Hackers can take over any Chrysler vehicle from the last 2 years. Yes, fully remotely. Yes, including steering, brakes and transmision.
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Hey, I never said anything like that. But let's be honest, the technical know how is way beyond most of the nutjobs who'd do this. If you had the skills, you'd probably be better off making better ATM skimmers.
Maybe once enough cars have the capability, this could become sort of a thing. I'll still be more worried about bugs that cause malfunction than black hats, though.
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If you say so. I'd rather not have my car being remotely exploitable.
I'd rather not be the victim of a sporting event catastrophe. Neither of them concern me.
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the technical know how is way beyond most of the nutjobs who'd do this
And if black hats based in, say, China or Russia, decided to take advantage of this attack vector?
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I'd rather not be the victim of a sporting event catastrophe. Neither of them concern me.
You probably think that it's easier to make a bomb than this. Oh, well.
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Maybe once enough cars have the capability
How many cars are potentially affected by this particular Chrysler issue? Multiply that by the entire fleet. We're already at "enough cars".
Here's a story from Bruce Schneier 5 years ago about hacking cars via wireless TPMS, although the vulnerability is rather limited.
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Forget it. They're still at the "no rational person would do this!" stage.
Some are even at the "there is no problem!" stage.
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Tim McVeigh blew up an entire six story building with a few thousand dollars of materials and a bomb recipe that's been around for hundreds of years. It's not hard, just extraordinarily uncommon.
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@antiquarian said:
The NHTSA would like to have a word with you, e.g. "WTF do you think we're doing, playing checkers?"
Well, considering their track record for electronic security in cars, that may very well be the case.
ineffective regulations != no regulations
It's not exactly a laissez-faire free-for-all is my point.
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How many cars are potentially affected by this particular Chrysler issue? Multiply that by the entire fleet. We're already at "enough cars".
Since there's no evidence of an epidemic of car hacking, I don't think we are.
And if black hats based in, say, China or Russia, decided to take advantage of this attack vector?
Make sure Iran gets the bomb?
Some are even at the "there is no problem!" stage.
It's true, we're not at the hysteria stage like you, where you can't even understand what people are saying, which isn't "there is no problem."
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OK. How traceable are purchases of bomb-making materials, and how traceable would a remote sploit of a vehicle be? Not to mention the fact that to plant a bomb somewhere, you need to go there (Scene: investigators pore over days of video from cameras in the area), while this remote sploit, by definition, could be done from the other side of the planet.
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Yes, "hysteria". Right. Once again, the almighty boomzilla decides that because HE thinks there's no problem, no sir, no you must be wrong, it cannot be!
I think I'll put you on mute from now on.
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How traceable are purchases of bomb-making materials
Ammonium nitrate? They watch that shit like an army of hawks.
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Once again, the almighty boomzilla decides that because HE thinks there's no problem, no sir, no you must be wrong, it cannot be!
Why do you keep saying I think there's no problem?
I think I'll put you on mute from now on.
You're already not reading what I write. I think you'll find you can't mute me, however.
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Grease/Tampermonkey, my dear.
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I think you'll find you can't mute me, however.
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How traceable are purchases of bomb-making materials
Diesel fuel and fertilizer? Both are purchased in significant quantities by millions of people every day. Neither McVeigh nor the Tsarnaevs were caught by tracing their purchases of explosive ingredients.
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Fuck! We need more regulations, dears!
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The fact still remains that you have to transport the bomb to wherever...
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Come on, dude, you know that's a non sequitur.
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Come on, dude, you know that's a non sequitur.
Your sarcasm detector appears to be broken.
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Your sarcasm detector appears to be broken.
Nah, I was aiming for a DGTJ . Shit, now I'll never get it...
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@antiquarian said:
Your sarcasm detector appears to be broken.
Nah, I was aiming for a DGTJ . Shit, now I'll never get it...@accalia has extra whoosh badges. Maybe she'll give you one if you ask nicely.
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Maybe she'll give you one if you ask nicely.
if you're talking about the whoosh s you don't even have to ask particularly nicely.
the only reason i still have the ■■■■■■■ers is @boomzilla won't transfer them to someone else.
something about that being this "work" thing i keep hearing about.
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@Rhywden said:
my dear
Oh look, you're going all Corporal Creepy again.
Can any other German speakers here confirm whether that's coming from a translation of a German idiom? Since that sort of usage (by a male) is mostly associated with Gone With The Wind, I guess it's racist now and we should stop it. Maybe someone can warn him?
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The fact still remains that you have to transport the bomb to wherever...
Those who insist on being afraid simply add the "suicide bomber" boogie man. Traceability is not a deterrent if you plan on dying in the blast and your group plans on taking credit for it.
Still, despite the viable horror scenario of a suicide bomber buying readily available bomb ingredients (maybe over a period of a few months to reduce suspicion) and renting a truck, driving it to a sporting event, and pushing the button - it hasn't happened in the past fourteen years in the US. Something similar happened in Madrid and London about ten years ago, but not since.
