Don't drink and vote, you might spill your drink on the public hospital's lawn
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No, my employer pays about $200/month on top of that.
OK then, we're both (about) equally screwed!! All good then.
actually, of course, basically we're doing pretty well and we should count our blessings
Filed under: ... wait, that's not really good, is it?
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That's fine
But a pure single payer system says that, even if you HAVE money and CAN pay, you still don't get the service because we rationed it out.
It taxes the crap out of the rich and then denies everyone the service.
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/me reads the first few posts
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fair enough.
Go back to greener pastures....
And have fun for me.
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But a pure single payer system says that, even if you HAVE money and CAN pay, you still don't get the service because we rationed it out.
What the shit are you on about? We have private healthcare too.
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You didn't get to the good stuff yet.
i probably should admit i read the whole thread before posting that.
i had the reaction i posted at like post 15 or so.
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I know you do.
I'm saying that pure single payer doesn't.
Which means that you haven't really changed anything.
Rich people still get health care, and poor people still get denied healthcare.
All you did was shift hands on who gets to make the denial decisions.
I tried to prove that point back when Obamacare was being voted on.
Liberals tried to show that Medicare denied less claims, and I proved that per capita they denied the same number of claims. And that was in the same chart they posted. The only information they omitted was the number of clients for the private insurance companies they listed.
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Congratulations on strawmaning and admitting to it
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poor people still get denied healthcare.
They get more than they might get without it, generally speaking.
Specifically to the one treatment you linked to - without the NHS, how many poor people would have access to that £1500+ treatment?
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I don't know, because in America that exact treatment is offered by charity hospitals.
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Lol me and @boomzilla were being pretty civil IMO
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that exact treatment is offered by charity hospitals.
And what if the charity hospital didn't have enough money to treat everyone who had it?
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Name them. Now name a charity hospital that treats chronic diseases like type 1 diabetes
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Then the charity hospital would do the same thing the NHS is doing.
you haven't really changed anything
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Specifically to the one treatment you linked to - without the NHS, how many poor people would have access to that £1500+ treatment?
I couldn't say, but I will say that once the government takes something over, people stop feeling responsible for stuff and less likely to give to charity or help people out. "I gave at the
officetax collector." We can argue about whether that's better or worse in cases, but it definitely seems to be a thing.Lol me and @boomzilla were being pretty civil IMO
My civility dial goes up and down depending on the participants (and the particulars of their participatino) in the conversation.
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Lol me and @boomzilla were being pretty civil IMO
true. but politics discussions? on the internet?
no thanks you! and that's before it gets nasty!
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You can't get treatment (insulin, test strips, etc). Trust me on that. JDRF does research
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So the result's the same but some how our way sucks and the other way doesn't?
I don't know enough about the US healthcare system, which is why I've avoided making comments specifically targetted at it, and I've never lived anywhere with a different system to ours.
I would imagine that both ways have their advantages and disadvantages and arguing about it on the Internet is therefore .
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insulin, test strips
Roche Accu-Chek Patient Assistance Program
Roche Diagnostics, which manufacturers the ACCU-CHEK line of blood glucose monitors, offers a patient assistance program for low-income diabetics that are without insurance coverage. The program provides free blood glucose test strips from the ACCU-CHEK line of blood glucose monitors. As with most other patient assistance programs, the offer is only available in the United States, requires a significant amount of paperwork and proof of low income may be required.A number of regional chain pharmacies, mostly in the Eastern portion of the United States, have begun offering free refills of several generic diabetes medications. These are usually limited to oral medications that have been generic for quite some time and are relatively inexpensive at large chain pharmacies such as Walmart, Target and Costco. For the latest list of pharmacies offering these free refill programs, read our article Free Diabetes Drugs Now Available at Some Pharmacies.
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These are usually limited to oral medications that have been generic for quite some time and are relatively inexpensive at large chain pharmacies such as Walmart, Target and Costco.
Don't exist for Type 1, which is what they specifically were talking about.
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I would imagine that both ways have their advantages and disadvantages and arguing about it on the Internet is therefore
The services will get rationed one way or the other.
Of course you like peace of mind.
That's the European preference.
I like being able to pay up to the level of care I want, and have coverage for emergencies.
Let them prefer their shit.
Just stop sending the shit our way.
I prefer my shit more. Can't I just keep my shit?
Balance would be to offer alternatives to the government at every turn possible.
I apologize for not making it more clear.
But I have to admit that my reaction to all this is coming from what is being implemented in America.
Instead of having a single payer and private systems coexisting, America has taken the approach of hijacking the insurance industry.
Which means that there won't be options. Everything will go through your insurance, everyone has to participate, and all healthcare gets paid out of this insurance system.
Sure I can just pay cash, but I have to also buy insurance because of a mandate.
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I would imagine that both ways have their advantages and disadvantages and arguing about it on the Internet is therefore
Most people outside the US are convinced that everyone is going bankrupt due to doctor bills. And from here it looks like you can't see a doctor and then when you do they just let you die. Neither happens as much as it's made out to.
You guys still suck, though.
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Oral medications? Seriously? Try again, that's not what I'm talking about
Hint: you failed to account for the most important thing for a type 1 diabetic. The thing that you will die without
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Most people outside the US are convinced that everyone is going bankrupt due to doctor bills
By far the biggest problem was, since insurance is subsidized by your employer, when you switch jobs you get a different company.
