Who needs social media?
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@Adanine said:
@Wikipedia said:
On June 11, 1964, shortly after 9 o'clock, Seifert approached the schoolyard of the Catholic elementary school located at Volkhovener Weg 209-211, armed with a self-made flamethrower, a lance and a mace...
America still hasn't even come close to that.@Wikipedia said:
His flamethrower was made from an insecticide sprayer with a wire netting attached to the nozzle, and filled with a mixture of old motor oil and paint thinner.
Fucking disgusting; when will Germans wake up and demand Used Motor Oil Control? How can they consider themselves a civilized people when they just let complete psychos possess such lethal weapons??
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You'll have to pry my used motor oil from my cold dead hands.
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@morbiuswilters said:
Fucking disgusting; when will Germans wake up and demand Used Motor Oil Control? How can they consider themselves a civilized people when they just let complete psychos possess such lethal weapons??
I'm more impressed in that he had a lance, a mace, and the flamethrower and just walked into a school. The logistics alone to carry that equipment... Subtlety was probably not an option.
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My school had a medieval club.
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@blakeyrat said:
My school had a medieval club.
Did you have to sign it out if you needed to use it, or were you on the honour system?
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Wikipedia said:
His flamethrower was made from an insecticide sprayer with a wire netting attached to the nozzle, and filled with a mixture of old motor oil and paint thinner.
Fucking disgusting; when will Germans wake up and demand Used Motor Oil Control? How can they consider themselves a civilized people when they just let complete psychos possess such lethal weapons??
Instead they could build cars with decent gaskets that don't let fuel mix with the motor oil.
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@Ronald said:
Instead they could build cars with decent gaskets that don't let fuel mix with the motor oil.
Hmm.. my last car was Teutonic and it didn't mix fuel into the oil.
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@drurowin said:
My belief in that I don't have anything worth stealing enough to warrant the use of locks or passwords ls legit. I don't doubt the EFFECTIVENESS of passwords and house locks, I'm saying I don't have anything worth locking up. I really could care less if you went through my gmail, sent bomb threats from it or whatever.
You're an idiot. (Not that this is news to most here.)
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@PJH said:
You're an idiot. (Not that this is news to most here.)
@That artyicle said:
And because it is hard to be sarcastic in writing,
not sure if sarcasm....
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@dhromed said:
not sure if sarcasm....
If you're gonna use a tired old meme, at least post the image macro:
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You said shit so stupid, I registered to rebut you. Congratulations.
@drurowin said:
And those are probably lower-income situations, where the proper solution would be quarantine and decontamination,
WRONG. If you bothered to check the CDC homepage on Pertussis Outbreaks, you would find that the outbreaks generally hit higher-income situations first, where there are a higher level of unvaccinated children, usually the offspring of crystal-gazing bliss ninnies or Jesus Crispies who believe in faith healing. I have no patience for either and frankly hope their children die of pertussis in order to teach them a lesson about putting their trust in faith/magic/belief rather than proven science.
No, I have no pity. Or compassion. The unvaccinated are plague vectors and are the ones who should be quarantined. And then infected with polio to teach more lessons to anti-science division.@drurowin said:
not putting children at risk of getting autism and chlamidya from "the jabs".
WRONG.
You cannot acquire autism from vaccines.
You cannot acquire chlamidya from vaccines.
All attempts by anti-vaxxers to prove either have met with failure, because their scientific tests don't support either of those hypotheses. Of course, then they resort to fraud and forgery, but that's been easily detected.
Got anything else, bro?
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@Castaigne said:
You said shit so stupid, I registered to rebut you. Congratulations.
Oh crap, troll versus troll!
And one of them is unable to quote properly!
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@drurowin said:
Let's see your research proving vaccines are safe
Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence & Causality (2012). Not that you'll bother reading it; anti-vaxxers never do bother with science, really.
@drurowin said:
If you need to kill someone standing across the room, you man up and go stab him in the chest, rather than kill him from where you're standing like a coward.
I see. I am supposed to engage in stupid heroics rather than in smart actions guaranteed to ensure my success.
