We need more stereotype-filling quotes
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This is the best example of how you misunderstand the culture.
A big topic in that show is overcoming body-shaming.
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And of course you also missed the entire point completely.
Japanese culture doesn't have the same perspective on the body and sex.
Part of the reason why the west sees a naked woman as an exploited woman, is because there was a great deal of suppression of sex in our history.
Turns out that when you stigmatize sex, you actually end up with more perversion of sex in your culture.
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Turns out that when you stigmatize sex, you actually end up with more perversion of sex in your culture.
K, so, she had tumblr links, and I was agreeing with you, but then you said this.
Tentacles.
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The kind of shaming you said doesn't exist in Japan?
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Not to the same degree.
And not for the same length of history.Don't forget, we had the puritans, which said if you enjoy it, then it's sin. (I guess they didn't read Song of Solomon).
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I mean, I guess you're saying that it isn't seen as bad there, whereas I misconstrued it as you saying they don't do such strange things there. Fair enough.
The kind of shaming you said doesn't exist in Japan?
Nowhere has body-shaming on par with tumblr, which campaigned against a fitness company for suggesting that healthy bodies are healthy, and using one on a billboard.
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So what you're saying is it's OK for the Japanese to treat women as sex objects because they never had to go through Puritanism?
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I mean, I guess you're saying that it isn't seen as bad there
That's a very simple way of putting it.
Thanks.
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Not at all.
What I'm saying is that they are capable of admiring a woman's sexuality without seeing her as an object.
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feminists.
They're the ones who see a beautiful woman and assume she didn't earn her place by merit, assume that someone is exploiting her, assume that she's powerless to even realize it is happening, and gladly white knight on her behalf, then claim all her success as their own.
All from their couch.
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I do agree that Japan frequently goes too far with it often enough, though. But I've never heard anyone complain about, say, the male characters in Kill la Kill, who frequently only wear belts.
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They'll point to TERA, then neglect to post pictures of the men in leather armor.
At least half the male armor is at least shirtless.And my gunner just upgraded her armor to a full plate version, that covers her completely.
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They're the ones who see a beautiful woman and assume she didn't earn her place by merit, assume that someone is exploiting her, assume that she's powerless to even realize it is happening, and gladly white knight on her behalf, then claim all her success as their own.
There's a difference between showing a beautiful woman and borderline softcore pornography
@Magus said:But I've never heard anyone complain about, say, the male characters in Kill la Kill, who frequently only wear belts.
Then let me be the first ;)
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There's a difference between showing a beautiful woman and borderline softcore pornography
To you.
The grey line is a little translated to the left in their culture.
To be clear I'm not saying I support it. At all.
I wish there was less fanservice in anime.
But its awful ironic for the tolerant culture to be so quick to judge other cultures with completely different histories.
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Well, I don't know, light-kun and darkness-kun and steam-kun get lots of roles these days. (censorship methods)
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Yeah, I don't have a single problem with a scene that implies a person is naked.
Steamed up showers, even in live-action movies, doesn't phase me.
Because most often, the comedy is in putting a guy that wants to respect a woman in situations that could be viewed as exploited the woman, to the unaware.
And then getting hit with the ACME mallet.
I find that funny.... every time.
Infinite Stratos, girl starts swinging sword at boy in dorm room. Boy picks up a sword to block. Picked up sword has a bra on it.
Oh, why me?
Hilarious.
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I wish there was less fanservice in anime.
So much effort goes into it above all else that you really get some awful results at times. I'd rather they spent more time on plot.
Steamed up showers, even in live-action movies, doesn't phase me.
That's different. I'm talking about the 'wait for the blurays' kind, added only because they can't air it otherwise. Though that kind can also be badly done to the point of being funny.
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So much effort goes into it above all else that you really get some awful results at times.
There are some to just avoid.
Like Freeze on Netflix.
They don't even take the time to explain why the enemy attacks.
If clothes get damaged once, I'll put it aside, but if it's two fights in a row, I know that it's that kind of anime.
Netflix now has three different franchises based around entirely that.
However, I did notice that there are just as many anime based on gore porn, but there's much less stigma for that.
In fact, check out Game Theorists Boobs Not Blood video.
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The best darkness-kun example was in Terraformars, which is in fact all about killing humanoid cockroaches. Sometimes, half the screen was black. So much gore.
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Mugen is that fighting game engine that lets you combine characters from different 2D fighting games.
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In addition to those:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aVvETNngco
"Lesson one: women are garbage."
"No. Lesson one: women are objects. Lesson two: you can treat them like garbage."
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And of course you also missed the entire point completely.
Japanese culture doesn't have the same perspective on the body and sex.
Probably true; what perspective do they have?
Part of the reason why the west sees a naked woman as an exploited woman, is because there was a great deal of suppression of sex in our history.
Ok...
Turns out that when you stigmatize sex, you actually end up with more perversion of sex in your culture.
I've seen Japanese porn. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.
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What I'm saying is that they are capable of admiring a woman's sexuality without seeing her as an object.
How is that different than the US?
Again: Milla Jovovich.
