Bill and Ted and Cartman's Maccellent Adventure
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is "natural" about the default OS X scroll direction?So there's two mental models at work here:
The classic Mouse mental model, which is to say, I want to travel down the page, so I scroll downward. If the page is an giant scroll unrolled on the wall and I am standing in a raised platform, I lower the platform down so I can read more below the bottom of the viewport.
The "natural" model says, the scroll is open before me on the wall, and I am standing on the floor. My position is fixed, and I move the page itself upward to see more unrolled from the bottom, by reaching out and dragging the paper upward.
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TIL: When you press Cmd+Up or Cmd+Down, your windows arrange themselves on the screen, so you can easily switch between windows of the same application or manipulate spaces.
Fine.
But if you hold Shift as well, the exact same thing happens, except with very very slow animations.
Only you, Apple. Only you.
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The classic Mouse mental model, which is to say, I want to travel down the page, so I scroll downward. If the page is an giant scroll unrolled on the wall and I am standing in a raised platform, I lower the platform down so I can read more below the bottom of the viewport.
Wow you're seeing this backwards and upside down.
The mouse model is that you're moving your "viewport" into the document, via the thumb in the scrollbar. The entire vertical length of the scrollbar is the document, and the highlighted rectangle is your view into it. "Standing on a platform with a giant paper scroll? And then the platform moves?" WTC.
I do admit that scrollwheels (which manipulate the scrollbar's thumb without requiring the mouse pointer to be over it) kind of fuck up the metaphor.
Of course modern kiddies don't fucking know how scrollbars work or are supposed to work, as evidenced by THIS FUCKING FORUM SOFTWARE.
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But if you hold Shift as well, the exact same thing happens, except with very very slow animations.
It's done that since like 10.2. Anything that's animated, Shift will slow down the animations. I assume it's debugging code that someone forgot to remove? No idea why you'd want that.
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I do admit that scrollwheels (which manipulate the scrollbar's thumb without requiring the mouse pointer to be over it) kind of fuck up the metaphor.
No, the scrollwheel directly manipulates the document content. Rolling the top of the wheel toward you makes the back of it roll upward, dragging the content with it.
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No, the scrollwheel directly manipulates the document content.
I don't know what definition of the term "directly manipulate" you're using here but... no?
The only way to "directly" manipulate on-screen information is via a touchscreen (and even there you could debate how direct that is, but I digress), and the touchscreen scenario is obvious and Apple, Microsoft, Android, etc have all implemented it in the obvious fashion.
Rolling the top of the wheel toward you makes the back of it roll upward, dragging the content with it.
... ok whatever. This is insane but I don't feel like debating it. (I mean, by that logic, pressing left on a game controller should make the character move right. And depressing the trigger should STOP firing the gun. Etc.)
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Do you even foosball?
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The only way to "directly" manipulate on-screen information is via a touchscreen (and even there you could debate how direct that is, but I digress), and the touchscreen scenario is obvious and Apple, Microsoft, Android, etc have all implemented it in the obvious fashion.
There are two mental models, and both work on desktops and laptops with mice and/or touchpads, though they give opposite results for which way you move to scroll down. It doesn't matter too much; you just learn one, and learn it very quickly (it's like a few hours of normal use to relearn). However, only one works sensibly in a touchscreen environment so that's winning overall…
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What model did you get? iMac?
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Do you even foosball?
He certainly doesn't metaphor. FWIW, I usually imagine the bottom of the wheel pushing the document as it spins, too.
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He certainly doesn't metaphor.
Which is odd for one so GUI.
I usually imagine the bottom of the wheel pushing the document as it spins
Your neck will hurt less if you raise your screen into a vertical position :-)
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FWIW, I usually imagine the bottom of the wheel pushing the document as it spins, too.
Where are you people learning this shit?
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It's an interface. You just scroll down the page.
Next those guys will be telling us they consciously press every subsequent key on the keyboard while writing those posts.
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People think while typing?
Though I know one guy who does the hunt and peck deal. He's a programmer but I'm fairly sure it's medically related...
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People think while typing?
The internet demonstrates conclusively that they do not.
He's a programmer but I'm fairly sure it's medically related...
Programming is a medical condition?
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Things that annoy me about OS X today:
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I still can't get mouse wheel acceleration to work properly. It's too unresponsive when scrolling windows, and too sensitive when doing precision manipulations (eg. a volume control). There's no good setting in the Logitech control panel, and absolutely nothing to speak of at the system level (other than the Accessibility thing mentioned earlier, that helps a little bit). Even Linux, which is famous for its broken mouse wheel support, was less annoying than this.
So now I'm trying out some special proprietary drivers (SteerMouse and another one), that supposedly have an option to switch wheel scrolling to discreet units. Unfortunately, they seem to clash with Logitech's unifying drivers, which I'm stuck with. So even if I could swallow paying like $20 for SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE A TRIVIAL SETTING IN THE OPERATING SYSTEM, I can't.