Well. I know how to deal with you.
@drurowin said:
But if there were no more guns, where would he get guns?
That's a good question! I'll contemplate the reinvention of gunpowder and musketry while you charge me...and I shoot you with this crossbow. I smeared the bolt in rotting meat, by the way. Hope you don't mind.
@morbiuswilters said:
If you're unlucky enough to be one of the, like, half-dozen people who does not have health insurance and who does not qualify for Medicaid, then you will get billed, but nobody actually pays those things. Hospitals just write that shit off and pass the cost onto people with insurance and taxpayers (who are one-and-the-same, usually).
Wha? Do you live in Massachussets or somewhere like that? Down here in GA, the hospitals will just put liens on your house and car, then get a judgment and have your wages garnished.
@dhromed said:
Oh crap, troll versus troll!
Not at all. I never troll. I am always, always deadly serious.
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@Castaigne said:
...and frankly hope their children die of pertussis in order to teach them a lesson about putting their trust in faith/magic/belief rather than proven science.
Wouldn't it be more fair for the parents to die? The kids didn't ask to have dumbass parents who don't vaccinate them.
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@Castaigne said:
Do you live in
Massachussets or somewhere like that?I did, at one point, but not now.
@Castaigne said:
Down here in GA, the hospitals
will just put liens on your house and car...Aren't those one-and-the-same in GA?
@Castaigne said:
...then get a judgment and have
your wages garnished.Yeah, they probably do that everywhere. Of course, you can just declare bankruptcy and discharge all that shit if the bills are horrible enough.
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@morbiuswilters said:
Wouldn't it be more fair for the parents to die? The kids didn't ask to have dumbass parents who don't vaccinate them.
The parents dying is too quick of a punishment. I favor the parents watching their kids writhe in agony until they die, and then living a very, very long life with the memory of that agonizing death. That tends to be a more effective punishment. Sucks for the kids, but that's an object lesson for you.
@morbiuswilters said:
Aren't those one-and-the-same in GA?
Ha! Often enough, once you get out of the Metro Atlanta.
[quote user="morbiuswilters"]Of course, you can just declare bankruptcy and discharge all that shit if the bills are horrible enough.[/quote]
Which is why I hate the existence of that option. Everyone should be forced to pay their debts, IMHO.
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@Castaigne said:
The parents dying is too quick of a punishment. I favor the parents watching their kids writhe in agony until they die, and then living a very, very long life with the memory of that agonizing death. That tends to be a more effective punishment. Sucks for the kids, but that's an object lesson for you.
Man, you make me look like a cuddly widdle bunny.
@Castaigne said:
Which is why I hate the existence of that option. Everyone should be forced to pay their debts, IMHO.
Eh, I dunno. If I thought the debt system was sensibly-run, I'd probably agree that bankruptcy is problematic. The problem is that in a monetary system like ours, you aren't borrowing money from other people so much as having it created from thin air by a central bank. And this creates a number of problems, like massive credit expansion (root cause to many economic troubles, like the late 90s dot-com bubble, the first housing bubble, the current housing bubble, the higher-education bubble, all the shit that's going on in Europe.) In fact, the incentive for the central bank seems to be to always create more and more debt, so private and public debt just continue to spiral out-of-control.
When your banking system is reduced to little more than a thinly-veiled, never-ending stimulus program by the central government which is designed to create more-and-more debt, in perpetuity, throughout the universe; and when lots of people (and governments and companies) make rational market decisions to use that cheap credit and end up deeply indebted, I'm more sympathetic to saying "Fuck it all, nobody has to pay that shit back." If it was actually money borrowed from some hard-working folks, I'd care, but since it's just a sorta welfare program run by the government, Federal Reserve system and large banks, I really don't care so much.
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@morbiuswilters said:
and when lots of people (and governments and companies) make rational market decisions to use that cheap credit and end up deeply indebted
You made a mistake there. If you handle it rationally, you don't get that kind of out of control debt for yourself. But people are stupid, irrational, have no control, they make bad decisions, and banks keep saying cheap loans! cheap loans! cheap loans! and that's your perfect storm right there.
