Why strong AI will remain ten years away for some while
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@Yamikuronue said in Why strong AI will remain ten years away for some while:
How does electricity do math?! It doesn't understand numbers!
And fucking MAGNETS. How do they work?
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@Jaloopa Yep, more along the lines of what I meant.
@dkf said in Why strong AI will remain ten years away for some while:
RNA and proteins.
I know that. And what part of the cell gets RNA from DNA? At some point there's an arbitrary process that exists, just because.
Evolution only says, it's that way because that's what stuck.
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@xaade are you going for the prime mover argument? Because that seems easy to rebut by asking what caused God
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@Jaloopa You're very clever young man, but its God all the way down.
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@flabdablet but we've only moved the goalposts back
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@Jaloopa Those are God's goalposts and you'll fucking well play them where He decides they go.
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@Yamikuronue Right...
I got that backwards.
It's more like the cell nucleus is the instruction pointer.
I couldn't find any information on the when and why a cell nucleus initiates interaction with a particular DNA for transcription. The how is easy to find.
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@flabdablet said in Why strong AI will remain ten years away for some while:
@Yamikuronue said in Why strong AI will remain ten years away for some while:
How does electricity do math?! It doesn't understand numbers!
And fucking MAGNETS. How do they work?
The idea that makes sense, again not necessarily accurate, but makes sense, is that the effects of a particle are centered on where we measure it to be.
Within that concept, quantum tunneling is easier to explain.
The measured location is the currently densest part of the particle, and the probability field is actually the particle.
Of course, that means that particles could have the vanishingly small possibility of "teleporting" infinitely far away?
Then, long reaching forces like magnetism make more sense too.
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@xaade said in Why strong AI will remain ten years away for some while:
It's more like the cell nucleus is the instruction pointer.
Nope.
If you absolutely insist on mangling your understanding of this stuff by clinging rigidly to computing analogies, you'd be better off seeing the nucleus as the hard drive. The chromosomes, which are made of DNA, are inside the nucleus. They'd be your data tracks.
And you can think of the enzyme RNA polymerase as a disk head, and messenger RNA which exists only long enough to carry transcribed data into the ribosomes, as data flowing over the SATA cable.
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@xaade said in Why strong AI will remain ten years away for some while:
what part of the cell gets RNA from DNA
And yes, the machinery needs to exist first in order to make the machinery. We know. That's the core thing that the scientists studying the origin of life are trying to figure out, but the only systems we know about are already bootstrapped. :)
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@xaade said in Why strong AI will remain ten years away for some while:
I couldn't find any information on the when and why a cell nucleus initiates interaction with a particular DNA for transcription.
It's complicated. It's believe that DNA is usually stored fairly tightly packed (around histone complexes) but from time to time it is unpacked and becomes available for transcription. We suspect that “epigenetic marks” have a lot to do with that process. The start of a gene is typically indicated by a promoter sequence, which is what the polymerase binds to before marching along the strand of DNA until it reaches a STOP marker. I know that there are different strengths of promoter, but I don't know how that works.
And there's a lot of other complexity too. It's not a system put together by a computer engineer. ;)
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@dkf said in Why strong AI will remain ten years away for some while:
It's believe that DNA is usually stored fairly tightly packed (around histone complexes)
@0:00 below (same video as the next reference):
@dkf said in Why strong AI will remain ten years away for some while:
but from time to time it is unpacked and becomes available for transcription
@1:44 below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKubyIRiN84
Second one re-explained here:
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@PJH Thought I'd help them out: