The Official Woody Woodpecker Thread
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I actually don't know. Considering you are legally required to update your residency status and all that jazz if it ever changes, I have no idea why regular identification cards expire. Driver's licenses, sure, but not ID cards.
It forces the photo to be updated, for one. And the rest of the information.
Updating the address on your driving license is legally required here, but that doesn't mean people don't forget or ignore it.
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having gone to kill people for Uncle Sam is still hardly a reason for respect.
Sarcasm? Or no?
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Sarcasm? Or no?
Hey, war is bad, man! <exhales>
Didn't you get the memo, like, 50 years ago?
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at worst they were mildly inconvenienced and just said "Fuck it" and chose not to vote.
Since voting is a measure of aggregated choices, it makes very little sense to analyze the outcomes of any given voting access policy by pointing the finger of blame at individuals. All sides of any given contest are going to have a spread in any measure of how committed they are to voting; if you were to make voting uniformly harder across an entire voting population, all sides would see an increase in the "Fuck it" non-vote, and the expected outcome would be unaffected.
If you make voting harder for any one side in any given contest, you'll bias the outcome of the vote against that side's interests. Blaming feckless people who should have got off their arses and voted their interest regardless of inconvenience is not justifiable; the non-disadvantaged sides will in general have about the same proportion of such people. If the rules are constructed in such a way as to make voting less convenient for one side than for others, then the vote is rigged.
In Australia we sidestep this kind of issue by treating the casting of votes as a civic duty rather than an optional exercise in self-interest. Once you're on the electoral rolls, if you don't get your name crossed off the lists at a voting booth on election day, you'll get a letter in the mail a few weeks later demanding to know why, and if you can't provide a satisfactory excuse you'll get fined a hundred bucks or so. This means that turnout at Australian elections is generally well over 80% even if you include people who have managed to avoid getting onto the rolls.
Which in turn means, of course, that the Will of the People includes the will of a hell of a lot of ill-informed, apathetic dimwits who really couldn't give a shit about policy. The upside of that is that pre-election advertising in Australia is more about raising awareness of the alleged consequences of policy than it is about merely getting people riled up enough to bother voting. This is probably the main reason why US electoral campaigns look so bizarrely clown-shoes from our point of view.
Generally if you're going to rig an election in Australia, the only feasible way to do that is by manipulating electoral boundaries. The former Bjelke-Petersen government in the Australian state of Queensland was absolutely notorious for doing that, and it was in fact the main thing that kept the conservative Queensland Nationals in power in a historically Labor state for such a long time.
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Voter ID cards are free, to the best of my knowledge
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I know when I go, they have me down on their printed list. I show them my drivers license and tell them my address.
In Australia, the usual procedure is simply to tell the polling official what your name and address is, then watch as they put a strike mark across it in their list.
We kick up a hell of a stink every time a Government tries to introduce anything like a unified national ID card. There'll be none of that "your papers please" shit here, TYVM.
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We kick up a hell of a stink every time a Government tries to introduce anything like a unified national ID card. There'll be none of that "your papers please" shit here, TYVM.
Ditto.
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if you can't provide a satisfactory excuse you'll get fined a hundred bucks or so
Sorry, but that sounds fucking moronic. Why do they take away my right to NOT FUCKING BOTHER?
Which in turn means, of course, that the Will of the People includes the will of a hell of a lot of ill-informed, apathetic dimwits who really couldn't give a shit about policy.
QFT
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Why do they take away my right to NOT FUCKING BOTHER?
They don't take away your right to not fucking bother. Australian citizens have no such right, and haven't done since 1924. Voting is seen as a civic duty here, like jury service and paying taxes.
If you want to make a principled non-voting stand and still avoid the fine, you just turn up, get your name crossed off, then cast an invalid vote. Nobody is standing over you to make sure you fill in the ballot paper correctly. In fact we've been using secret ballots longer than the US has.
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QFT
Of course, in a system where most elections are decided on the basis of which side can get the most voters off their arses on election day, the Will of the People still includes the will of a hell of a lot of ill-informed dimwits who really couldn't give a shit about policy and just vote for the same team as their Daddy always did, or for the candidate with the best eyebrows or whatever.
Democracy really is the worst way to govern a country... except for all the other ways.
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Which in turn means, of course, that the Will of the People includes the will of a hell of a lot of ill-informed, apathetic dimwits who really couldn't give a shit about policy. The upside of that is that pre-election advertising in Australia is more about raising awareness of the alleged consequences of policy than it is about merely getting people riled up enough to bother voting. This is probably the main reason why US electoral campaigns look so bizarrely clown-shoes from our point of view.
I always found compulsory voting outrageous and by itself one of the better arguments to cast an invalid vote (in Brazil they harass you quite a bit worse than with a fine), but from that perspective it kinda makes sense. Although the US is really a special case there; European countries without compulsory votes still get by without all that clownery.Edit: fixed leftover fragment about Brazil
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You're so high up on your high horse, that whenever you see something that you perceive as wrong, you need to criticize. You just have your own vision of ideal world and you wish that everything worked the way you want it to.