The public awareness campaign on that subject here in Dutchland has the slogan "Borrowing money costs money.", which is something people don't fully appreciate when they borrow money.
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@dhromed said:
The public awareness campaign on that subject here in Dutchland has the slogan "Borrowing money costs money.", which is something people don't fully appreciate when they borrow money.
The US slogan, "$500-$1000 2 minute approval!" is far more catchy.
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@Liquid Egg Product said:
The US slogan, "$500-$1000 2 minute approval!" is far more catchy.
It sure stimulates those rational, well-informed minds Mobius referred to!
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@dhromed said:
You made a mistake there. If you handle it rationally, you don't get that kind of out of control debt for yourself.
I'm not sure that's true. If credit's cheap enough, it's rational to take it, especially if it's an amount you can reasonably expect to pay back.
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@Castaigne said:
Welcome to the forums, always glad to have another smiling face.You said shit so stupid, I registered to rebut you. Congratulations.
@Castaigne said:
@drurowin said:
And those are probably lower-income situations, where the proper solution would be quarantine and decontamination,
WRONG. If you bothered to check the CDC homepage on Pertussis Outbreaks, you would find that the outbreaks generally hit higher-income situations first, where there are a higher level of unvaccinated children, usually the offspring of crystal-gazing bliss ninnies or Jesus Crispies who believe in faith healing. I have no patience for either and frankly hope their children die of pertussis in order to teach them a lesson about putting their trust in faith/magic/belief rather than proven science.
No, I have no pity. Or compassion. The unvaccinated are plague vectors and are the ones who should be quarantined. And then infected with polio to teach more lessons to anti-science division.Do you have a RELIABLE source, not some freaky head-in-the-sand conspiracy theory Democrat-funded "think tank"? Didn't think so.
@Castaigne said:
@drurowin said:
Again, citation needed. You're just trying to prop up your Democratic view of the world by forcing your horseshit down our throats. Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism. There isn't one! There's only crap like in your next post; a bunch of Spend-o-crats burning money by fucking sitting there and massaging data to get the conclusions they want. You can make data say ANYTHING you want, and sit there accusing the other (correct) side of fraud and forgery while committing the same sins yourself!not putting children at risk of getting autism and chlamidya from "the jabs".
WRONG.
You cannot acquire autism from vaccines.
You cannot acquire chlamidya from vaccines.
All attempts by anti-vaxxers to prove either have met with failure, because their scientific tests don't support either of those hypotheses. Of course, then they resort to fraud and forgery, but that's been easily detected.
Got anything else, bro?I hope you enjoy having autistic kids; my family is healthy WITHOUT vaccines, thanks.
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@Castaigne said:
IT WAS YOU THAT MUGGED ME ON MARTA, YOU JUMPED UP PCP USING CRACKHEAD!@morbiuswilters said:
Aren't those one-and-the-same in GA?
Ha! Often enough, once you get out of the Metro Atlanta.
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@drurowin said:
Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism.
Screw that. I'm still waiting for the proof that pepperoni pizza doesn't cause AIDS.
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@Liquid Egg Product said:
@drurowin said:
The only ones that don't are Pizza Hut and Papa Murphy's. All the rest of them...Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism.
Screw that. I'm still waiting for the proof that pepperoni pizza doesn't cause AIDS.
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@dhromed said:
The public awareness campaign on that subject here in Dutchland has the slogan "Borrowing money costs money.", which is something people don't fully appreciate when they borrow money.
That's why Dutchland is poor and has to sell its women to tourists. True wealth is not what one is worth on paper. True wealth is what one can spend, which includes borrowed money.
It's the same in business. Companies with big cashflow but lots of debt can go on forever. Companies with no debt and zero cashflow die.
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@Ronald said:
That's why Dutchland is poor and has to sell its women to tourists.
The Dutch are in shit because they have something like a 250% household debt-to-income ratio.
@Ronald said:
True wealth is what one can spend, which includes borrowed money.
Until you have to pay it back..
@Ronald said:
Companies with big cashflow but lots of debt can go on forever.
