On Frogs, Land, and Government
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@AyGeePlus said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
What was it?
Something about Blakey and Rhydwen having no sense of humo[u]r.
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@Rhywden said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
Also, the "Germans have no humour" trope again? Boooooring. Seems that you're a somewhat scratched record.
Some jokes are evergreen.
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@flabdablet said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
And Monsanto, unlike the Government, is not accountable to the populace at large in any way whatsoever.
the possibility of them doing it was created buy your government, so it's your fault
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@blakeyrat said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
How is "can I walk along your creek and count frogs?"
Hypothecally speaking, let's say you own a couple hundred acres of forested land with a stream through it. These guys ask to come on and count frogs, and a year later you get a notice from the EPA saying you can no longer go on half of it. How would you feel? This actually happens. Also, as I said above, good luck finding someone who'd buy that land now, so you are stuck with it. Would you be OK with that?
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@Rhywden said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
They are thinking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN7gDRjTNf4&t=46
I should really start whaaargarbling like @blakeyrat when people assume they know what I'm thinking.
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@blek said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
Does that make sense?
Of course not! You should do whatever the government wants whenever it wants, no matter how unreasonable that might seem. Otherwise Germans will get upset and Blakeyrat will call you a dick.
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@xaade said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
Dealing with it in Louisiana is bad enough
In addition to your license, you have to license certain kind of gear, like buckets. You also need a seawater-fishing license in addition to your regular fishing license.
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@flabdablet said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
...while Monsanto, for example, can put restrictions on how you can use your land in order to further their own seed sales, and provide no recompense for the loss of utility of your private property. This is all something that can, and does, occur under intellectual property law.
And Monsanto, unlike the Government, is not accountable to the populace at large in any way whatsoever.We all know about that situation and not all of us are in favor of it.
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To misquote a famous actor from the 1910s, the 10 most terrifying words in the English language are:
"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help frogs."
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@boomzilla said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
True. Where do you come up with that stuff?
The frustration of knowing how many people are on to his game now and not responding to the low-hanging fruit of his trolling might be frustrating. That could explain why his trolling has been slipping lately.
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@flabdablet said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
while Monsanto, for example, can put restrictions on how you can use your land in order to further their own seed sales
If only there were other people who sold seeds, who didn't put such restrictions on! Oh, wait.
The difference between Monsanto and the government is that Monsanto can't force you to use their seeds.
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@FrostCat until your crops are contaminated by the Monsanto field next door, that is.
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@anotherusername said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
@FrostCat until your crops are contaminated by the Monsanto field next door, that is.
Then Monsanto will sue you because you didn't pay for their product.
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@flabdablet said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
@abarker said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
restrictions on how you can use your land in order to protect the habitat of the endangered species that they may find, and that they would provide no recompense for the loss of utility of your private property. This is all something that can, and does, occur under the Endangered Species Act.
...while Monsanto, for example, can put restrictions on how you can use your land in order to further their own seed sales, and provide no recompense for the loss of utility of your private property. This is all something that can, and does, occur under intellectual property law.
And Monsanto, unlike the Government, is not accountable to the populace at large in any way whatsoever.
@blakeyrat, I think I found the conspiracy theories!
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@anotherusername said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
until your crops are contaminated by the Monsanto field next door, that is.
I would sue them first for trespass. I'm surprised someone hasn't already.
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@dcon said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
@anotherusername said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
@FrostCat until your crops are contaminated by the Monsanto field next door, that is.
Then Monsanto will sue you because you didn't pay for their product.
http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/gm-seed-accidentally-in-farmers-fields.aspx
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@boomzilla How much did Monsanto pay you to link to their own propaganda, you shill?
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@FrostCat that evil trespassing polinating insects
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@FrostCat It's part of my community service as ordered by the Admiralty Court.
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@boomzilla said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
It's part of my community service
Does the order have a gold fringe?
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@FrostCat said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
@boomzilla said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
It's part of my community service
Does the order have a gold fringe?
I'm not allowed to say.
