π Quick links thread
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@Yamikuronue said in π Quick links thread:
@cartman82 I mean, I just figure, Crockford has always had his own opinions, and going up against him just reflects badly on the twitter gestalt rather than really posing a threat.
On whom exactly?
That's what's bugging me the most. The crybullies managed to strike this guy down, without putting anything on the stake - neither the facts, nor their ideology, nor reputation.
Ever saw "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford"? No one likes assassins. Even if you agree with them, some part of you is still disturbed that a little, unworthy person can take out a great larger than life person, by being a sleazy rat and not fighting fair.
I guess that's the vibe I get from this whole thing.
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@cartman82 said in π Quick links thread:
fighting fair.
lol welcome to the internet. You know? There's cowards and bullies everywhere.
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@flabdablet said in π Quick links thread:
@cartman82 said in π Quick links thread:
leave the poor guy alone
To be fair, he is almost single-handedly responsible for the fact that everything is Javascript now.
I hope the emphasis is on the now part because the majority of the underlying clusterfuck is more on Eich as I understand it than on Crockford.
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@Yamikuronue I think I caught somebody objecting to "Monads and Gonads" as in some way sexist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0EF0VTs9Dc
So I just watched that, because (a) I wouldn't know a monad if it bit me on the leg and (b) I wanted to see where the gonads fitted in. Turns out that the only gonadal mention in the whole thing is Crockford calling the last pair of parens in this pattern "dog balls", apparently because they stick out:
var whatever = (function () { return result; })();
and recommending the use of
var whatever = (function () { return result; }());
instead. So, meh. Being offended by that strikes me as rather precious.
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@Arantor said in π Quick links thread:
the majority of the underlying clusterfuck is more on Eich
Yes, but it was Crockford's "good parts" book that first drew attention to the fact that hiding underneath the clusterfuck was an astonishingly capable little language.
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@Zecc said in π Quick links thread:
@Jarry said in π Quick links thread:
"Instead we're adding a second kind of object which unfortunately is known as weak map. And that's a problem because nobody wants to put anything weak in their program, right?" * flexes on stage *
How is that sexist? If anything it's discriminatory against weak people.
Are they implying {sex} is weaker than {other sex}? :only_half_trolling:
The other thing is that he's saying that it's bad that we have this prejudice against weakness. But the types who would freak out about something like this aren't usually interested in nuance.
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Sanders must be beating himself up over not going independent after Clinton muscled him out of the primaries. The biggest mistake of his life.
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@cartman82 The problem with that is that he would have been out campaigning for teh crazy for a while and his 54% approval rating would probably go down. He's no better than Clinton or Trump but people don't know him well enough to see that he's his own sort of crazy.
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@boomzilla said in π Quick links thread:
He's no better than Clinton or Trump but people don't know him well enough to see that he's his own sort of crazy.
Disagree. All he'd need is to position himself as moderate uncorrupted reformer. People wouldnt care for his policies, just as long as they don't have to vote for Clinton or Trump.
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@cartman82 said in π Quick links thread:
All he'd need is to position himself as moderate uncorrupted reformer. People wouldnt care for his policies, just as long as they don't have to vote for Clinton or Trump.
He can pick either his policies or an identity as a "moderate uncorrupted reformer."
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a chatbot, and people willing to be offended.
now someone has to feed that code with trump and hillary texts, and see how long it stands
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@Jarry What makes you think that something like that isn't already happening? It would certainly explain a great deal about their tw
aeets.
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@cartman82 said in π Quick links thread:
Randall puts global warming in context.
Paleoclimatology definitely belongs in a comic.
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@boomzilla Nice piece of messenger-shooting. Top work.
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@cartman82 I just realized I hadn't finished reading that. So thanks.
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@boomzilla said in π Quick links thread:
Paleoclimatology definitely belongs in a comic.
You mean we don't know to within a 10th of a degree what the average temperature was 22000 years ago?
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@antiquarian said in π Quick links thread:
You mean we don't know to within a 10th of a degree what the average temperature was 22000 years ago?
We barely know that for yesterday. Paleoclimatology, at least as far as temperature reconstructions using proxies isn't much beyond reading chicken entrails. The cherry picking, unsound statistical practice and dodgy data collection and archiving should embarrass those guys.
But I was wondering which messenger @flabdablet thought I was trying to shoot. @cartman82, Randal, @ben_lubar (who posted that image somewhere else around here) or paleoclimatologists.
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@boomzilla said in π Quick links thread:
But I was wondering which messenger @flabdablet thought I was trying to shoot. @cartman82, Randal, @ben_lubar (who posted that image somewhere else around here) or paleoclimatologists.
Do you really think it matters? Facts are a barrier to shaming tactics.
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@boomzilla said in π Quick links thread:
I was wondering which messenger @flabdablet thought I was trying to shoot
Fuck it. Shoot them all and let God sort them out.
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@antiquarian said in π Quick links thread:
Facts are a barrier to shaming tactics
...unlike endless accusations of employing "shaming tactics".
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@flabdablet said in π Quick links thread:
...unlike endless accusations of employing "shaming tactics".
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@antiquarian No, that one's worn out as well. Try again.