Well, until interest rates increase and the company can no longer afford debt service. Also, by this reasoning, perpetual-increasing household debt and government debt are good things, despite what the last 100 fucking years (or more, really) have shown..
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@morbiuswilters said:
Also, by this reasoning, perpetual-increasing household debt and government debt are good things, despite what the last 100 fucking years (or more, really) have shown..
What is so terrible with the last 100 years. There has been 2 world wars, countless skirmishes, financial meltdowns, terrorists acts and so on, yet just about everybody in america is currently walking around with a fucking iPhone, and ugly morons with no skills are given billions for their shit startup. The system works, and it runs on credit.
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@Ronald said:
yet just about everybody in america is currently walking around with a fucking iPhone, and ugly morons with no skills are given billions for their shit startup.
Oh yeah, that's success.
Besides which, it's fleeting. Thirty years ago wasn't so bad, because the debt load was not nearly as awful as it is now. Another 10 or 20 years of this shit and it'll all fall apart. Then again, I don't care: I hope it does. The world has become so awful, driven by the values of pieces of shit like you--ever-expanding government, ever-expanding centralized control, evisceration of any useful industry and its replacement by a laughably corrupt financial sector and the same shit startups that are worth nothing. Meanwhile, unemployment continues to be a nightmare, nobody does anything anymore, America has become a country of drooling morons who live only to buy cheap shit--made by slave labor--on credit (albeit, we're still less far-gone than Europe..)
So, yeah, to hell with it. I can't wait for it to burn down. The best part will be hanging people like you from lampposts.
Edit: On second thought, maybe this was just more of your ham-fisted trolling. I can't tell whether you're pretending to be dumb or are actually being dumb any more. Regardless, my points still stand.
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@morbiuswilters said:
The world has become so awful, driven by the values of pieces of shit like you--ever-expanding government, ever-expanding centralized control, evisceration of any useful industry and its replacement by a laughably corrupt financial sector and the same shit startups that are worth nothing.
Wait a minute. When did I ever say I was pro-govnm'nt? To the contrary. As for startups: at the moment 2 billions a month is vomitted by VC in startups. I'm all for it, as long as there is a piece of the pie for me to wet my beak... That's the American dream: good, fresh VC money that pays for high roller suites in Vegas and endless waves of high-class prostitutes. I'd take no-limit blackjack tables over noble values anyday of the week.
@morbiuswilters said:
Meanwhile, unemployment continues to be a nightmare, nobody does anything anymore,
There is hope. Lenovo is outsourcing its server manufacturing to US factories. Good union jobs, probably can get free chinese lessons or something and opportunities to go visit the homeland of our landlords.
@morbiuswilters said:
America has become a country of drooling morons who live only to buy cheap shit--made by slave labor--on credit (albeit, we're still less far-gone than Europe..)
So, yeah, to hell with it. I can't wait for it to burn down. The best part will be hanging people like you from lampposts.
Let go of the anger and join us in the blissful, all-encompassing new American experience (available on the App store).
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@Ronald said:
@morbiuswilters said:
The world has become so awful, driven by the values of pieces of shit like you--ever-expanding government, ever-expanding centralized control, evisceration of any useful industry and its replacement by a laughably corrupt financial sector and the same shit startups that are worth nothing.
Wait a minute. When did I ever say I was pro-govnm'nt? To the contrary. As for startups: at the moment 2 billions a month is vomitted by VC in startups. I'm all for it, as long as there is a piece of the pie for me to wet my beak... That's the American dream: good, fresh VC money that pays for high roller suites in Vegas and endless waves of high-class prostitutes. I'd take no-limit blackjack tables over noble values anyday of the week.
@morbiuswilters said:
Meanwhile, unemployment continues to be a nightmare, nobody does anything anymore,
There is hope. Lenovo is outsourcing its server manufacturing to US factories. Good union jobs, probably can get free chinese lessons or something and opportunities to go visit the homeland of our landlords.
@morbiuswilters said:
America has become a country of drooling morons who live only to buy cheap shit--made by slave labor--on credit (albeit, we're still less far-gone than Europe..)