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@boomzilla You know, if you're trying to disprove a conspiracy theory about a corporation, then linking to a press release on the official website of said corporation might not be the best way to go.
That being said, even if every single conspiracy theory about Monsanto is true:
- Who made these laws that (supposedly) grant Monsanto the right to sue farmers for wind and/or insects getting "copyrighted" seeds on their fields? And who enforces them?
- Who keeps shoveling billions of dollars to the corporation in subsidies?
- Why would you, @flabdablet, think that governments are any more accountable to the people than corporations are? You'd need a coup d'état or civil war for that, and even then, you might punish the current government but also help another group of sociopaths ascend to power.
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@boomzilla said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
I'm not allowed to say.
Then my sovereign person who isn't the corporate person whose name IS IN ALL CAPS doesn't have to...huh, Blakey whaargarbls that Admiralty fringe bullshit better than me.
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@Rhywden said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
@boomzilla Still not funny, though. And this old "But the Germans lack humour!" trope gets tiring.
It never does. The funniest example of how accurate it is is that Monty Pythons were taken to a concentration camp on a tour when they came to Germany to make a German version of the flying circus. And how lame it was, too. :D
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@blek said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
You know, if you're trying to disprove a conspiracy theory about a corporation, then linking to a press release on the official website of said corporation might not be the best way to go
It would be relatively easy for anyone with access to Westlaw or Lexis-Nexis or whatever to verify or disprove the claim that they've never sued anyone in the circumstances they outlined that I CBA to go back and look up to retype, though.
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@fbmac said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
@abarker and nothing good would ever happen to you by letting government people in your land
We all know how well absolutes work out.
@flabdablet said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
@abarker said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
restrictions on how you can use your land in order to protect the habitat of the endangered species that they may find, and that they would provide no recompense for the loss of utility of your private property. This is all something that can, and does, occur under the Endangered Species Act.
...while Monsanto, for example, can put restrictions on how you can use your land in order to further their own seed sales, and provide no recompense for the loss of utility of your private property. This is all something that can, and does, occur under intellectual property law.
And Monsanto, unlike the Government, is not accountable to the populace at large in any way whatsoever.
Irrelevant to the current discussion.
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@abarker said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
We all know how well absolutes work out.
Math.Abs is perfectly cromulent
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@boomzilla said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
@Rhywden said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@boomzilla Still not funny, though. And this old "But the Germans lack humour!" trope gets tiring.
Find a new shtick. Booooring.
Find a sense of humor. If that doesn't work, try humour.
Hey, I got it. They were looking for the frogs. Don't you get it? Those people are keeping the French against their will on their property and the government wanted to count them. Probably those landowners were in possession of a permit that allows them to keep a certain amount of French people on their land, but since they're holding more than the permit allows for, they didn't want the government to poke their nose in. And that's what @boomzilla's talking about;: do you know what would happen f the government knew how many French people is held hostage by an avrage family? Good gracious!
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@kt_ Keeping Frenchmen on one's property is everyone's God damned God-given right! FREEDOM!
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@blek said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
You know, if you're trying to disprove a conspiracy theory about a corporation, then linking to a press release on the official website of said corporation might not be the best way to go.
But it's the most likely to get the theorists frothing. Anyways, they never provide details, and there were details on that page. Seems pretty risky for a high profile public corporation to lie about things on the public record such as their litigation history.
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@abarker said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
@flabdablet said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
And Monsanto, unlike the Government, is not accountable to the populace at large in any way whatsoever.
Irrelevant to the current discussion.
ITYM
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@boomzilla Risky? Is it really? What's the worst that could happen, someone writes a blog post about how they're lying, which will promptly get lumped together with tons of actually insane conspiracy theories? Feh.
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@boomzilla A woman currently being investigated by FBI is running for president of the (arguably) most powerful nation of the world. In light of that I really don't think anyone other than private citizens and small businesses seriously give a flying fuck about regulations. Regulations aren't made to keep the already powerful in check.
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@blek said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
A woman currently being investigated by FBI is running for president of the (arguably) most powerful nation of the world.
Up against a guy being sued for fraud.
What a country.