Sorry, but that sounds fucking moronic. Why do they take away my right to NOT FUCKING BOTHER?
heh.
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heh
Yup, but I won't spend the rest of the day explaining to you in a high-pitched voice that people are being disrespected and that there's a conspiracy against certain groups of people, and that the law should be change right now, etc.
Oh,I almost forgot: and you took it out of the context! YOU'RE TWISTING MY WORDS ARGHHHH!!!!
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I always found compulsory voting outrageous
Meh. If compulsory attendance at the local Mechanics' Hall every couple of years is the price I have to pay for not having anything like the Trump bandwagon in my country, I'm more than happy to pay it.
I mean, it doesn't stop the clowns from trying but it does mean that none of them is ever actually at risk of ending up in charge. Or so I thought until a couple of years ago. The natural order of things has reasserted itself now, though, which makes me happy; we still have a Prime Minister I fundamentally disagree with on any number of issues but I no longer wish to curl up and die of embarrassment every time he opens his mouth... or fails to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ
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Meh. If compulsory attendance at the local Mechanics' Hall every couple of years is the price I have to pay for not having anything like the Trump bandwagon in my country, I'm more than happy to pay it.
I can't see how compulsory voting would change any of that. No one has actually voted for anoyone yet.
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@flabdablet said:
Meh. If compulsory attendance at the local Mechanics' Hall every couple of years is the price I have to pay for not having anything like the Trump bandwagon in my country, I'm more than happy to pay it.
I can't see how compulsory voting would change any of that. No one has actually voted for anoyone yet.
Actually, thinking about it, compulsory voting seems like it would make that sort of thing more likely. I'm sure he has better name recognition than anyone in the list, probably including Hillary.
we still have a
Prime MinisterPresdent I fundamentally disagree with on any number of issues but I no longer wish to curl up and die of embarrassment every time he opens his mouth... or fails to:FTFM
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I can't see how compulsory voting would change any of that.
Trump is all about being Something Other Than A Conventional Politician, apparently in an effort to get people who would otherwise have a jaded view of the outcome of any election excited enough about the novelty to consider actually turning up at the polls. In Australia, that shit really wouldn't fly anywhere near as well; most people turn up at the polls anyway and vote their actual preference. No Australian party machine would even come close to putting up a Trump. There's just no percentage in it for them.
The last time this country had anything like Trumpian levels of personality-politics rah-rah was before the election of Gough Whitlam in 1972; the main difference there being that Whitlam, far from being a self-serving empty-headed clown, was a skilled and canny communicator with a clear and very popular reform agenda for a country grown weary of the born-to-rule silver-spoon types and their grubby little adventure in Vietnam.
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In Australia, that shit really wouldn't fly anywhere near as well; most people turn up at the polls anyway and vote their actual preference.
So many people already have no real preference. I'm sure being forced to vote for "normal" politicians would just make someone like him even more interesting.
The last time this country had anything like Trumpian levels of personality-politics rah-rah
We still have the last guy like that in office. It might be the new normal, but I would also add that not a single vote has been cast for Trump at this point (head over to the Swedish idiom thread to pick your favorite). But you guys also have a very small country and I suspect the relative scales have a big influence on that.
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(in Brazil they harass you quite a bit worse than with a fine)
If you miss voting you can make things right by paying a fine, that I think is under US$ 50. (minimal wage is around US$ 200/mo).
If you don't pay the fine you may not receive your salary if you work for government, making/renewing a passport or ID, or any other documentation, and more.
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"Norway might have considered banning the use of live worms as fish bait if the study had found they felt pain"
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If you don't pay the fine you may not receive your salary if you work for government, making/renewing a passport or ID, or any other documentation, and more.
That last bit was what got my wife a couple of times. She was born in Brazil but hasn't lived there for many years so sometimes she just missed some election. And when she didn't it, wasn't enough to send a letter to the embassy saying, hey, I'm living on an island in the middle of fucking nowhere, about eight hours flight and bus and boat and more buses from the embassy, please exempt me—no, you had to turn up every time and justify that shit again in writing or they won't process any documents.
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I mean, that's basically the founding principles of any form of government. Respecting one another.
Including Stalinist dictatorships?
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I'm fairly certain I haven't had any process for a lookup of a single entry from a database take more than five seconds since the days of dial-up, and that was probably more due to the bandwidth to receive the response than anything.
What happens when thousands of hits are being made to the same database every second? What happens if a transaction locks a row being requested? What if the search query is a
LIKEcondition against several columns? What if Internet connectivity is shitty in the vicinity?I'm not a DBA
Finally, we can agree on something!
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Okay, then people are probably unique by Name+Birthdate+ID number.
I once had the pleasure of dealing with a database containing two Chinese twins who had the same first, middle, last name, and birthdate, of course. Yes, their parents were jerks. The only way to tell them apart was their surrogate key ID.