So, yeah, to hell with it. I can't wait for it to burn down. The best part will be hanging people like you from lampposts.
Let go of the anger and join us in the blissful, all-encompassing new American experience (available on the App store).
You remind me of a young Morbs, all full of trolling and vinegar.
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@drurowin said:
Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism.
How about you show us a double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves they do? It's certainly easier to prove a positive than a negative, so there must be lots and lots of them. No?
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@morbiuswilters said:
America has become a country of drooling morons who live only to buy cheap shit--made by slave labor--on credit
Completely misleading. This Ikea furniture didn't use slave labor. I think.
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@PJH said:
@drurowin said:
There are hundreds, but you Spendocrats have your metaphorical heads in the metaphorical sand like metaphorical ostriches, pretending there's not a problem!Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism.
How about you show us a double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves they do? It's certainly easier to prove a positive than a negative, so there must be lots and lots of them. No?
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@drurowin said:
@PJH said:
@drurowin said:
There are hundreds, but you Spendocrats have your metaphorical heads in the metaphorical sand like metaphorical ostriches, pretending there's not a problem!Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism.
How about you show us a double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves they do? It's certainly easier to prove a positive than a negative, so there must be lots and lots of them. No?You're getting too obvious. Step away from the keyboard for a while and come back when you have some fresh material.
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@boomzilla said:
@drurowin said:
@PJH said:
@drurowin said:
There are hundreds, but you Spendocrats have your metaphorical heads in the metaphorical sand like metaphorical ostriches, pretending there's not a problem!Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism.
How about you show us a double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves they do? It's certainly easier to prove a positive than a negative, so there must be lots and lots of them. No?You're getting too obvious. Step away from the keyboard for a while and come back when you have some fresh material.
I vote that he stays, but he has to use the following photo for his avatar.
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@boomzilla said:
@drurowin said:
Hadn't had my coffee this morning, sorry.@PJH said:
@drurowin said:
There are hundreds, but you Spendocrats have your metaphorical heads in the metaphorical sand like metaphorical ostriches, pretending there's not a problem!Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism.
How about you show us a double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves they do? It's certainly easier to prove a positive than a negative, so there must be lots and lots of them. No?You're getting too obvious. Step away from the keyboard for a while and come back when you have some fresh material.
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@drurowin said:
@PJH said:
Since you didn't actually supply one, I'm guessing that there really isn't. At least none that would stand up to any sort of scrutiny, and perhaps tend towards the 'successful studies into homoeopathy' end of the spectrum of 'peer-review.'@drurowin said:
There are hundreds,Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism.
How about you show us a double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves they do? It's certainly easier to prove a positive than a negative, so there must be lots and lots of them. No?
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@PJH said:
@drurowin said:
@PJH said:
Since you didn't actually supply one, I'm guessing that there really isn't. At least none that would stand up to any sort of scrutiny, and perhaps tend towards the 'successful studies into homoeopathy' end of the spectrum of 'peer-review.'@drurowin said:
There are hundreds,Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism.
How about you show us a double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves they do? It's certainly easier to prove a positive than a negative, so there must be lots and lots of them. No?I really do think he's just trolling.
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@drurowin said:
Again, citation needed. You're just trying to prop up your Democratic view of the world by forcing your horseshit down our throats. Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism. There isn't one! There's only crap like in your next post; a bunch of Spend-o-crats burning money by fucking sitting there and massaging data to get the conclusions they want. You can make data say ANYTHING you want, and sit there accusing the other (correct) side of fraud and forgery while committing the same sins yourself!
I hope you enjoy having autistic kids; my family is healthy WITHOUT vaccines, thanks.
You are a fucking idiot.
Autistm increase that coincided with things like the MMR jab was because we got better at diagnosing autism. Pretty much everyone except for conspiracy theory nuts know that vaccines don't have any effect on whether a child has austism. It even says in the second paragraph on wikipedia for christsakes, Even the US series the shield there was even a subplot where the writers said it was bullshit.