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@AyGeePlus True, I forgot about that. What a clusterfuck.
You're not alone, though :)
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@AyGeePlus that's nothing, something like 60% of our lawmakers are under investigation for corruption
edit: and the other 40% are better at hiding evidence
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@blek said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
What a clusterfuck.
Let's see, who did we have this presidential election. Trump, the serial liar who is wildly unpredictable in basically every way. Bernie, the guy with big ideas and no way to get them to happen. Jeb Bush, the sad sack. Ted Cruz, the openly underhanded sneak thief. Rick Perry, who replaced knowing things with glasses. Chris Christie, the petty dickhead. Ben Carson, who traded all his respectability as a doctor for debate points. Also he can't keep his hands off other people, which most of us figure out in kindergarten. Rand Paul, with all the energy of bee-sands and none of the compassion and even less facts, somehow. Scott Walker, who was 'called to lead in help clearing the field in this race'. That means he lost. Hillary uh, probably won't actually set the country on fire. Sometimes that's the best you can hope for.
Where do we get these motherfuckers.
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@AyGeePlus said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
Hillary uh, probably won't actually set the country on fire.
It's worth more to to loot if it's not on fire.
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@AyGeePlus As I said, you're not alone man.
Last presidential elections in my country. Those were the first direct presidential elections - previously, the president was elected by members of the Parliament, this was the first time the general public decided; any candidate had to gather 50 thousand signatures (in a nation of 10.5 million people) in order to be admitted to the election, and that was it. A whole bunch of burnouts, losers and retards made it in. The elections had two rounds, the first was to choose two "finalists" and the 2nd was to pick the President out of the 2 remaining ones. Also, one thing to note is that in my country, the President has virtually zero power, he's really just a representative, not much more. Almost anything he does can be very easily overruled by the Parliament.
In the 1st round, I voted for this man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimír_Franz
I hear he's very intelligent and level headed, but again, the President has virtually zero impact on anything, they're like a very highly paid jester - so I voted for the guy solely because I wanted to see him go around visiting other countries, and I wanted to see those countries' uptight asshole politicians shake hands with this dude. That was my sole reason for voting for him, though I suspect I'd like the man if I ever met him.
Now, the finals: We got to choose between this guy, who is legendary for 1) dressing well and 2) falling asleep pretty much anywhere, and 3) an extreme speech inpediment:
http://svobodnenoviny.eu/wp-content/uploads/schwarzenberg-spi1.jpgAnd this communist (yes, really) piece of shit, legendary for being an alcoholic. Seriously, after winning the election and becoming president, one of the first things he did was go to the Russian embassy, get extremely drunk, and then almost puking on the crown jewels:
http://archivum.magyarhirlap.hu/sites/default/files/field/image/2013/06/23/zeman.jpgWhat a clusterfuck.
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I clicked the letter to make it bigger (since my vision is not great and I'm reading it on an HDTV about 6 feet away from my bed). It opened up smaller.
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@blek I don't understand, Klaus isn't a president anymore? :(
Maybe you could've voted for @blakeyrat, he'd simply delete the whole country after a month or so, when gets bored with it.
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@boomzilla said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
It's part of my community service as ordered by the Admiralty Court.
You're servicing a community of sailors?
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@boomzilla said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
I'll bet there are SEC regulations that could come into play.
Then Monsanto could write a witty letter denying the SEC access to their records.
Now that would be funny.
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@flabdablet What I'm hearing is that you're afraid of progress.
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@blek said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
falling asleep pretty much anywhere
Narcolepsy? It happens, and the guy really can't help it. At least he'd have an official driver if elected.
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Or maybe they had an ulterior motive for wanting to look at frogs...
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@boomzilla said in On Frogs, Land, and Government:
@flabdablet What I'm hearing is that you're afraid of progress.
That's because you've got flies in your eyes.
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@flabdablet Probably. Damn kids keep leaving the door open.
That said, the picture painted in that article is pretty damning, though I've seen similar investigative hit pieces about my company and found them to be fully , so I'm not surrendering to Gell-Mann amnesia on this particular topic.