🔥 Terrorists: we are being pressured by iPhones into creating Apple backdoor


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @sloosecannon said:

    Islamophobia is a thing

    Sure. But if you hear it used, it's probably safe to bet that it's being used the way I described it, not the way you would expect for most any other -phobia word.

    As in, "every time a Muslim shoots up a movie theater or office, CAIR takes to the airwaves to complain about Islamophobia."

    504 Gateway Timeout--buy a Dell instead!
    504 Gateway Timeout


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @DogsB said:

    The reg throw their opinion into the ring

    Are you sure that's not a parody article? The title isn't English gibberish.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @accalia said:

    but no one has ever attempted to show me why

    Well, the two big things are "it's not Windows so it won't get viruses" and "I hate the way Microsoft does things so Apple's OS has to be better".


  • FoxDev

    @brianw13a said:

    @accalia said:
    how is Windows functionally different than Linux?

    no, i'm serious here. What can Windows do that Linux can't? what can it do significantly better than Linux?

    Until i see a measurable difference her it's all ❄ thinking from where i stand. People have told me Windows is better for years now, but no one has ever attempted to show me why

    Other than Joe Random Public probably lacks the ability to install and administer any Linux installation for their personal PC? (something that has been getting better lately, but isn't there yet)

    not much difference from where i sit.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @aliceif said:

    I've used it and having to look in TWO control panels to find what you're looking for is user-unfriendly.

    Hands up, everyone who thinks this will stay this way forever and that Microsoft will never get around to putting everything into Settings.

    I mean, yes, it's a valid complaint, but Windows 10 has migrated much more into Settings than was in 8[.1].


  • FoxDev

    @FrostCat said:

    "it's not Windows so it won't get viruses"

    i run windows and i don't get viruses because i exersize smart browsing habits and don't open attachments from unknown people.

    @FrostCat said:

    "I hate the way Microsoft does things so Apple's OS has to be better".
    so.... personal preference.

    well if you are okay with your personal preferences costing you thousands of dollars... well it ain't my money so i don't care what you spend it on.

    I'm still going to tell you that you're spending it unwisely if you ask (or enthuse too much about apple around me.... i have my triggers too)



  • @FrostCat said:

    Hands up, everyone who thinks this will stay this way forever and that Microsoft will never get around to putting everything into Settings.

    And in 50 years we'll all have cybernetic implants running on Android, so your point is 🐄.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @sloosecannon said:

    No, Islamophobia is a certain presidential candidate saying we should prevent all Muslims from entering the country.

    Which is part of what he said. He also said that we needed to do that until we figured out :wtf: we were doing WRT immigration controls. Which makes a lot of sense when you consider that the San Berdue chick had about as many red flags as one could reasonably ask for, yet was still given her visa.

    But, yeah, easier to ignore the other stuff and yell Islamophobia. At least if you wanted to prove @FrostCat's point.



  • @accalia said:

    Other than Joe Random Public probably lacks the ability to install and administer any Linux installation for their personal PC?

    I'd say the same about Windows, just to a lesser degree.


  • FoxDev

    @brianw13a said:

    to a lesser degree

    in that Joe Random public generally does not have to install windows, and that the security defaults are far more lax allowing joe random public to install apps with a couple of clicks yes.

    Windows is more functional for Joe Random Public than Linux.

    can Joe Random Public properly administer their own PC.... probably not.



  • @FrostCat said:

    it's not Windows so it won't get viruses

    True, you get ransomware (see the Symantec's report on POC ransomware Mabouia) instead, and you don't get antivirus to block it from running.

    Btw, as long as there is enough people using a particular OS platform to make it profitable, those ransomware writers will eventually write their variant for it.


  • :belt_onion:

    Last reply so I don't turn this into a 🔥, but...

    How do you think we should even impose such a ridiculous restriction?

    Should we ask everyone as they enter the country if they're a Muslim? Do we do checks to see if they are? If so, where do we get that information? If not, the evil-doers could just lie their way in. It's an outrageous and inflammatory statement that could never be enforced in any kind of capacity, that just also happens to be Islamophobic.



  • @brianw13a said:

    I've purchased new printers and OS X installed when I attempted to print -

    I did that with a third party wireless printer on Windows 8...


