Hahah it's still shit
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@tufty said:
So, Discourse has been Jeffed. We still have "pretend infinititititite scrolling" (albeit somewhat faster than before), and "reloading of things as they change", but the thread list still throws up the "something has changed, click here to reload" bar of fail.
Give it up, for fuck's sake. It's still not better than phpBB.
Also, the edit box runs off the bottom of the window, especially if I have a list of downloads at the bottom of the screen, so I can't see what the fuck I'm typing.
Fuck this shit.
I am disagreeing completely. If you want to come here and post for free, you must take this and run.
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It also loads faster (generally) than a full page refresh.
Ain't much in it. 1.2 seconds for a thread list partial update, 2 seconds for a full reload. Which is, admittedly, better than Discourse; the massive javascrapt overhead meant is was significantly faster to do a full refresh. As long as it didn't 502 OK on you.
Plus you don't have to guess that something has changed.
This is true. However, rather than being an indication, this becomes a "click me NOW!" irritant. This is gamification lite, stuff that's mainly intended to keep you hooked to the screen, to trigger a pavlovian response. I really don't need to know "there are new posts NOW", and neither do you.
It's not an advance.
@Nagesh said:
I am disagreeing completely. If you want to come here and post for free, you must take this and run.
I'll let you take a guess at exactly how many fucks I give what you think. As a hint, the answer is none at all.
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@tufty said:
It also loads faster (generally) than a full page refresh.
Ain't much in it. 1.2 seconds for a thread list partial update, 2 seconds for a full reload. Which is, admittedly, better than Discourse; the massive javascrapt overhead meant is was significantly faster to do a full refresh. As long as it didn't 502 OK on you.
Plus you don't have to guess that something has changed.
This is true. However, rather than being an indication, this becomes a "click me NOW!" irritant. This is gamification lite, stuff that's mainly intended to keep you hooked to the screen, to trigger a pavlovian response. I really don't need to know "there are new posts NOW", and neither do you.
It's not an advance.
@Nagesh said:
I am disagreeing completely. If you want to come here and post for free, you must take this and run.
I'll let you take a guess at exactly how many fucks I give what you think. As a hint, the answer is none at all.
So little that you had to quote my post and answer to it. I am thinking I have invaded your mind!
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@tufty said:
I really don't need to know "there are new posts NOW", and neither do you.
I don't need any posts from this site.
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@boomzilla said:
I don't need any posts from this site.
I know you don't. But you still click that little blue bar as soon as it appears, don't you?
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@tufty said:
But you still click that little blue bar as soon as it appears, don't you?
Depends on what I'm doing.
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Aaaaaand some more.
Pagination works, kinda, if you can find the settings. However:
- It won't paginate the topics list, even though it says it will. That still infinishits.
- Previously mentioned and discodiscoverable "no more than x items per page" limit.
- Paged threads still jellypotato.
- People only ever want to scroll forwards. So it makes discosense to only put paging controls on the bottom of the page.
- People only ever want to scroll forwards by one or two pages. Pager only needs to have 2 or 3 pages of "context". And "next / prev" buttons, despite them being duplicates of the next and previous page links in the "context". these, of course, are discologically placed next to the first and last pages.
- Everything is a mobile, even on the desktop view, so the pager has to be huge in order for me to be able to fat finger it. With my mouse.
Better than Discourse, but only just.
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needs a general reply to the topic button on the page.... though I guess replying to someone mid-topic and deleting the @mention works?
edit button hidden... and has bizarre samecolorasbackgroundwhenhovered feature. oh well.
at least posting mid-topic didn't break the infiniscroll like dischorse.
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@darkmatter ummm... There's one on the bottom of each thread?
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@Onyx I wasn't at the bottom of the thread, I was about 100 posts into this one.
also, removing the @mention doesn't do jack about the "reply-to" link. So I guess there's just no way to post a general reply unless you scroll to the bottom or top to do it.
pisser.
and man it takes a long time to load the notifications list :(
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@darkmatter fair enough.
If you wanted a general reply button anywhere in thread it would have to be a floating one that follows you around. Completely doable, but, honestly, not a fan of those myself.
You could probably just CSS it in actually, can't try now, mobile.
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@Onyx said:
Completely doable, but, honestly, not a fan of those myself.
don't see why it can't be in that massive top bar of uselessness that doesn't even show the topic's title after you scroll down.
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@darkmatter said:
doesn't even show the topic's title after you scroll down.
which I imagine is why in one of the other topics someone said they weren't browsing node bb in nearly as many tabs... kind of a pain in the butt to tell which tab is what thread unless you're at the very top or very bottom.
especially here where the actual topic of the thread rarely survives past the first 10 posts.
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@darkmatter said:
that massive top bar of uselessness
This bar bugs me. I'll only ever use Categories, Unread, and Recent. Can the other buttons be moved behind a hamburger and replaced with more useful buttons?