These things aren't rare because there are sufficient protections. They aren't rare because it's difficult. They are rare because there are very few people that want to do it. It's the same with hacking a car. Very few people are willing to hack into cars and kill people and I'm not concerned that people are going to start tomorrow.
On the other hand, hearing that they are getting software security so wrong offends me professionally. I know it can be done better and I'm all for applying pressure to nudge them in the right direction. I don't think it's time for government regulation to be that pressure. A small step like requiring insurance and letting the car companies and insurance companies attempt to calculate the risk would be OK with me.
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These things aren't rare because there are sufficient protections. They aren't rare because it's difficult. They are rare because there are very few people that want to do it. It's the same with hacking a car. Very few people are willing to hack into cars and kill people and I'm not concerned that people are going to start tomorrow.
You're forgetting Skynet.
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These things aren't rare because there are sufficient protections. They aren't rare because it's difficult. They are rare because there are very few people that want to do it. It's the same with hacking a car. Very few people are willing to hack into cars and kill people and I'm not concerned that people are going to start tomorrow.
You're forgetting one thing: Building a bomb is relatively complicated.
Loading software into a computer ... isn't.
Over here, we regularly have incidents where people throw stones and way bigger objects from bridges over highways. We have people loosen the screws on car wheels. We have people who create oil puddles in curves of the road. We have people who hang wires across mountain bikers' lanes at head height. We have people who throw poisoned meat or meat with razorblades in public parks for dogs to find. And so on and so forth.
I dare say that you're mistaken on how "few" such people really are.
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Over here, we regularly have incidents where people throw stones and way bigger objects from bridges over highways. We have people loosen the screws on car wheels. We have people who create oil puddles in curves of the road. We have people who hang wires across mountain bikers' lanes at head height. We have people who throw poisoned meat or meat with razorblades in public parks for dogs to find. And so on and so forth.
Seriously?
WTF.
Even the Russians aren't that bad.
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Even the Russians aren't that bad.
The Russians, those dears, probably have regulations against a lot of that shit.
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They have a lot of young men killing themselves from drunkenness and pointless stunts, like rolling under moving trains.
They don't pool oil in the roads or poison dog parks. WTF.
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There are some seriously disturbed people out there. As a result, I don't really fancy giving them another angle to exploit, particularly considering that they'd be able to get away scot-free.
Regarding the dogs, it has become so bad that people created a website just for that: http://www.giftkoeder-radar.com/
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They have a lot of young men killing themselves from drunkenness and pointless stunts, like rolling under moving trains and invading neighboring countries.
TUTFY
There are some seriously disturbed people out there.
Maybe it's for the best that the new airport doesn't work. I'd hate for those guys to get out.
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TUTFY
"The Ukraine" is actually not the name of the country. It's just Ukraine, you insensitive clod.
ETA: I am glad I have some self-control because I had a brief urge to edit the Wikipedia page to salt up the page.
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You're forgetting one thing: Building a bomb is relatively complicated.
Tim McVeigh's bomb was 55-gallon drums filled with ANFO (a fertilizer) and diesel fuel. You literally just pour both into a drum and light it on fire.
When I was young, we used to make pipe bombs by taking a used CO2 pellet gun cartridge, filling it with gunpowder, and sticking a wick in it. Blowing stuff up is not complicated - just dangerous. Remote detonation is moderately complicated, but a suicide bomber wouldn't go through the trouble.
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"The Ukraine" is actually not the name of the country. It's just Ukraine, you insensitive clod.
LOL...I remember there was a guy from Vox scolding people about saying "The Ukraine," and then his boss, Ezra Klein, tweeted about "The Ukraine." I thought I had posted about it here, but can't immediately find it.
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Btw, I'm surprised seems noone mentioned the possibility of having locks of internal sealed parts (also controlled by computer system in car so only mechanics working in authorized repair shop can open the cover and replace/repair it) opened. Wouldn't it be dangerous to have these parts opened when the car is on the road, moving?
IMO, having the carbinet doors opened (also controlled by computer system) while the car is running is dangerous enough.
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Your bet on the old cars get their firmwares updated?
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Everything Ezra Klein says is stupid.
Everything? Even in those private moments where he says something like “time for a beer”?
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ANFO (a fertilizer) and diesel fuel
ANFO is an acronym for Ammonium Nitrate (a fertiliser) and Fuel Oil (typically diesel).
You literally just pour both into a drum and light it on fire.
Nope, unless you just want to just make a huge soot cloud and nothing else. You need a decent detonator for ANFO, it is actually really insensitive.
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Everything? Even in those private moments where he says something like “time for a beer”?
He probably says that while driving.
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locks of internal sealed parts (also controlled by computer system in car so only mechanics working in authorized repair shop can open the cover and replace/repair it)
Whoa whoa whoa. That's a thing?
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Oh, nice. Off-the-shelve parts and a broadcast medium with a range measured in kilometers.
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Everything? Even in those private moments where he says something like “time for a beer”?
That would be the way to bet.