGE TO THE LAPTOP IN THE FORM OF AN SD CARD!
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Why would you add permanent storage to a laptop using an SD card?
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Cheaper than adding a new hard drive? Easier too; you don't have to go through a whole backup/restore or reinstall process.
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because i have several 64GB and 128GB cards, and the laptop does not have an internal HDD bay? most of the <13" laptops these days have the HDD soldered to the Mobo and do not have an internal HDD bay, leaving SD the onl;y option for extra permanent storage.
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Cheaper than adding a new hard drive?
What? A 512GB SD card is like £500 - a 512GB SSD is like £200.
Easier too; you don't have to go through a whole backup/restore or reinstall process.
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and the laptop does not have an internal HDD bay? most of the <13" laptops these days have the HDD soldered to the Mobo and do not have an internal HDD bay
IMO a laptop where the HDD cannot be changed without changing the motherboard is more stupid than a phone you can't add storage to. I wouldn't buy one of these.
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I wouldn't buy one of these.
except for the chromebook i didn't buy them, and wouldn't recommend them. if they have a full size/depth SD or microSD slot that's somewhat forgivable that they don't have internal drive bay, somewhat....
but i'm known to be a geek and as such i get things like laptops(rarely) and other copmputer accessories (more common) as gifts from well meaning but not exactly technologically savvy relatives. Usually i accept them and quietly sell them on but occasionally i keep the laptops, usually for the role of "this is going to Robotics and the kids there are rough on laptops, best not bring my nice laptop" but occasionally for fun of my own.
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@sloosecannon said:
for people who like sane, non-phablet sizes
oh, you're one of those, are you?
I'll bet he doesn't even make sure he's never away from his phone in his home!
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Since you're forced to carry an impractical borderline-unusable phablet
Ridiculous! I have a Note 2 and an LG G3, both of which have 5.5" screens, and both of which nicely fit into a standard shirt pocket.
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What? A 512GB SD card is like £500 - a 512GB SSD is like £200.
Well, the SD card might still be cheaper than having the old hard drive/SSD unsoldered and replaced, according to what @accalia says.
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I'll bet he doesn't even make sure he's never away from his phone in his home!
Whoa now let's not get crazy. Not wanting a reasonably-sized screen isn't quite as onion-on-your-belt as that.
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Well yeah, but I wasn't in possession of that information when I made that post.
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Ridiculous! I have a Note 2 and an LG G3, both of which have 5.5" screens, and both of which nicely fit into a standard shirt pocket.
140x76 mm and 150x80mm.
I guess you can reuse all the shirt pockets designed to hold a scientific calculator.
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@loopback0 said:
What? A 512GB SD card is like £500 - a 512GB SSD is like £200.
Well, the SD card might still be cheaper than having the old hard drive/SSD unsoldered and replaced, according to what @accalia says.
it'd also be overkill. TBBH even an 128GB SD card is overkill except for some very specificsituations.
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Brutal?
I don't have laptops with less than 512GB HDD/SSD storage, so I was basing another 512GB on the fact that if I was adding permanent storage I'd be adding at least that again. Obviously not with SD cards. Again though - this was before the whole laptops-with-unremoveable-storage thing came to light.
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Speaking of Android and large handsets, the current rumour is that there will be two upcoming Nexus devices, a 5.2-inch from LG and a 5.7-inch from Huawei. I guess that's more or less in line with Galaxy S5/S6 (both 5.1 inches) and Note 4 (5.7) but I was hoping for a smaller smaller one and a bit more differentiation, like Iphone 6 (4.7) and 6 Plus (5.5).
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I want a new Nexus 7, cause the 13 model is kinda aging now.... And it's not being sold officially.
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I don't have laptops with less than 512GB HDD/SSD storage
okay, and how much of that space is filled with stuff?of that space how much is absolutely essential to be on the laptop at all times?
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i'm willing to bet you could with minimal effort fit all your permanent data withing 256 or even 126GB (including OS and programs)
it's a laptop afterall so you should be operating under the assumption that it will break today and have no irreplaceable data solely on the laptop.
if you exercize good data discipline and do not game on the laptop keeping usage to less than 256GB for a development machine and less than 128GB for a non development machine should be more or less trivial.
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Plus in the case of newer Xperias unlocking the bootloader means losing all the fancy patented image optimizing algorithms, because they only work with some kind of special key that gets erased on unlocking.
Didn't know that then and don't care now, the camera on my Z1C is still amazing and I'd rather have slightly worse pictures than all that Sony/Google/T-Mobile crap.
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okay, and how much of that space is filled with stuff?
of that space how much is absolutely essential to be on the laptop at all times?
On my personal Lenovo - like 300GB on a 1TB hard drive at the moment. Probably more.