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@NedFodder I intend to try and figure out how to build plugins tonight. Sounds like a project...
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@NedFodder said:
@darkmatter said:
that massive top bar of uselessness
This bar bugs me. I'll only ever use Categories, Unread, and Recent. Can the other buttons be moved behind a hamburger and replaced with more useful buttons?
Not replaced with a hamburger, IIRC, but you can edit those, even without a plugin. It's an admin setting
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@sloosecannon does it put in the title if you do? If it does, why hasn't it been changed yet, damn it?
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@sloosecannon Cool. Just like @cartman82, I finally caved in and installed Stylish, which has fixed a lot of my problems with NodeBB (including this one). I have much less to complain about today!
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@Onyx no, unfortunately
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@julianlam said:
@LB_ Yes, though if we didn't use that bar, and updated the topics list every time a new post was made, then you'd really never be able to click on a post with confidence that the DOM element will actually stay put under your mouse
I don't know what, exactly, the solution is, @julianlam, but there's probably a better way to do it.
I mean, Discurse did the same thing, so I'm not singling NodeBB out here. FWIW I mostly like NodeBB better so far, but I wish there were a few things different--I miss
s (aside: looks like the :badges: emoji's gone?) and such.I was going to post a couple of more issues on Github, but the browser forgot my password, and my GH account is not properly associated with my email so I can't yet.
OH, but wait, now that I'm at home, I'm still logged in to GH. Muahaahahahah.
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@FrostCat said:
OH, but wait, now that I'm at home, I'm still logged in to GH.Better fix that email association.
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@Onyx said:
If you wanted a general reply button anywhere in thread it would have to be a floating one that follows you around. Completely doable, but, honestly, not a fan of those myself.
I think the reply should be a drop down. Default is reply to the post. Additional options to reply to the topic and to reply as a new topic.
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@boomzilla works for me.
It's like nodeBB is trying to encourage you to post 30 separate responses in a row for each thing you want to respond to, instead of responding with a general or grouped response to the entire thread... which would be the opposite of dischorse, so there's probably some merit to that idea.
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@darkmatter said:
It's like nodeBB is trying to encourage you to post 30 separate responses in a row for each thing you want to respond to, instead of responding with a general or grouped response to the entire thread
Grouped responses are possible, like so:
@boomzilla said:
I think the reply should be a drop down. Default is reply to the post. Additional options to reply to the topic and to reply as a new topic.
That would be a good change
@NedFodder said:
Just like @cartman82, I finally caved in and installed Stylish, which has fixed a lot of my problems with NodeBB (including this one). I have much less to complain about today!
Stylish is damn useful :)
How did I do it? Simple: I highlighted the bits I wanted to quote and clicked 'reply'. Three posts, three reply buttons, one reply ;)
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@darkmatter said:
It's like nodeBB is trying to encourage you to post 30 separate responses in a row for each thing you want to respond to, instead of responding with a general or grouped response to the entire thread.
Not sure about that. You can still pretty easily post replies to multiple things, thought the attribution isn't good (period, but worse for quotes from separate posts).
I think what's really going on is that most of their users have short topics so this problem of only having stuff at the beginning and end isn't really a big deal. Which is hilarious, because they handle big topics sooooo much better than discourse.
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@RaceProUK said:
Grouped responses are possible, like so:
yes, i know. but if it's a grouped response to multiple people, I'd prefer to respond to the topic in general rather than singling out of of those people to be my special reply-to bunny. Call it CDO or something.
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I think you can do the same is Discourse; build the multi-response, then click the big Reply at the bottom of the thread to make it a thread reply instead of a post reply
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@RaceProUK that takes a lot of patience. especially in the topics that are multi-thousand posts long. if you don't want to skip to the end and lose your read-to place, you'd have to go back to the top instead.
An annoyance for something that is so easily fixed by putting a general reply button on any of the 25% of the screen that's just blank space, or adding it as a dropdown option off reply (like how the "Reply as Topic" option exists on the bottom. Speaking of which, how come you can't "Reply as Topic" to any middle-of-the-thread posts instead of to the OP?
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@darkmatter said:
that takes a lot of patience. especially in the topics that are multi-thousand posts long.
It also requires you to have a large enough screen that the mahoosive reply panel doesn't take up 99% of available space.
On my machine here, if I resize the reply pane such that it doesn't run off the bottom of the screen, I can see an entire SEVEN lines of text in the main pane. And that only if that's a single paragraph spanning seven lines. If there's para breaks and the like, it's closer to four lines.
This interface is fucking retarded.
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@CreatedToDislikeThis said:
The icon for hiding the reply window is a red (+)?
I can't parse what a red (+) could even mean in general! Add something while breaking something else?It means Red Boob with Nipple Tape
