Moral dilemma
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@Intercourse said:
Yet you post as proof a study that only surveyed those who pirate music? That does not prove how many people are doing so, and the article is horribly dated.
It's 8 a.m. over here and I'm just getting ready to go to work, so forgive me if I cannot spend a considerable amount of time looking up research for your perusal.
@Intercourse said:
It has since been shown that the decline in CD sales was due to the music industry refusing to change their business plans in regards to a new digital economy.
Your move then: show me the data.
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Your move then: show me the data.
So I am forced to prove the negative of a person who said that most media is pirated? Nah. I do not have to do your work for you. You made the silly assertion, you can take your time and get back to me.
P2P was Pandora's box. Once it was opened, there is no getting that genie back in the bottle. You can sue people, you can shut down their internet connections, etc. It is still going to happen. Until they produce a product that is worth purchasing, or provide an easier way to get that same media (with a reasonable cost associated), they will not win that fight with all the lawyers in the world. It is just not going to happen. I also do not believe for one minute that all of that piracy would translate to sales. Not even a fraction of it. Hell, most media that gets put out is not even worth "stealing".
But to say that most people pirate media is just absurd.
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@Intercourse said:
It has since been shown that the decline in CD sales was due to the music industry refusing to change their business plans in regards to a new digital economy.
So you don't actually have any data and are talking out of your arse. Okay. Whatever works for you.
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@Intercourse said:
P2P was Pandora's box. Once it was opened, there is no getting that genie back in the bottle. You can sue people, you can shut down their internet connections, etc. It is still going to happen. Until they produce a product that is worth purchasing, or provide an easier way to get that same media (with a reasonable cost associated), they will not win that fight with all the lawyers in the world. It is just not going to happen.
So we're basically in agreement. Progress, at last.
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So you don't actually have any data and are talking out of your arse. Okay. Whatever works for you.
To the same extent that you are with your assertions that most people pirate media.
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@Intercourse said:
To the same extent that you are with your assertions that most people pirate media.
If you want to get really pedantic: most people who consume media, pirate it.
Bear in mind that there are those who don't listen to music (other than the radio) and don't watch movies (like myself).
@Intercourse said:
your assertions that most people pirate media.
Mind you, there's data on that as well - most notably provided by Big Champagne. I just don't have the time to hunt anything down ATM. I'll try to bring something to the table in the evening.
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If you want to get really pedantic: most people who consume media, pirate it.
Que?
Bear in mind that there are those who don't listen to music (other than the radio) and don't watch movies (like myself).
And those have to be taken in to account when you make assertions like...
You'll find that the product is primarily being consumed by way of piracy.
Sure, if you remove everyone who does not pirate media from the sample, then everyone is pirating media. If you isolate your sampling enough, you can prove anything.
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I am actually reading through the paper you posted and it is completely full of conjecture and assumption all along the way and is worded in such a way that leads you to believe they set out to disprove the earlier A&F paper. In my opinion, it is not worth the PDF it is printed on.
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Have you ever considered that some of us would much rather not give a b******ming cent to the MPAA/RIAA, considering the shady accounting shenanigans they pull to deny artists what should be theirs, anyway? (Esp. the MPAA: there's a reason I don't bother with movies.)
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Exactly. Buy direct from the artist if you can.
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Exactly. Buy direct from the artist if you can.
Go to concerts, attend movies, etc. I think we are going to end up with more artists self-distributing because...Fuck the RIAA and MPAA. We are well beyond the point when talented people can cut their own albums with cheap gear and software. For example, these kids have a bright future and no involvement from the RIAA that I am aware of...yet:
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Yes. That's the key point: support the artist as directly as possible. Things like Bandcamp are a thing before of this.
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support the artist as directly as possible
Is that a moral choice if the artist doesn't want your support?
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Is that a moral choice if the artist doesn't want your support?
Best ask @blakeyrat about that one, I am clearly not worthy of that particular answer.
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Is that a moral choice if the artist doesn't want your support?
The eternal devil's advocate. I like that.
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Oops, I forgot the @blakeyrat.
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Pffffbt, to be a devil's advocate @blakeyrat would have to be able to see things from other's viewpoint. His unary firmware does not allow such operations.
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@Intercourse said:
Pffffbt, to be a devil's advocate @blakeyrat would have to be able to see things from other's viewpoint. His unary firmware does not allow such operations.
No... he is the Devil, therefore his firmware is absolute.
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Touche. And yes, I realize that is technically spelled incorrectly, but I CBA to remember how to do those silly European accent characters.
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@Intercourse said:
Touche. And yes, I realize that is technically spelled incorrectly, but I CBA to remember how to do those silly European accent characters.