  • Dupa

    @Magus said:

    I did that with a third party wireless printer on Windows 8...

    And I did that with a wireless printer connected to a different network on my calculator.

    It's a very good calculator.

    No, I won't sell it.

    Fuck you.



  • The point is, it's only Linux that isn't moving forward when it comes to making things easy.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @accalia said:

    i run windows and i don't get viruses because i exersize smart browsing habits and don't open attachments from unknown people.

    well, yes, but that's a :barrier: to -bashing.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @sloosecannon said:

    How do you think we should even impose such a ridiculous restriction?

    Just for the sake of discussion, if I had to implement such a thing, my first idea would be "nobody from countries like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia comes into the US", and I'd try to refine it from there.

    It's not as if the US hasn't halted immigration before, and it's not as if we don't have quotas in place for various countries.

    As far as Trump is going--at least he's saying "hey, there's a problem we should address, and that's that roughly all the terrorists in the world today are Muslim". Nobody else is even capable of admitting that there is a problem. You cannot come up with even a partial solution if you can't admit there's a problem.


  • Dupa

    @Magus said:

    The point is, it's only Linux that isn't moving forward when it comes to making things easy.

    You must be new to Linux.

    I don't know how things really stand when compared to Windows because I'm not a typical user, but Linux has gone a long way towards user-friendliness the past ten years.

    Everyone who says otherwise is a liar.



  • @kt_ said:

    You must be new to Linux.

    You tell me: Will I have a better experience with the latest KDE than I did two years ago?


  • Dupa

    @FrostCat said:

    Well, the two big things are "it's not Windows so it won't get viruses" and "I hate the way Microsoft does things so Apple's OS has to be better".

    Your straw man is on 🔥 . Better put it out before it burns the rest of your brain.


  • Dupa

    @Magus said:

    You tell me: Will I have a better experience with the latest KDE than I did two years ago?

    Two years ago? Which part of "new" and "ten years" did you not understand?

    Besides that, have no idea, I don't use KDE. Will you have better experience with elementary OS now compared to 2 years ago? Sure. 100%.



  • KDE was a very nice product. KDE4, early on, gave you an interface that was arguably better than Windows 7 when Windows 7 came out. It was very nice to deal with, and seemed like the beginning of something really cool. They even absorbed Beryl or Compiz or whatever it was called, that insane desktop special effects system, and made it into something useful (but flashy), which is really a good way to appeal to the average user.

    I have hardly used Linux in the past few years, but a friend of mine keeps trying. He installs new distros nearly weekly, trying to find something that works for him, because he really wants to like it better than Windows. He tries and tries. He's fully given up on KDE, though, because it is now simply an invitation for constant crashes.

    The most well recieved window managers for Linux at this point are Unity and Cinnamon: A painful fusion of phone and Mac on the one hand, and Windows XP on the other.

    Strides are not being made in usability over there. It's one giant Discourse-level mess. I really wish it wasn't.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @FrostCat said:

    @sloosecannon said:
    How do you think we should even impose such a ridiculous restriction?

    Just for the sake of discussion, if I had to implement such a thing, my first idea would be "nobody from countries like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia comes into the US", and I'd try to refine it from there.

    Yeah, you start with the countries of origin. You eliminate obviously stupid policies like, "Don't look at public facebook postings." Unlike the typical gun control law, that's the sort of policy that actually would have stopped an actual crime.

    @FrostCat said:

    You cannot come up with even a partial solution if you can't admit there's a problem.

    👍


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @Magus said:

    He's fully given up on KDE, though, because it is now simply an invitation for constant crashes.

    That was true in the early days of 4.0 (which was never claimed to be ready for release). I run KDE 4.? (whatever Kubuntu 14.04 is, CBA to check) and can't recall any KDE related crash.

    But then, there are also people who still get Win10 BSODs, so...


  • Dupa

    @Magus said:

    I have hardly used Linux in the past few years, but a friend of mine keeps trying. He installs new distros nearly weekly, trying to find something that works for him, because he really wants to like it better than Windows.

    That's the mistake you're making. I'm not saying that Linux is better than Windows, that's a discussion I won't let myself get dragged into.