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@flabdablet said in π Quick links thread:
No, that one's worn out as well. Try again.
I agree that this is getting monotonous, so let's make a deal: if you stop referring to people you disagree with as "manbabies", I will cheerfully withdraw any accusations of shaming tactics.
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At least our banks will be good, right? I mean they're the ones with the bank grade security
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@antiquarian said in π Quick links thread:
if you stop referring to people you disagree with as "manbabies", I will cheerfully withdraw any accusations of shaming tactics.
Do you have a suggestion for a politically correct replacement?
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@flabdablet said in π Quick links thread:
Do you have a suggestion for a politically correct replacement?
How does political correctness apply here?
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@antiquarian http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politically correct
agreeing with the idea that people should be careful to not use language or behave in a way that could offend a particular group of people
You were asking him to remove an insult from his vocabulary. How could it not apply?
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I gave commit rights to someone I didn't know, I could never have guessed what happened next!
We often whine about the OSS, so here's a little uplifting story for a change.
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@Buddy said in π Quick links thread:
You were asking him to remove an insult from his vocabulary. How could it not apply?
Go back and read the post and the context. If you think giving offense is the issue, you totally missed the point.
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Apparently the issue is that I need to find a word other than "manbabies" for people who react to others gaining access to nice things formerly reserved for them alone with the kind of squalling fury typical of an infant deprived of his favourite rattle.
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@boomzilla weird how they say βrationality can be learnedβ but nothing about training up your intuition. I mean, if intuitiveness correlates with higher iq, isn't that something you'd want to look into?
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@antiquarian right, I think I missed that your point was that it was worn out. I turned that over in my head a bit, but my position still hasn't changed. βManbabiesβ is just simple name-calling. Getting someone to stop using that term without changing their opinion would be a prime example of pc.
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@Buddy said in π Quick links thread:
@boomzilla weird how they say βrationality can be learnedβ but nothing about training up your intuition. I mean, if intuitiveness correlates with higher iq, isn't that something you'd want to look into?
Probably. I think Sailer was onto something when he points out that the researcher's definition of rational is flawed.
As for training intuition, it seems like being able to take in details and make decisions below the conscious level. I think it's obvious that we manage this in tasks like driving a car. So why not in more cerebral activities?
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@Buddy said in π Quick links thread:
right, I think I missed that your point was that it was worn out. I turned that over in my head a bit, but my position still hasn't changed. βManbabiesβ is just simple name-calling. Getting someone to stop using that term without changing their opinion would be a prime example of pc.
That was part of it. The main point was that he only uses the term to refer to people he doesn't agree with, and uses it as a substitute for arguing against their positions. That's what makes it a shaming tactic.
@flabdablet said in π Quick links thread:
Apparently the issue is that I need to find a word other than "manbabies" for people who react to others gaining access to nice things formerly reserved for them alone with the kind of squalling fury typical of an infant deprived of his favourite rattle.
And you wonder why I constantly accuse you of shaming tactics. At least I haven't mentioned the 100-foot-high straw man.
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@boomzilla said in π Quick links thread:
As for training intuition, it seems like being able to take in details and make decisions below the conscious level. I think it's obvious that we manage this in tasks like driving a car. So why not in more cerebral activities?
It absolutely works in chess. All of the strong players (FIDE Master and up) say that it's really about pattern matching. The stronger players have more patterns in their head, and as a result, they have a better idea about which sequences of moves are worth investigating. They spend more time on those, and less on sequences which their intuition/pattern-matching tells them aren't likely to lead anywhere.
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@boomzilla said in π Quick links thread:
As for training intuition, it seems like being able to take in details and make decisions below the conscious level. I think it's obvious that we manage this in tasks like driving a car. So why not in more cerebral activities?
I think that ties in to what he was saying about learning the tricks. Like, the quickest way to answer that question is to recognize that one of those answers is a subset of the other and therefore will always be less likely. βRaw processing powerβ or logical reasoning skills aren't really necessary for that.
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@antiquarian said in π Quick links thread:
a substitute for arguing against their positions
... which is quite appropriate when those positions amount to little more than foot-stamping demands for the restoration of lost privilege.
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@flabdablet said in π Quick links thread:
... which is quite appropriate when those positions amount to little more than foot-stamping demands for the restoration of lost privilege.
Uh...what? I guess not trying to argue is probably for the best if you're not even going to try to understand what you'd be arguing against.
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@boomzilla said in π Quick links thread:
I guess not trying to argue is probably for the best if you're not even going to try to understand what you'd be arguing against.
To be fair, that's never stopped you from arguing against climate modelling.
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@flabdablet said in π Quick links thread:
To be fair, that's never stopped you from arguing against climate modelling.
Um, actually, I've never argued against climate modeling. I certainly think it's something we should be doing.
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@boomzilla said in π Quick links thread:
We barely know that for yesterday.
Oh my God, you're right! In reality, it could be even worse!
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Anyways, quick links? Emphasis on the quick...
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@Maciejasjmj said in π Quick links thread:
Oh my God, you're right! In reality, it could be even worse!
If you've been paying attention you'll have noticed that it's always worse than we thought.