"Twenty epidemiologic studies have shown that neither thimerosal nor MMR vaccine causes autism. These studies have been performed in several countries by many different investigators who have employed a multitude of epidemiologic and statistical methods."
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full
The argument you are now coming down to is "You can prove anything with facts".
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@lucas said:
Autistm increase that coincided with things like the MMR jab was because we got better at diagnosing autism.
It also has a lot to do with autism being a trendy disease, like ADHD was a decade ago. You look closely enough at any child and you're going to be able to diagnose her with 10 psychiatric disorders because the range of healthy human behavior is very broad and the criteria for diagnosing psychiatric disorders are very vague. Kid's shy? He's autistic, put him on meds!
I shudder to think what life would be like if I had grown up under such an environment. I was a shy child who had abnormal emotional and intellectual development. If some of these modern doctor's had got a hold of me, I would have been so pumped full of meds I wouldn't be able to do much more than piss myself.
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@morbiuswilters said:
Man, you make me look like a cuddly widdle bunny.
My time in the IT Gulag has reduced my compassion and patience for my fellow mankind to the point where Pol Pot would look like a humanitarian next to me. OK, maybe Stalin.
@morbiuswilters said:
I'm more sympathetic to saying "Fuck it all, nobody has to pay that shit back." If it was actually money borrowed from some hard-working folks, I'd care, but since it's just a sorta welfare program run by the government, Federal Reserve system and large banks, I really don't care so much.
Eh, fair enough. So long as you don't run off into tax protester theory land.
I wouldn't necessarily call the borrowing rational, though. But the borrowing makes a fuck-load of sense if you go by behavioral economics.
@drurowin said:
Do you have a RELIABLE source, not some freaky head-in-the-sand conspiracy theory Democrat-funded "think tank"? Didn't think so.
Wait, wait, wait. Look, I know you're a foreigner and that makes you completely unknowledgable about how some things in the good ol' USA works, but that doesn't excuse this level of deep-down British hillbilly ignorance. First off, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention isn't a "think tank" like PNAC. It's an actual federal fucking agency of the USG, part of the Department of Health and Human Services, no different from your own Health Protection Agency. Second, if you actually bothered to look at the link, you'd see that all data gathered under the Resources & Publications link there are peer-reviewed studies that came from medical professionals independent of the CDC, published in reputable journals. But you didn't bother to read, hillbilly, so you missed that.
But the kicker is your supposed conspiracy theory dig. I mean, you're a supporter of Wakefield, who nowadays is claiming that Big Pharma keeps sending assassins against him on a daily basis. Christ, it is to LAUGH.
@drurowin said:
Again, citation needed.
For the last time: Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence & Causality (2012). The final peer-reviewed statement on the subject, referring to the data and studies of all other peer-reviewed studies on the subject. I linked to it before and you obviously didn't bother to read it, because it provides the proof you demand. That covers the "You cannot acquire autism from vaccines." and "You cannot acquire chlamidya from vaccines." statements. As for the history of anti-vaxxer fraud and forgery and outright slavish worship of anti-science vaccine woo, enjoy, enjoy, and really fucking enjoy.You shit-for-brains anti-vaxxers couldn't even manage to win your day in court.
@drurowin said:
Show me a proper double-blind peer-reviewed study that proves that vaccines don't cause autism. There isn't one!
Just did, bitch. And by the by? There's been 23 in the past 25 years. Not that you'll recognize anything that wasn't written by your Saint Wakefield.
@drurowin said:
You can make data say ANYTHING you want
And that right there is a fucking lie. If you knew anything about statistics and math other than proverbs, you would know that's bullshit.
@drurowin said:
I hope you enjoy having autistic kids
Strangely, despite having been jabbed with all the vaccines that exist, autism isn't present in my family. At all. Gee...
@drurowin said:
my family is healthy WITHOUT vaccines, thanks.
Until I fucking jab them each with a shot of poliovirus and induce paralytic poliomyelitis. When your boy is weeping due to being confined to a wheelchair for life and your little girl is unable to breath without the use of a negative-pressure ventilator, then we can discuss in a reasonable manner how healthy your family is. While you're at it, drink down tons of raw milk. TB is a wonderful thing; gets you a permanent vacation in a sequestered hotel.