    All I'm saying is: Linux gets better in terms of usability. It's better than it used to be. End of story.

    Does it advance faster than Windows/OS X? Fuck off. Is it better than Windows/OS X? Fuck off. Is it better than it was 10 years ago. Yup. And also: fuck off.



  • @boomzilla said:

    That was true in the early days of 4.0 (which was never claimed to be ready for release). I run KDE 4.? (whatever Kubuntu 14.04 is, CBA to check) and can't recall any KDE related crash.

    But then, there are also people who still get Win10 BSODs, so...

    I don't know, most of my experience was with 4.1-4.3, and it was really stable. It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty nice.

    Now they're on some kind of monstrosity where there are three separate versions for everything, but it would be 5.x if it could be given an old number. I doubt Kubuntu is willing to risk the recent versions, because of the Discourse-ness of them.

    Which means that it has outdated software, and if you want to use the recent versions of anything, they will crash.


  • Dupa

    @Magus said:

    I doubt Kubuntu is willing to risk the recent versions, because of the Discourse-ness of them.

    You're wrong.

    Also, 14.04 is from an LTS from 2014, so no, it doesn't have the latest KDE.



  • I like how their logo is ❄


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @kt_ said:

    Your straw man is on 🔥 . Better put it out before it burns the rest of your brain.

    It's not my straw man. I'm just saying what Apple fanatics[1] would say.

    [1] note choice of word..


  • Dupa

    @Magus said:

    I like how their logo is ❄

    And they're no longer sponsored by Ubuntu, AFAIK.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @kt_ said:

    Also, 14.04 is from an LTS from 2014, so no, it doesn't have the lates

    Yep. If I understand correctly, the next LTE comes out in a couple of months, so I'll probably be upgrading in May or so.

    @Magus said:

    Which means that it has outdated software, and if you want to use the recent versions of anything, they will crash.

    Guess I'll find out. Chrome and FF certainly run fine with it. But, yeah, I'm interested in doing stuff, not being on an upgrade treadmill, so I run LTE.


  • Dupa

    @FrostCat said:

    It's not my straw man. I'm just saying what Apple fanatics[1] would say.

    [1] note choice of word..

    Do you know what Windows fanatics would say?

    And who said anything about fanatics?

    Question was asked: how is OS X better than Windows? Your answer was: "Apple users say: blaghblaghblagh viruses blaghblaghblagh hate Microsoft blaghblaghblagh" stupidity. And then you say: "that's what fanatics say."

    MAN!


  • Dupa

    @boomzilla said:

    Yep. If I understand correctly, the next LTES comes out in a couple of months, so I'll probably be upgrading in May or so.

    FTFY ;)

    BTW, yeah, LTSes get released every 2 years. They're freaking damn good.



  • @boomzilla said:

    Yep. If I understand correctly, the next LTE comes out in a couple of months, so I'll probably be upgrading in May or so.

    I hope it works well by then, since I really liked KDE. Still, I'm more likely to go with OpenSuse on the laptop I'll try it on.



  • How about Tumbleweeds? :D:D:D

    I think they must have a marketing team over at Novell: Tumbleweed and Leap? Seriously?


  • Dupa

    @Magus said:

    I hope it works well by then, since I really liked KDE. Still, I'm more likely to go with OpenSuse on the laptop I'll try it on.

    Make sure to choose the Leap version and not the Tumbleweed, unless you wanna tumble into some weeds.

    I know that the Leap release got mixed reviews, though: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/opensuse-42-1.html

    If you want to check out the state of Linux and not get burnt, don't go for Fedora or openSUSE. Check out Debian Stable or Ubuntu LTS instead. The former two tend to be too much on the bleeding edge and it's easy to get cut.

    Ubuntu GNOME, Kubuntu, Xubuntu (probably the best remix ever) and most of all: elementary OS. Those guys are doing something really great UX/UI-wise with Linux. This one is really nice to check out. Unfortunately doesn't run in VirtualBox, you'd need VMware Player for that.

    I don't know any distro with decent installer for Debian, though. 😕



  • @Polygeekery said:

    Oh, and you were way the hell off on resolution.

    2560x1600

    You could get a lot closer to 1080 by going down to the $1,100 model.