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I don't think they've ever cleared up the mystery surrounding the name of that thing. Since 'mugen' is infinite in japanese, but M.U.G.E.N. is spelled with dots IIRC. I don't think anyone cares enough to ask the question.
I've seen Japanese porn. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.
He means 'percieved perversion', but he's saying it wrong.
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Like Freeze on Netflix.
Oh God. Netflix is OBSESSED with that anime-porn, they keep putting it on my "you might like this" list. No Netflix. No I will not like it. I can tell from the goddamned IMAGE on the goddamned DVD COVER I will never like this.
Netflix now has three different franchises based around entirely that.
There's also "Queen's Blade" IIRC. Same deal. It's basically porn, Netflix somehow thinks I'll love it because I watched Futurama. WTF.
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He means 'percieved perversion', but he's saying it wrong.
So Japanese people don't perceive tentacles as perversion? Or... I'm more confused than ever.
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What he was trying to say is, Japanese society has to go a lot further to consider something equally perverse.
The result is that it's just worse in general to westerners.
Good.............................Bad W: . J: .
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"Queen's Blade"
THAT'S the thing I was trying to remember earlier. Thanks!
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I don't think there's anyone who disagrees that that one is bad. Though I will admit, Yousei Teikoku did a song for one of the games, and it's a good song. Gekkakou is probably the only good thing in any way related to it.
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What he was trying to say is, Japanese society has to go a lot further to consider something equally perverse.
Right; but what does this have to do with Ghost in the Shell's movie posters all featuring huge tits?
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He's saying that that isn't considered so negative there I guess?
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Selling a movie with sex isn't considered negative here. I mean was there some huge protest I missed about Transformers 2 and that Megan Fox motorcycle scene?
But it's not something you do when selling a movie as "intellectual". Which was the original claim about Ghost in the Shell I was addressing.
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In Ghost in the Shell Arise, they mostly focused on her big [spoiler]Surface[/spoiler], so perhaps they've gotten better over time.
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But it's not something you do when selling a movie as "intellectual".
Maybe because the plot is actually about a squad that investigates high-profile hackers in a world where your physical body is about as throw-away as a soiled towel.
And the fact that the whole background involves the ability of hackers to change your perception of the universe.
Good comment here
Nudity in GITS is often two fold, it has a profane identity,
sexuality, arousal, visually pleasing aesthetics… but it also has a
sacred aspect as well, vulnerability, a baring of the soul, the
fragility of the human form.
And what frequently gets lost is the fact that the Major is the
chosen example of this approach. We don’t see the male characters in
nude examples because, rather frankly, they aren’t Masamune’s chosen
vehicle to address or express this particular philosophy.
From the lesbian sex scenes in the comics to the tank scene in the
first film to the scene in the TV series’ first season where she shares a
bed with a young boy . . . they’re all vulgar, to some degree, but all
showcase something else very important: the Major doesn’t care about her
body, at all. The body is a tool. It’s a shell, as the franchise title
tells us, within which a universe of (purportedly) human personality is
said to exist.Fact of the matter is a man watching a woman naked, that he is brought to identify with (because she is so obviously asexual that anyone can identify with her), feel more vulnerable than a man watching a man naked.
And that's what is being tapped into here.
I'm sorry, but I'm not aroused by GitS1 at all. Neither am I aroused by the posters, advert, preview. In fact the exact opposite happens. I suddenly feel divorced from it, and see it as something external. In fact, it is quite liberating.
The plainness of the nudity, the lack of concern the main character shows for it, wires my brain to not care about it either.
It actually allows me to view a naked woman and get past sexuality and see a person, a person that's just standing there and not giving a shit.
And that's what I like about it.
Anyone who thinks that GitS is fanservice, isn't mature enough to handle the content or message.
I see the nudity as identical to the gore of Evangelion. It's there to divorce you from the feelings those images usually create.
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You are a crazy-person.
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Let me guess.
You don't see the nature vs. nurture debate in Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2?
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I don't play shitty Japanese anime games.
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usually this is more fun.
This time it's just boring...
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You trying to assign deep meaning to a parade of huge tits is pretty funny.
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feminists.
They're the ones who see a beautiful woman and assume she didn't earn her place by merit,
It's a reasonable assumption, given that the most prominent one in the country is where she is because of who she married.
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Did you just call Hillary beautiful?
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Oh God. Netflix is OBSESSED with that anime-porn, they keep putting it on my "you might like this" list. No Netflix. No I will not like it. I can tell from the goddamned IMAGE on the goddamned DVD COVER I will never like this.
Have you tried rating some of them really low? I haven't had this problem, but my kids watch a lot of Netflix, and I'd find it useful to know how persistent they are about pushing things you don't want.
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You're a fucking idiot.
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I don't use Netflix's rating system at all, because it's based on the flawed premise that I only want to watch good movies.
On average, I probably watch 2 trash movies for every 1 good movies. I like making fun of bad movies more than I like enjoying good movies.
But I can't even stand animes long enough to make fun of them. They're terrible.
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I don't use Netflix's rating system at all, because it's based on the flawed premise that I only want to watch good movies.
Maybe you should start using it for the crap anime (BIRM).
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Your point is?
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If it weren't a ContentID minefield it might be interesting for me to record my commentary over an episode of Freezing.