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is a thing in Discourse for the Touché.
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If almost half of people discover new music primarily on the radio, I would suggest a good percentage of the music consumed is via radio. That's sourced to a survey by nielsen. It's also not illegal (yet...)
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If @GOG gets his way it will be, bunch of freeloading bastards...
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Wasn't there a media industry exec who said that listening to the radio without also listening to commercials was stealing? Or was that TV?
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Personally, iHeart and Amazon MP3 entirely killed my desire to pirate music. Why bother going through the trouble of pirating CDs when I can have instant and ever-changing music through my computer, and when I want to listen to something specific, Amazon's prices are about on par with iTunes' without making me switch to Apple. It would cost me more in time and frustration to pirate than to buy legally. I suspect a lot of former pirates are in that boat now; my gut feel is that the pirating bubble has burst.
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That was TV. Also bullshit. Commercials have always competed for customer attention against snack breaks, potty breaks, and grabbing a magazine or something until the show is back on. Free market and all that. If commercials want to be "purchased" (via spending time rather than currency) by potential customers, they can compete like everything else.
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Wasn't there a media industry exec who said that listening to the radio without also listening to commercials was stealing? Or was that TV?
That was @blakeyrat.
Hardly an exaggeration.
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Personally, iHeart and Amazon MP3 entirely killed my desire to pirate music.
Same thing with Netflix. Someone made a service that doesn't cost much, gets you most of the benefits of piracy and is actually easier than piracy. Awesome!
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Spotify for me. I can listen to what I want, when I want, for less than $100/year? I am in.
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Personally, iHeart and Amazon MP3 entirely killed my desire to pirate music.
That kind of thing is pretty good as long as it's not something that depends on Internet access. Pandora doesn't work too well when you're out in the woods.
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FTFY
Well, yes, it's a thing in HTML of course - but normal forum software sanitises out the & symbol to prevent such things being a thing.
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That kind of thing is pretty good as long as it's not something that depends on Internet access. Pandora doesn't work too well when you're out in the woods.
Which is why I like Spotify. It allows me to download local copies of the really good stuff for flights, etc.
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@Intercourse said:
When is it OK to hack activation?
When the publisher shuts down the activation servers and your purchased copy starts erroring out. GFWL.
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When the publisher shuts down the activation servers and your purchased copy starts erroring out. GFWL.
@blakeyrat would tell you that this is unacceptable even for software you had legitimately bought and from your point of view the licence was still valid.
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When the publisher shuts down the activation servers and your purchased copy starts erroring out. GFWL.
This happened to me with MLB when I purchased several vids of White Sox World Series games. Less than 2 years after purchase, my licenses suddenly became "invalid" and I couldn't play the content anymore. Reported to MLB.com, no remedy. They even acknowledged the problem several years later, in a window that you can't resize leaving half the text unreadable (copy/paste saved the day there). Never recovered my content, no reimbursement, nothing but an apology. As my dad says: "Your simple 'I'm sorry' with no follow-up does me no good."
I have since boycotted mlb.com and refuse to purchase anything from them. No I didn't hack the vids - not worth it. Keeping my wallet closed is statement enough.
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I find in those cases it is better to send a straight-forward, but polite, email as to why you choose not to do business with them. They will never notice individual customers leaving, or even a small group of them, unless you also tell them why you are doing so.
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@Intercourse said:
I find in those cases it is better to send a straight-forward, but polite, email as to why you choose not to do business with them. They will never notice individual customers leaving, or even a small group of them, unless you also tell them why you are doing so.
I did. Got a canned "sorry you're leaving" response. Whatever.
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That is maybe worse than no response.
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I liked that one. It was dark like I imagined the comics to be. A much better Dredd imo than Sylvester.
I've read quite a few of the comics, and that was a very good Dredd movie. The other one got the look, but Urban's Dredd got the feel of Dredd pretty much spot on, and that's far more important.
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Like not taking Dredd's helmet off at any point in the film.
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But that was the least of it. Urban played Dredd as someone who is a total hardass because he actually cares and feels he must; as someone driven to being the toughest Judge in a tough city.
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The Stallone movie was pretty much just an excuse to get Stallone to yell "law!" out the side of his mouth as many times as possible, and for fellow actor Armand Assante to mock him for it. On screen. (I'm convinced it was the actor making fun of him, and not the character in the movie. Because it's funnier that way.)
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It's almost like IMDB knew you were coming.
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But that was the least of it. Urban played Dredd as someone who is a total hardass because he actually cares and feels he must; as someone driven to being the toughest Judge in a tough city.
Yes, I was just pointing out the most visible characteristic.