Filed under: you are numbers
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the address on your driving license
You have that? I only have my address on my car's "technical passport" - I don't know whether you guys have such stuff or what it's called properly - basically a car ownership document with data about the car itself, the owner, and the legal holder (if not the same as owner).
Driver's license doesn't have a lot of fancy stuff - name; dates (birth, issue, expiry); serial number; transport categories; limitations, if any. I thought it's the same throughout EU.
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the usual procedure is simply to tell the polling official what your name and address is, then watch as they put a strike mark across it in their list.
Wait, so I come to vote, say "Hello, I'm flabdablet, I live under a bridge (as us trolls usually do)" and they strike you from the list.
Later you come to vote and they arrest you for voting fraud.
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Fox:
I'm not a DBAFinally, we can agree on something!
Thats lazy, we can argue that anyone in IT have administered some database somewhere
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You have that?
Yeah. No national ID card so AFAIK it's the only Government-issued photo ID most people have with their address on.I don't know whether you guys have such stuff or what it's called properly - basically a car ownership document with data about the car itself, the owner, and the legal holder
Yeah we have the registration certificate.
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Yeah we have the registration certificate.
That movies were the man just pay the car salesman and leaves driving a new car arent realistic then?
Transformers confused me with that, how the dealer didnt detect anything wrong if he didnt have the papers for that yellow camaro that appeared from nowhere?
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Including Stalinist dictatorships?
Of course. Respect one another, or you will be sent to the gulags.
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how the dealer didnt detect anything wrong if he didnt have the papers for that yellow camaro that appeared from nowhere?
Dude just wanted his money.
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But is it a thing that can happen there?
Here you can have your car towed if you dont carry your papers, nobody just enter a car dealer and leaves driving in the same day, need more bureocracy.
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But you guys also have a very small country
Calling 6th largest country in the world very small (when you yourself are 3rd) is very 'Murican.
If you are talking population, you have a bit more of a point, but 22 million is still a fucking lot and not what I'd call a very small country.
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But is it a thing that can happen there?
Selling a car without the paperwork? Not legally.
When you sell your car to someone else, you give them a small tear-off part of the registration certificate and send the rest off to the DVLA who send the new owner their certificate. The new owner drives away with the car there and then.
Similarly buying from a dealer, they give you a small tear off bit of the document, you drive off and get the document in the post.
There's a couple of minutes worth of form filling but you can just walk in, give them money and drive away minutes later.
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Stalinist dictatorships
They just wanted to make people equal ...by killing off everyone wealthier, smarter or more intelligent than the average.
So the core principles are not that different from the usual SJW agenda
On the other hand they didn't like gays much. <body too similar
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No national ID card so AFAIK it's the only Government-issued photo ID most people have with their address on.
There's no address printed on my ID. It's been a long time since I read the chip and I don't have the software at the moment but I don't recall noticing the address there.
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Around here the address is on the chip.
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I've just tried to read my ID card (eh, still more fun than doing work, right?). Also, having card readers strewn everywhere comes handy at times.
My name, surname, personal identification number (think SSN), issuing agency's name, issue and expiry dates is pretty much all that's available in plaintext.
A bunch of certificates for authentication, signing.
There's some sort of encoded data which might have more info but I'm kind of doubtful.
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The offline tool just throws an error
I don't care enough to investigate further ... I only need at as an online token.
But I know that after moving you have to visit the municipal offices to change the address on the card.
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Asshole ... you made me care enough to install Java again
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you made me care enough to install Java again
*shudder*
I would never willingly inflict such pain on any person (yes, that includes even Belgians).
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It beats writing a vision for 2016 document when 'same as 2015' is apparently not an answer.
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It beats writing a vision for 2016 document when 'same as 2015' is apparently not an answer.
Can't you just put "same as 2015" in a nice frame or heck, do a WordArt of it or something in the new document?
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It beats writing a vision for 2016 document when 'same as 2015' is apparently not an answer.
Just find the "vision for 2015" document and do a Find & Replace on the year.
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yes but no but ...
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The chip contains a lot of info but it might be encrypted.
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If we are doing show and tell:
The signing certificate expired in March but the card itself is still valid.
I couldn't be bothered to renew the certificate because I can do it either in the immigration office or using some e-tool but then I need to find my PIN which is still in the envelope I got my ID in which is ...tucked somewhere with the rest of the "important" documents. Taking into consideration I've never used this card for signing, it seemed worthless to spend an evening rummaging through the shelves.
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The info you showed is under the card & certificates tab on mine
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OK, maybe they could have some more data on the card and just not expose it in the UI here, but again, I doubt it.
Nobody asked me any info when I applied for the card, apart from my height (which is printed on the ID).
BTW that's another
: why do they have only height and sex printed on the ID - why not other distinguishing features, like eye colour, hair colour, race, etc. Why is height so important?
