The Windows 10 Random Error Generator
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@blakeyrat said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
That market is a fraction of the size of the "people who want to punch anotherusername in the face" market
So... you? And maybe a couple of other people?
which BTW is poorly-served and would be a good target for venture funding.
Not giving you any money, sorry.
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@anotherusername said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
@blakeyrat said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
That market is a fraction of the size of the "people who want to punch anotherusername in the face" market
So... you? And maybe a couple of other people?
Don't worry, it's only a tiny fraction of the market of people who would punch Blakey in the face, multiple times ;)
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@ChaosTheEternal said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
@anotherusername said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
3.25%
If you trust one source. StatCounter puts the difference between WinXP (7.45%) and Win10 (17.82%) at about 10.37%.
And, given what I can find as for how large of a sample size they have for gathering the data, I'd side with StatCounter's numbers.
We have quite a few registered users... 150M+. I don't have the numbers handy (and probably couldn't quote them if I did), but those sound similar to our users. And the majority of those XP users are in China. (I'm pretty sure our XP percent is lower)
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@TimeBandit said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
Git is the most used version control system.
Doesn't make it good.
Linux is the most used server in the world.
Linux is powering more than 80% of the smartphones.
You are most probably using Linux in your wireless router, TV, e-book.Yeah. So? It works. I don't care what OS is in my appliance.
In the Top 500 fastest supercomputers of the world, Windows is completely absent.
That's a really weird requirement for a working OS...
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@ChaosTheEternal Either way, having just twice the market share of an OS released FIFTEEN YEARS AGO and 1/3 of the market share of an OS released SEVEN YEARS AGO isn't much of an achievement.
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@Gąska True, but Win10 has only been around 8 months or so
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@RaceProUK I think you mean 8 MONTHS OR SO
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@blakeyrat why would you bold-italics such a small number?
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@RaceProUK said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
@Gąska True, but Win10 has only been around 8 months or so
9 Months tomorrow (released July 29th, 2015)
And it's FREE !
People don't seem to rush to install it.
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@TimeBandit True, but then most people don't upgrade their OS without buying a new PC; not everyone is willing to install an entire operating system ;)
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@RaceProUK said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
@Gąska True, but Win10 has only been around 8 months or so
Windows 7 gained 15% market share in just 5 months. And that was back when XP was "just" 8 years old and still receiving updates. Also, it was much, much, much more expensive than W10.
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@RaceProUK said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
@TimeBandit True, but then most people don't upgrade their OS without buying a new PC; not everyone is willing to install an entire operating system ;)
Which explains why there's still so many XP systems around... ;)
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@TimeBandit said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
And it's FREE !
People don't seem to rush to install it.Like Linux then
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@RaceProUK said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
@TimeBandit True, but then most people don't upgrade their OS without buying a new PC; not everyone is willing to install an entire operating system ;)
Mostly it's because not buying is cheaper than buying, or because replacing something decent with crap is stupid. And Windows 10 is free.
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@Gąska I think that had more to do with people desperate to get off Vista. Plus I believe it's the norm for home users to get a new PC every three years or so; MS could have hit a sweet spot w.r.t. that.
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@loopback0 touchȩ̠̣̳͓̩̱̄̌͒͜
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@sloosecannon
touch -e
would make a great pun. Sadly, there's no -e option for touch...
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@Gąska why not
touch /e
?
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@anotherusername said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
why not touch /e?
I'll leave this here...
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@sloosecannon said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
That's kinda sad actually.......
no, it says that there's a lot of stupid people still using XP.
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@TimeBandit said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
Liar.
WinXP : 10.9%
Win10 : 14.15%
Win7 : 51.89%40% isn't really "just past". But even if you want to argue that it is, fine. XP's been out for 14 years or whatever now, and 10's not even a year old yet, so the comparison is rather silly.
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@blakeyrat said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
What isn't "barely"?
Wikipedia, citing StatCounter, puts Windows XP at 7.4% and Windows 10 at 17.87%. Is 240% larger "barely"?If you look at the Steam hardware survey, which probably isn't representative of the whole world, Windows 10 is the most popular, at nearly 37%, surpassing Windows 7 64-bit. You have to add 32-bit Win7 to beat 10.
XP? 2%. At least gamers aren't morons (about this.)
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@anotherusername said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
Using percent to compare a small number to another small number is dishonest.
Small number? How many people out there do you think use Windows? 10 or 14% of a couple hundred million or whatever isn't small potatoes.
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@FrostCat Those figures don't surprise me; gamers are often among the first to upgrade after the hardcore geeks
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@TimeBandit said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
People don't seem to rush to install it.
If so many idiots didn't badmouth it, I'm sure more would.
My customers would probably love the enhancements to Large Fonts functionality (namely: compatibility with Progress applications for the first time, and also that you can switch on the fly without having to logon/logoff. And being able to set it per-monitor.)
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@FrostCat it's still only the difference between about 10% and about 14%, both of which are small fractions of the overall market share, or even the market share of the most popular version, Windows 7.
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Hey guys, if you ever need a dictionary definition for "backpedaling", look there -/\
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@blakeyrat No backpedaling involved: "it's a 4% difference" is honest, "it's a 40% difference" is not.
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@anotherusername I can increase your money to up to 100%!
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@TimeBandit said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
@RaceProUK said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
Don't supercomputers normally have purpose-built OSes that can take advantage of the sheer amount of power?
98.8% of them run Linux, as of November 2015
Typically the only things about them that make them supercomputers are some fancy comms hardware (basically the really ultra-low latency stuff which is really expensive) and a bunch of system libraries (e.g., MPI implementation) and daemons (e.g., queue manager) to make good use of that hardware. Apart from that, they're glorified clusters where someone has really paid attention to the cooling problem. The days of using really custom stuff are gone; it's just too difficult to scale up the hardware to support having a single shared memory model across everything. (It can make it up to a couple of thousand cores, but the big supercomputers are much larger than that.)