    So, 4 times the pixels on 3/4s the specs.... No problems there.

    It really comes down to usability. If you like the usability of Mac, you're going to defend the indefensible.

    If you like the usability of PC, you're going to prefer the specs anyway.

    If someone asks me "Android or iPhone", I say back, are you comfortable figuring stuff out on your own, or would you rather having your hand held?



  • @sloosecannon said:

    It's an outrageous and inflammatory statement that could never be enforced in any kind of capacity, that just also happens to be Islamophobic.

    Let's see, just about every mass terrorist attack has been a Muslim refugee.

    I don't think it's inflammatory to say, we need to figure this shit out.

    Oh, and before you false dilemma me. I'm totally cool with deporting American citizens for shooting up a school. Hell, let's dump a shit-ton of dirt into the Atlantic and make a second Australia. Maybe in 100 years when they're tired of their own shit, they'll build a country out of it.

    @sloosecannon said:

    How do you think we should even impose such a ridiculous restriction?

    We could start by saying no one from the Middle East.

    Show me a 3rd or 4th gen Muslim that's committed an act of terrorism in the states.

    Mostly n+1 gen Muslims that want to be stupid, fly TO the Middle East and join ISIS to die or be a slave-bride, only to try to escape later.

    That's not a problem for us.

    Have you been paying attention to Saudis?

    Everyone has their head in the sand thinking we can't have a big international crisis because we're all safe in our ivory towers.


  • FoxDev

    @xaade said:

    Let's see, just about every mass terrorist attack has been a Muslim refugee.

    Three words: Irish Republican Army.


  • Dupa

    @RaceProUK said:

    Three words: Irish Republican Army.

    You're ruining all the fun for our American friends. Shame on you!

    BTW: Euskadi Ta Askatasuna (ETA)



  • Can you point me to when they last attacked in America?

    I have something from the FBI in 1942... and an American IRA asking for hostilities to stop.



  • @kt_ said:

    Make sure to choose the Leap version and not the Tumbleweed, unless you wanna tumble into some weeds.

    Worst naming ever, I guess. Leap sounded to me like leaping to recent versions, rather than getting old stable ones...

    @kt_ said:

    Ubuntu GNOME, Kubuntu, Xubuntu (probably the best remix ever) and most of all: elementary OS. Those guys are doing something really great UX/UI-wise with Linux.

    TDEMSEYR. Unity, Gnome, KDE, and Cinnamon are UI/UX. Only to the extent that they share team members do the distros that contain them have anything to do with this.

    Which actually contributes to the mess, unfortunately. It ought to be helping to solve it.


  • Dupa

    @Magus said:

    TDEMSEYR. Unity, Gnome, KDE, and Cinnamon are UI/UX.

    I was talking about elementary OS. They're doing their own UI/UX. Check it out: http://elementary.io/




  • Dupa

    Your hand is shaking while writing. Do you have Parkinson's disease?



  • My wooden table is really unstable.



  • @xaade said:

    Let's see, just about every mass terrorist attack has been a Muslim refugee.

    Er, what? For Muslims we've got Boston Marothon, the two WTC bombings, San Bernadino, and the Chattanooga shootings, exactly what other events have been attributed to Muslims.

    Meanwhile on the other side, we've got Oklahoma City, Fort Hood, Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood, the Charleston church shooting, anthrax letters, ricin letters, dozens of abortion clinic bombings and shootings, several church bombings, etc.

    The only thing consistent about terrorism is that it's linked to right-wing extremists and left-wing extremists. We don't have to be on the look out for Muslims. We have to be on the look out for extremists.


  • Dupa

    @BaconBits said:

    Meanwhile on the other side, we've got Oklahoma City, Fort Hood, Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood, the Charleston church shooting, anthrax letters, ricin letters, dozens of abortion clinic bombings and shootings, several church bombings, etc.

    Seems that keeping Muslims and Americans out of the USA would solve your problems.



  • @kt_ said:

    Seems that keeping Muslims and Americans out of the USA would solve your problems.

    Logical Racism: None of those exist.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @boomzilla said:

    But then, there are also people who still get Win10 BSODs, so...

    But they're probably running Lunix hardware so would also have crashes with KDE.


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