I'm not going out of my way here to get big hard drives. Most laptops of the spec I'm already buying come with decent-sized drives. Even shitty £200 Windows laptops with silly Celeron CPUs come with 500GB drives.
That's not the point anyway - I might not need it now, but considering the effort of just buying one with a bigger drive now is less than the effort of swapping it out (or adding another) later on, and the cost difference is fuck all, then it seems silly not to.
i'm willing to bet you could with minimal effort fit all your permanent data withing 256 or even 126GB (including OS and programs)
I'm willing to bet this is false.it's a laptop afterall so you should be operating under the assumption that it will break today and have no irreplaceable data solely on the laptop.
I am. Shit I don't want to lose gets synced to Dropbox - but to access it, still needs to live on the laptop. Likewise virtual machines - backed up, but need to live on the laptop to be useful.if you exercize good data discipline and do not game on the laptop keeping usage to less than 256GB for a development machine and less than 128GB for a non development machine should be more or less trivial.
This is . Find a 15" Windows laptop that's decent enough to be a development machine, and comes with less than a 500GB drive.
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I guess you can reuse all the shirt pockets designed to hold a scientific calculator.
No, I'm talking about the shirt I'm wearing right now, a standard button-down collared short-sleeve shirt with one breast pocket, that I bought at Wal-Mart a couple of years ago right off the rack. In fact, the phone could be an inch wider and still fit, although if it were any taller it might be precarious if I bent over.
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i'm willing to bet you could with minimal effort fit all your permanent data withing 256 or even 126GB (including OS and programs)
...as long as you don't want to play modern(ish) games. Wow is up to, I dunno, 30GB or so. Windows + Office + Visual Studio + a game or two and you're running low on a 120GB SSD.
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GTA V alone is 60 GB. I had to clear a bunch of stuff out on my (desktop) SSD to make room for it.
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I'm willing to bet this is false.
i'll bet good money that it isn't.
you're welcome to prove me wrong and collect your money though.
I'm not going out of my way here to get big hard drives. Most laptops of the spec I'm already buying come with decent-sized drives.
yes, you're buying development laptops then. i'm willing to bet you also don't buy < 15.5" screens for those laptops either.Find a Windows laptop that's decent enough to be a development machine, and comes with less than a 500GB drive.
this one is a decent dev machine. but of course you gotta give up the 15" requirement. why does it have to be 15" anyway, 13 or 11" can work just as well with suficent DPI
or if you insist on an i7: http://smile.amazon.com/Microsoft-Surface-Pro-Intel-Core/dp/B00KHQWRZS/
yes, i do use the first link as my primary mobile personal development machine, and it's fantastic. No i don't have any work data on the microSD card i have in it, all that's on there is some movies and music for those moments when i want to watch or listen to something and am sans wifi
although we're really talking two different classes of laptop. You're talking a work laptop while i'm talking about a mobile laptop, something suitable for light to medium development in an environment where total weight is more important than raw power. You're requirements are for a powerhouse desktop replacement development laptop, which is an entirely different beast.
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GTA V alone is 60 GB. I had to clear a bunch of stuff out on my (desktop) SSD to make room for it.
Yeah, I've got a 120GB SSD and a 1TB HDD--nothing that I can control where it installs goes on the SSD.
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http://smile.amazon.com/Microsoft-Surface-Pro-Intel-Core/dp/B00KHR4T8U/
or if you insist on an i7: http://smile.amazon.com/Microsoft-Surface-Pro-Intel-Core/dp/B00KHQWRZS/
You met neither requirement. That's a 12" tablet.
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GTA V alone is 60 GB. I had to clear a bunch of stuff out on my (desktop) SSD to make room for it.
I made sure that went on the much larger HDD in my desktop.
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You met neither requirement.
it's what i use as my dewv machine so i met that requirement. pair it with the touchtype cover that's practically a requirement and it makes a decent laptop, and you didn't answer my question why 15" is so required, nor did you address any of my other valid points in that post.
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I like to have my games on my SSD when I'm playing them, for performance, but when I'm not actively playing they get backed up to an HDD.
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The problem with the Moto G, at least the first gen one, is that the 5.0 upgrade completely ruined the experience. It mostly works acceptably, but there are semi-random massive slowdowns, the whole phone sometimes freezes, and it reboots itself whenever it feels like it, including while I was on the phone to my mother.
That was my exact iPhone experience, and why I'll never buy another one.
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You're talking a work laptop
I'm not. I'm talking about my personal laptop. Which was £300 cheaper than the i5 Surface Pro.
You're requirements are for a powerhouse desktop replacement development laptop, which is an entirely different beast.
They're not. Otherwise I'd have added extras.
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The difference is that my moto G cost less outright than an iPhone does on a contract, and this was the second major OS update it got. Not that I'm not a bit pissed off about it, but I accepted that it woufuld become obsolete more quickly than a flagship when I bought a cheap "good enough" phone
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it's what i use as my dewv machine so i met that requirement.