And if you had a pre-existing condition that the last company was happy to pay for, you don't get covered.
Which limited people with chronic problems from having the same economic freedom.
I'm glad they fixed that. I just don't like the mandates and the everyone up to 26 covered by their parents, etc.
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The other option offered free test strips.
Diabetes supplies are mostly covered by Medicare/aid so there isn't a demand for competition there.
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Not test strips. 0 for 2
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The program provides free blood glucose test strips
Medicare provides coverage for glucose test monitors, testing strips and
lancets as well as nutritional therapy services for those with diabetes
or kidney disease when referred by a physician.
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By far the biggest problem was, since insurance is subsidized by your employer, when you switch jobs you get a different company.
Yes. Fuck FDR.
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I'm not talking about test strips. They're pretty important, but there's something much me critical
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I presume you're talking about actual insulin?
http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/health-insurance/prescription-assistance.html
Most pharmaceutical companies offer financial assistance programs to persons who have trouble affording their medications and supplies.
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He keeps
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That's it.
How am I ?
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Hopefully it'll stop him trying to sell off the NHS bit-by-bit to companies only in it for profit.
Like the privatised bit that is your local GP surgery?
Owned by the same GP's who are complaining, and signing letters in the press, about attempts to privitise other bits of the NHS without the slightest hint of irony?
Get the GP's back into the NHS rather than contracting (which Labour brought in) and stop this silly 9-5,M/F thing they have with >£100K wages - there's a significant amount of savings to be had that could be "spent on nurses" or whatever the dog-whistle politics are now regarding the service.
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Not test strips. 0 for 2
You can't get treatment (insulin, test strips, etc).
The program provides free blood glucose test strips
I'm not talking about test strips.
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Your point?
You addressed the more minor of the two items there...
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Sorry
The thing that you will die without
Missed that.
Eli Lilly
Humulin (insulin)
Humalog (insulin)
Glucagon (emergency kit)
Lilly Cares
1-855-LLY-TRUE (1-855-559-8783)
www.lillytrueassist.com - See more at: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/health-insurance/prescription-assistance.html#sthash.gHhIF0pN.dpuf
Novo Nordisk Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Prandin (repaglinide)
Novolin (insulin)
Novolog (insulin)
Cornerstones4Care Patient Assistance Program
Cornerstones4Care Patient Assistance Program
Novo Nordisk
P.O. Box 181640
Louisville, KY 40261
1-866-310-7549
www.cornerstones4care.com/ToolsResources/PatientAssistance.aspx - See more at: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/health-insurance/prescription-assistance.html#sthash.gHhIF0pN.dpuf
FYI, anyone out there who needs help with insulin costs, try the Eli Lilly TruAssist program (LillyTruAssist dot com).
For the past ten years I have been getting my Humalog from either Mexico
or Canada for about $30 per 10ml bottle. But when I called the Canadian
pharmacy to reorder recently, they told me that due to a supply
problem, the price had gone up from around $30 to $259 a
bottle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Our local Wal*Mart charges $159. I did a bit of
research, filled out the TruAssist application, and sent it in, along
with last year's tax forms. In two or three weeks I was able to pick up
six months' worth of insulin at my endo's office. Free, yes, free. There are income qualifications, but I think they are pretty loose.
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Unless you want kids to be walking 2 miles to school.
As someone who did just that as early as around the 3rd grade, I have no problem with it.
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So having only rich people have the ability to see is so obviously a better solution, yes?
"What the honorable gentleman is saying is that he would rather the poor were poorer, provided the rich were less rich."
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Gonna need a transcript
Well, he d me but I just used the same (?) video a day or two ago, so I have already posted the relevant excerpt.
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It sounds harsh (inb4 death panels), but dumping huge amounts of money into a problem that only affects the elderly is not exactly the best use of funds...
Fuck those old people anyway, who cares if this is how they have to spend their final years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eye_disease_simulation,_age-related_macular_degeneration.jpg
since preview's not working and I don't know if hotlink prevention is on or what.
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i had the reaction i posted at like post 15 or so.
LOL and yet you kept on reading. "You're not here for the hunting, are you?"
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How the FUCK did you bastards make a 196 post topic in 4 hours?
Sigh... time to start reading, maybe...
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LOL and yet you kept on reading.
i have it as a point of pride that while i've run an autoreader bot for the past five months and more it has in that time read exactly 5 posts for me. i always get to read the posts first before they become older than 72 hours (where the autoreader will kick in)
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You can't get treatment (insulin, test strips, etc).
Since I was JUST at Wal-Mart literally an hour ago, I can tell you that the Wal-Mart-branded glucose meter, which is a rebadge of someone else's, costs $15, and you can get 50 strips for $19.
Insulin's not very expensive. If my life depended on it, I would (for example) give up cable to have enough. (And let's not forget that being told to throw out a 1000-unit bottle after a month, when your dosage is 20 units/day (for example) and the stuff keeps far longer than a month if refrigerated is almost wildly irresponsible, so the actual cost, if you're careful, is fairly low.)
INB4 someone strawmans a 90-year-old granny with no other living relatives who has to choose insulin or canned dog food because she can't afford both, or people food.
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