@drurowin said:
IT WAS YOU THAT MUGGED ME ON MARTA, YOU JUMPED UP PCP USING CRACKHEAD
Couldn't have been. I'm white, so I don't use MARTA.
@drurowin said:
You're just trying to prop up your Democratic view of the world by forcing your horseshit down our throats.
Oh, one final thing. I'm not liberal and I'm not a Democrat.
Conservatism cannot fail. Conservatism can only BE failed.
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@Castaigne said:
@drurowin said:
I doubt a vaccine would prevent against intentional infection. You're also a horrible person for wishing that on my son and daughters, but I'll let that slide because you're an ignorant war-mongering American. Raw milk is also much tastier than pasteurized milk, and Q fever is easly cured with a course of Cipro.my family is healthy WITHOUT vaccines, thanks.
Until I fucking jab them each with a shot of poliovirus and induce paralytic poliomyelitis. When your boy is weeping due to being confined to a wheelchair for life and your little girl is unable to breath without the use of a negative-pressure ventilator, then we can discuss in a reasonable manner how healthy your family is. While you're at it, drink down tons of raw milk. TB is a wonderful thing; gets you a permanent vacation in a sequestered hotel.
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@Castaigne said:
I wouldn't necessarily call the borrowing rational, though.
Depends on what you mean by "rational". I mean, what's irrational about running up huge debt? You get shitloads of cool stuff now and you might have to pay back the money in the future. What's that? Don't have the money? Oh, well we don't whip people for not being able to pay their debts any more, so the actual damage you suffer is that some of those cool things you bought (which are now already several years old and not very cool any more) might get taken away.
I mean, really, it fucks over other people more than it fucks over you. (And I don't think most people even comprehend this part. To them banks are just magical buildings full of money and some mean person won't let them go in and fill up a pillowcase any time they want.)
Plus, add in the fact there's such a mentality of a safety net. I mean, the government's not going to let you lose your house or go hungry or live without cable TV, right? So once again, it seems fairly rational to take on lots of debt, because there's lot of short-term upside and the downside is distant and ill-defined, but certainly less bad than all the cool shit you're gonna get.
@Castaigne said:
When your boy is weeping due to being confined
to a wheelchair for life and your little girl...By family I think he meant "people whose basement I have yet to leave". He's a furry who lives in Milton Keynes and doesn't lock his doors. He has no kids.
@Castaigne said:
Oh, one final thing. I'm not liberal and I'm not a Democrat.
He's trolling you, dude. The vaccines thing? The political stuff? He's just saying a few lines of random nonsense he know will get you to post a 2 page rebuttal; minimum effort for maximum payoff.
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@morbiuswilters said:
Plus, add in the fact there's such a mentality of a safety net.
From first-hand experience, that safety net has some pretty big holes in it.
@morbiuswilters said:I mean, the government's not going to let you lose your house
Yeah, that's why some other family is living in what used to be our house. There are government programs that are supposed to help, but there are eligibility requirements you have to meet to qualify for them. If you can't pay your mortgage because you're unemployed and have no income other than Unemployment Insurance, you're SOL.Oh, and your mortgage company will give you misinformation about the program you might be eligible for if you did have income, as in "You're not eligible for program X because your mortgage was bought be quasi-governmental agency Y," when program X is specifically for homeowners whose mortgages are owned by Y. They might even schedule the auction for your house on your wife's birthday.
@morbiuswilters said:or go hungry
That one's kinda true. Food Stamps gives you almost enough to get by; it's great if you want to reduce your calorie intake to lose weight. And if you're normally in the upper middle class, hanging out in for hours in the Food Stamp office waiting for your number to be called gives you a great insight into how the under-belly of society lives.
@morbiuswilters said:or live without cable TV, right?
I can't even...
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@HardwareGeek said:
Yeah, that's why some other family is living in what used to be our house. There are government programs that are supposed to help, but there are eligibility requirements you have to meet to qualify for them. If you can't pay your mortgage because you're unemployed and have no income other than Unemployment Insurance, you're SOL.
