Poll: TDWTF's new design is...
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And preferably pop-under where your cursor is positioned. Moving your cursor is a barrier to clicking on shit.
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And maybe a fly-in for a chat window that connects me to @Nagesh's neighbor.
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I think it looks like it's attempting to follow Windows 8's attempt at being trendy, but it's not doing it very well.
It's a bit like the forum switchover: it doesn't suck much more than the old one did, but it sucks very differently and it's not an improvement.
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The new design is "in your face" with all the saturated colors, large fonts, CAPSLOCKED TEXT. So very busy.
FWIW, the forums use -at least- somewhat muted colors.
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#THESE TEN SCREENSHOTS WILL MAKE YOU WONDER WHY YOU CLICKED ON THIS ARTICLE IN THE FIRST PLACE
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Sort of like BuzzWTF?
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The new design is "in your face" with all the saturated colors, large fonts, CAPSLOCKED TEXT. So very busy.
Yes, that's the new Windows 8 "fashion". Because we're back to 16-color low-res displays, apparently. But seemingly every site has changed its layout to look like that(1), and Alex seems to want to make the site fashionable, so it was inevitable.
But it does still work, it's still usable, and it's not an AJAX-ridden mess(2). It's not horrible, or even all that bad. And it's still just HTML so you can just put your own CSS in if you really hate it.
(1. At this point, I'm just waiting for Reddit to start looking Windows 8-y. Imagine the backlash there'd be. It'd nearly be worth it just to see everything blow up.)
(2. Has anybody ever seen a "web app" that's reliable and works well? I haven't. This isn't even Discourse hate, it's no worse than the average web app. It's just that the whole concept seems to be flawed.)
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Has anybody ever seen a "web app" that's reliable and works well?
Google docs seems to work well, but that may be due to my limited usecase.
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What are you calling a web-app?
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Google docs seems to work well, but that may be due to my limited usecase.
Myself, my family and my business use Google Docs every single day and I do not recall ever having an error. I have been using it since ~2008.
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In my experience it works well until some hiccup causes one of the AJAX requests to save your changes to fail, at which point it tells you nothing and just silently discards everything you've typed. I lost several documents before I just started typing them out in OpenOffice and then pasting them in.
Reload... is it still there? No? Copy, paste, try again, reload, is it still there? Yes!
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Never had that happen.
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Call me an old fart, if you like (because I am), but I'm with @Arantor on this one.
Pffft, I'm 47 myself. Discourse and sites like it are what brings Web 2.0 into miscredit, but with a decent architecture design you can have the best of both worlds. That at least is what I aim at - provide a nice application like feeling where possible, but keep in mind not all people want that let alone can use it..
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That's kind of where I am. Get the basics working then make it prettier and more elegant - but you always have the fundamentals to fall back on through graceful degradation and it also means users that don't want the extra aren't necessarily bound to keep it as a result.
Though I'm 30 and therefore in the core demographic for mid-life crisis-averting Web2.0rhea creation.
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Though I'm 30 and therefore in the core demographic for mid-life crisis-averting Web2.0rhea creation.
This is the world that we've created.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdSnsVwbTcM
I hasten to add, I try not to be web2.0rheatic if I can help it.
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I meant our generation (I'm the same age).
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What are you calling a web-app?
The kind of "Web 2.0" websites that try to give you an app-like experience by having the actual website just contain some of the UI and then loading everything dynamically via AJAX. Which works well in the great land of Theory, where the cows are spherical, the roads are frictionless, the connections never fail, the computers have infinite RAM and the browsers actually follow the standards, but which fails horribly when it is confronted with a cow-shaped cow or an internet connection that isn't in Silicon Valley and costs less than $500/month.