And what fucking IDIOT decided they should start including this acceleration thing in every OS under the sun in the first place!? Did anyone ask for it? And if so, are they actually using the damn thing personally? Seriously, this isn't even a matter of taste. A bunch of scroll wheel widgets all over the desktop and internet are outright broken on account of this.
"It just works" MY ASS!
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Every time I restart, my desktop background reverts to system default. I tried deleting some magic settings file, my images aren't on an external disk, blah blah blah. No dice.
Why the fuck do I need to hack at this anyway. It's a fresh system install, something this simple should Just Work. Even the worst piece of shit Linux distro could handle something this simple.
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Remember when we were talking how Mac reliably restores closed windows after restart, "like magic"? Well, forget about that shit, my bad. I just restarted with 4 terminal windows, it came back with 5. Also, I couldn't click on them, and had to fiddle to make them responsive.
Ugh! This piece of shit OS is even more buggy than I expected from recent Mactard whinings.
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No, I think the hunt and peck might be though.
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@Arantor said:
People think while typing?
The internet demonstrates conclusively that they do not.
I guess some people may be spending so much brainpower on the physical act of typing they have none remaining to think about the content.
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how is babby formed?
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Even the worst piece of shit Linux distro could handle something this simple.
Ugh! This piece of shit OS is even more buggy than I expected from recent Mactard whinings.
It is the dawn of the Linux desktop
because no one cares about desktops anymore. All OSes get shittier everyday while Linux gets better ever so slightly.
It is like being a used car dealership and is an entirely different model. You just need to be better than expected, no need to be too shiny.
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Your neck will hurt less if you raise your screen into a vertical position
No, my imagination also has the power of orientation. No necks were strained in the making of this metaphor.
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@boomzilla said:
FWIW, I usually imagine the bottom of the wheel pushing the document as it spins, too.
Where are you people learning this shit?
Learning? I think I came up with that imagery on my own. Maybe I just have better proprioception and kinesthetic awareness than you?
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So can you write iOS apps on a hackintosh? If so, I might be interested in doing this next time out...
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Every time I restart, my desktop background reverts to system default. I tried deleting some magic settings file, my images aren't on an external disk, blah blah blah. No dice.
Why the fuck do I need to hack at this anyway. It's a fresh system install, something this simple should Just Work. Even the worst piece of shit Linux distro could handle something this simple.
Is the folder containing your selected pictures added to the list of selectable folders for wallpapers?
I had this issue on my Macbook for a while. There's two things I know of you can try to fix it:
Method One:
- Select your wallpaper from your choices in the Desktop folder.
- Then move your cursor down to solid colors and just click on it
- Close system preferences and restart.
This might fix it, there is apparently some bug in the system selector for this that causes that to happen.
Method Two:
Turn off auto-login if you have it enabled. Sometimes this bugs out and fucks your wallpaper back to default after a reboot.
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WAS ONCE AGAIN ANNOYED BY HOW HOME AND END LEAD YOU TO START OR END OF PAGE.
It would help if Discourse was reasonably quick in loading mostly text content, like other infiniscroll sites.
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Why would you think that? Why would you want that?
Tortoise Hg Mercurial whatever bullshit I lost track of after 10 names and subnames, flips out when you accidentally use different case for a merging folder, because it might be installed on linux.
This is windows you stupid source control, merge the damn folders.
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So can you write iOS apps on a hackintosh? If so, I might be interested in doing this next time out...
Yup, create an Apple account, use App Store, everything.
If Apple is able to detect your motherboard serial number doesn't match any of theirs or whatever, they keep quiet about it.
DISCLAIMER: Based on my experience of creating provisioning accounts and similar, on Snow Leppard, a while back. I know I can generate an ipa package, that can be distributed to test devices. I never tried something like a live debugger or anything like that.
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auto-login
bugs out and fucks your wallpaper back to default
WFT? How does that even happen?
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No frakkin clue. All I know is that sometimes, if you're set to auto-login after a reboot, it flakes out and "forgets" your desktop wallpaper setting.
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That's impressive.
That's basically equivalent to "If you leave your front door unlocked, sometimes the desk lamp falls over and breaks".
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Sweet. So what's the modern resource for doing this dumbassed shit? Presumably hardware choice matters quite a bit.
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Sweet. So what's the modern resource for doing this dumbassed shit? Presumably hardware choice matters quite a bit.
http://www.tonymacx86.com/building-customac-buyers-guide-february-2016.html
Everything you need is on that site.
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That's impressive.
That's basically equivalent to "If you leave your front door unlocked, sometimes the desk lamp falls over and breaks".
it wouldn't surprise me if it was a bug, deliberately added in there to chastise you for having autologin setup.