And missed the other two.
pair it with the touchtype cover that's practically a requirement and it makes a decent laptop
So does buying a laptop.and you didn't answer my question why 15" is so required
Why do people (including me) have 22" inch monitors? People like bigger screens. 15" is as big as you can go on a laptop without (IMO) making it cumbersome.
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Well at the time it was the first 3G iPhone and there wasn't much competition. I don't think Android was even out then.
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I like to have my games on my SSD when I'm playing them, for performance, but when I'm not actively playing they get backed up to an HDD.
So would I but I CBA to move the files around, especially not for games I play frequently and are large.
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I've tried development on 11", and it's horrible. I will never go under 13" again for a laptop, or above 8" for a tablet.
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That was my exact iPhone experience, and why I'll never buy another one.
Microsoft did the same thing, BTW, going from WM2003->WM5. Pretty much all PPCs had crippling performance issues.
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I like to have my games on my SSD when I'm playing them, for performance, but when I'm not actively playing they get backed up to an HDD.
I have 2 HDDs in RAID 0 for the stuff that doesn't go on the SSDs - they're more than fast enough for gaming that the HDDs aren't causing any performance bottlenecks.
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I like to have my games on my SSD when I'm playing them, for performance, but when I'm not actively playing they get backed up to an HDD.
Unless you play games that rely heavily on texture streaming, the only difference you'll see is a small difference in loading times
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if they have a full size/depth SD or microSD slot that's somewhat forgivable that they don't have internal drive bay, somewhat....
Have you considered a micro sd card in a mini sd card adapter? (i haven't seen a mini card in half a decade). They are same width, only half length of a standard sd card.
I love my OnePlus.
Qf agreement.
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So would I but I CBA to move the files around, especially not for games I play frequently and are large.
I'm not moving files back and forth all the time, just whenever I need space (like when I got GTA V)
I have 2 HDDs in RAID 0 for the stuff that doesn't go on the SSDs - they're more than fast enough for gaming that the HDDs aren't causing any performance bottlenecks.
I've got a mish-mash of HDDs, some from my old system, some green WDs, etc and I don't know that much about RAID so I don't have a setup like that.
Unless you play games that rely heavily on texture streaming, the only difference you'll see is a small difference in loading times
I think open world games do rely pretty heavily on streaming everything, so at least in GTA's case it (theoretically) helps.
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I'm not. I'm talking about my personal laptop.
you are really, we're just using different words to describe it. I meant work in the sense of "i do production grade work on it, even if it's on my free time" not in the sense of 'this is what i got from work" if it was the second case it would be half as good but twice as expensive because enterprise.
They're not. Otherwise I'd have added extras.
elaborate then, what additional extras would be required?And missed the other two.
if you insist. i still claim i only missed the screen size because the device is a laptop when a physical keyboard is addedSo does buying a laptop.
what are we? elitist? does having a touchscreen make it not a laptop? is the lenovo Yoga a tablet because you can fold the keyboard out of the way and use it as a tablet?Why do people (including me) have 22" inch monitors?
because we like big screens and weight is not an issue when they are desk mounted (at least not since we moved to LCD/LED technology)5" is as big as you can go on a laptop without (IMO) making it cumbersome.
IMO 15" is too heavy to be mobile. 15"+ is desktop replacement class for me. regardless of the hardware inside it's too heavy to throw in a bag and carry with you at a whim. 11-12" is the sweet spot for that. add in video out you can hook that tiny powerhouse of a laptop into a big monitor and have a workstation after plugging in a couple of cords (or slotting it into a dock)
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I'm not moving files back and forth all the time, just whenever I need space (like when I got GTA V)
Ok, but what happens when you get another 30+GB game such that you can't fit both it and GTA V on the SSD, but you're not ready to stop playing GTA V?
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Have you considered a micro sd card in a mini sd card adapter? (i haven't seen a mini card in half a decade). They are same width, only half length of a standard sd card.
i have several of those. however even half depth is too long for the modern crop of cardslots. they're all 1/4 depth or 1/8 depth (otherwise known as just enough to make pin contact)
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I think open world games do rely pretty heavily on streaming everything, so at least in GTA's case it (theoretically) helps.
Anything you can do to improve access times anywhere helps. running (say) Minecraft from an SSD (or better yet, a RAMdisk) will make it start faster, and also mitigate/eliminate autosave lag spikes, which normally occur every few seconds, for example.
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IMO 15" is too heavy to be mobile.
Bah. I used a 17" tank of a Dell XPS for years. As long as you've got a backpack big enough for it, you're fine.
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autosave lag spikes
Shouldn't exist in modern games; farm it off to a background thread or something already