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The kind of "Web 2.0" websites that try to give you an app-like experience by having the actual website just contain some of the UI and then loading everything dynamically via AJAX. Which works well in the great land of Theory, where the cows are spherical, the roads are frictionless, the connections never fail, the computers have infinite RAM and the browsers actually follow the standards, but which fails horribly when it is confronted with a cow-shaped cow or an internet connection that isn't in Silicon Valley and costs less than $500/month.
So.........most of the things wrong with Discourse?
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Only most? That there is everything wrong with Discourse in a nutshell.
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Not true, it didn't mention anything about re-implementing worse versions of core browser functionality.
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Exactly, there are a lot of things wrong that aren't web 2.0-ey.
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Reimplementing browser function is the natural epitome of Web2.0rhea to emphasise the 'appness' of the web app.
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Reimplementing browser function is the natural epitome of Web2.0rhea to emphasise the 'appness' of the web app.
That sorta implies that it works, though.
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Nope, I make no claims as to quality of functionality.
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Saying that something is implemented implies a modicum of success.
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Oh, no, no, no. Implemented simply means written. It makes no claims as to quality of implementation.
Discourse implements many things. It just does most of them terribly badly.
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(1. At this point, I'm just waiting for Reddit to start looking Windows 8-y. Imagine the backlash there'd be. It'd nearly be worth it just to see everything blow up.)
The mods of each subreddit can set up their own css, so that won't happen unless a bunch of mods are infected by the web 2.0 brain worm all at once.
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Yes, that's the new Windows 8 "fashion". Because we're back to 16-color low-res displays, apparently. But seemingly every site has changed its layout to look like that(1), and Alex seems to want to make the site fashionable, so it was inevitable.
I'm starting to miss overused gradients at this point.
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Yes, that's the new Windows 8 "fashion". Because we're back to 16-color low-res displays, apparently
It's the fashion because we're now on 1080p resolution on 3" phones and no one can use any of the buttons because everyone has fat fingers.
Except me - I'm looking at a goddamn 5" tall button on a 24" flat panel. This motherfucking button alone is as big as your pussy ass cell phone.
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I should check out the new design on my TV. the buttons should each be as big as an infant.
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I keep having to explain to people who want me to put things in ALL CAPS because IT'S IMPORTANT, DAMN IT, that it's not only ugly, if it's ALL in CAPS, how the hell do you differentiate things that are REALLY IMPORTANT from things that are KIND OF IMPORTANT?
But importance is merely a FUNCTION of elasticated EAR DEFENDERS and a jumbo pack of BREATH MINTS.
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[spoiler]I keep having to explain to people who want me to put things in [/spoiler]ALL CAPS [spoiler]because[/spoiler] IT'S IMPORTANT, DAMN IT, [spoiler]that it's not only ugly, if it's [/spoiler]ALL [spoiler]in[/spoiler] CAPS, [spoiler]how the hell do you differentiate things that are[/spoiler] REALLY IMPORTANT [spoiler]from things that are[/spoiler] KIND OF IMPORTANT?
I'm hard of hearing, so if you don't yell, I can't hear you.... I take it you must like things in CAPS?
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I didn't write that.
I just quoted it.
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Everyone loves misquote abuse.
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Now you're getting it!
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Maybe related, but if the web apps all move to ALL CAPS DESIGN how are we supposed to read LEGAL DISCLOSURES IN ALL CAPS? It's like they are in small print again.
:gasp:
WEB 2.0 ALL CAPS PAGES ARE ACTUALLY WRITTEN BY SCAM ARTISTS TRYING TO GET AROUND ALL CAPS LEGAL DISCLOSURES!
@apapadimoulis DID say he was a lawyer...
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YOUR DATA WILL NEVER BE SHARED WITH ANYONE
Database password is hunter2
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It's fucking 85 degrees here and I laughed at the quote abuse and now I'm 5000 degrees warmer. Thanx, alot.
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You're welcome.
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I got a Runtime Error on the link, so I chose WTD.
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Well for me the new design may really be FILE_NOT_FOUND, since i get an ugly runtime error :D
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