They tend to use Linux because then the hardware vendor doesn't have to spend nearly so much on supporting the OS.
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@ben_lubar said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
I can increase your money to up to 100%!
Up to 100%, or more!
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@dkf said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
They tend to use Linux because then the hardware vendor doesn't have to spend nearly so much on supporting the OS.
Perhaps because it is open so vendors can stuff their magic easier and quicker, while a generic proprietary OS will not care to spend engineering time for a small customer base. Why Linux and not BSDs for example? because hardware support is better, less drivers to write for off-the-shelf hardware. Want to get all the CPU timez, use NOHZ patch set, no other OS gives you so much choice on how to compile in or out its guts.
Natural selection
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Going back to Edge for a moment... for some reason, on the laptop where we have Win10 installed, Edge is really stuffed up for my user.
- It can't remember my favourites
- It can't remember when I change my default search provider to Google and always wants to use Bing
- Which is annoying, because it doesn't trust Bing's certificates and refuses to connect to it
It seems to be fine for my wife's user, so I don't know what happened there. It's easier to use a different default browser than to try to troubleshoot it.
Need to play around with it a bit and see if I want to upgrade our main machine to Win10. The kids seem pretty happy with it so I'll probably upgrade theirs I guess.
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@loopback0 said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
now it's just turned into another Windows vs *nix pissing contest
Anybody who pisses on a Windows or Linux box I admin will get sternly admonished.
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@dse said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
a generic proprietary OS will not care to spend engineering time for a small customer base
No, it's because “generic proprietary” makes no sense at this level. There used to be lots of proprietary operating systems; each hardware vendor had their own. But it takes quite a bit of effort to support an operating system; when it isn't the profit centre for the business, why would you not share it? It offloads some of the costs and has very little other consequence; your customers weren't ever actually purchasing the OS as such, but rather the hardware and the OS just came along so that things would work.
@dse said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
Why Linux and not BSDs for example?
I think that was actually just happenstance. There was no particular reason for it, other than that's what other hardware vendors were doing too.
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@FrostCat said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
At least gamers aren't morons (about this.)
Windows 8.1 64 bit 12.86%
You sure about it?
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@dkf said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
I think that was actually just happenstance.
I think it was because GPL is way more stick-it-to-the-man than the BSD licence, and because journalists love a good David vs Goliath story.
BSD never had a compelling single David. Theo has never attracted anywhere near as much press as either Linus or rms.
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@TimeBandit said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
it's FREE !
People don't seem to rush to install it.It can’t be much good if they’re giving it away for free.
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@flabdablet said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
@loopback0 said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
now it's just turned into another Windows vs *nix pissing contest
Anybody who pisses on a Windows or Linux box I admin will get sternly admonished.
They put your server in the women's restroom? And why does it look like a couch?
(Those of you who are not up-to-date on the trollery threads, you won't get the joke... don't bother, it's not funny enough to explain.)
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@Gurth said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
It can’t be much good if they’re giving it away for free.
Pick your choice based on Microsoft's opinion on the subject :
- You get what you pay for (Linux)
- If you're not paying for the product, then you are the product (Google)
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@TimeBandit except that both Google and Linux are better products than Windows, which costs money.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
on the laptop where we have Win10 installed, Edge is really stuffed up for my user.
Based on what you said, something is obviously wrong. You might want to refresh/restore it, or even wipe the hard drive and reinstall from scratch. Odds are that'd fix it.
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@FrostCat My dad started up Firefox on his laptop and some adware told him NO! USE EDGE INSTEAD! IN FACT, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE YOUR DEFAULT BROWSER TO EDGE! With some animated bouncing graphics.
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@Gąska said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
You sure about it?
Pfft. Anyone who's on 8 vs 8.1 is an idiot. The 8.1 holdouts are probably all people who listen to Gabe Newell or the other online "OMHZ STAY AWAY FROM SCARY SNOOPER WINDOWS 10".
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@ben_lubar said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
My dad started up Firefox on his laptop and some adware told him NO! USE EDGE INSTEAD!
That actually almost sounds like good advice. He can stay on FF, but then he's got FF on him.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
it doesn't trust Bing's certificates
Usually the first hint that the clock is set wrong somehow?
@ben_lubar said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
some adware told him NO! USE EDGE INSTEAD! IN FACT, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE YOUR DEFAULT BROWSER TO EDGE! With some animated bouncing graphics.
Awe man, should have recorded that sh*t! That would have been funny!
@FrostCat said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
8.1 holdouts are
Well it was the last one that had Windows Media Center on it (kinda, I dread trying to reinstall if it ever breaks), which is practically the only thing I can get to work with my CableCard tuner (because apparently all digital channels are encrypted for record-once from my TV provider ).
Were it not for that I would probably have 10 on that machine too...
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@Tsaukpaetra Ok, "poor slobs who don't want to give up Media Center" I guess can have a pass. I was never all that enamored of it, myself.
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@FrostCat said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
I was never all that enamored of it, myself.
I'm not either, but when it's either "Use WMC or don't watch TV except on these $16/mo boxes", you have to make concessions.
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@FrostCat said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
The 8.1 holdouts are probably all people who listen to Gabe Newell or the other online "OMHZ STAY AWAY FROM SCARY SNOOPER WINDOWS 10".
In other words, idiots.
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@Gąska said in The Windows 10 Random Error Generator:
In other words, idiots.
I believe I even used that very word. :)