No, I wasn't saying that you wouldn't actually lose your house. I was saying that's what people think, so they feel safe taking on lots of debt.
@HardwareGeek said:
Oh, and your mortgage company will give you misinformation about the program you might be eligible for if you did have income, as in "You're not eligible for program X because your mortgage was bought be quasi-governmental agency Y," when program X is specifically for homeowners whose mortgages are owned by Y. They might even schedule the auction for your house on your wife's birthday.
Yeah, that sucks and all, but why did you borrow lots of money you couldn't pay back? You were given artificial incentives to engage in risky behavior.
@HardwareGeek said:
That one's kinda true. Food Stamps gives you almost enough to get by; it's great if you want to reduce your calorie intake to lose weight.
Are you joking? For one, food stamps aren't the only way to get food. For two, have you seen the fucking whales on food stamps?? People on food stamps are some of the fattest motherfuckers in this country. You can get $600 /month for food, easy as shit. I know people who are employed and on food stamps. They don't need it; they just want an extra $300 /month to spend on "fancy foods". They buy lobster and steak and Coca-Cola on the taxpayer's dime, and then spend their own money on weed.
@HardwareGeek said:
And if you're normally in the upper middle class, hanging out in for hours in the Food Stamp office waiting for your number to be called gives you a great insight into how the under-belly of society lives.
Most of them just sit around sopping up welfare programs and stuffing their fat faces with potato chips while watching cable TV. I've spent a lot of time around those kind of "poor" people; the ones who have a 55" TV and tons of video games, drugs, beer and a new, $40k car. I've also spent time around actually poor people, who are too proud to take welfare. They usually work very hard and keep what they can of their paychecks.
But from what I understand.. you were upper-middle class, had a home, but.. what? Your emergency plan was "Go on welfare"? And then you found out that while welfare can support quite the ghetto lifestyle, it's not going to do much for an upper-middle class family? Or that, as a (former) taxpayer, nobody really gives a shit about you and that nobody's lining up to give you free shit? (BTW, I've been unemployed. It sucked, but I lived.)
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@HardwareGeek said:
I can't even...
Also, I'm not sure what you're going for here.. you want sympathy? As I understand it you are upper middle class? And you were unemployed for awhile, had a house foreclosed on and "lost weight" while on food stamps? (Did you have no savings??) I don't even know how it's possible to "lose weight" on food stamps, unless you were continuing to shop at Whole Foods or something. You go to Costco and you buy some big bags of rice, meat and vegetables for, like, $50. That will cover a family of 4 for a week. Jesus Christ, are we so far-gone as a country we can't even figure out how to survive when someone is giving us free money for food??
And then what happened? Did anybody die? Get really sick? No? Then what did you lose? Sorry, there are real people with real problems in the world, not upper middle class people who had to move out of their overpriced McMansion. And, hey, you learned a lesson: a house is not an investment and you should buy a modest, affordable house and always have emergency savings.
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@morbiuswilters said:
No, I wasn't saying that you wouldn't actually lose your house. I was saying that's what people think, so they feel safe taking on lots of debt.
Fair enough. They're wrong, obviously.@morbiuswilters said:
Yeah, that sucks and all, but why did you borrow lots of money you couldn't pay back? You were given artificial incentives to engage in risky behavior.
Why? Because I wasn't man enough to say "no" to my (now ex-)wife's overspending. We could pay it back* as long as I was working.* Mostly. I knew we were overextended, but we were getting by with the help of tax refunds, semi-annual bonuses and occasional cashing-in of stock options.
@morbiuswilters said:
For one, food stamps aren't the only way to get food.
No, the local food bank came in handy, too.
@morbiuswilters said:For two, have you seen the fucking whales on food stamps?? People on food stamps are some of the fattest motherfuckers in this country.
Perhaps. They were not typical of the people I saw in the office. I saw mostly – how can I put this so it doesn't sound like it belongs in the thread about stealing silverware – non-Anglo women with lots of young children and some guys who looked like they wouldn't pass a job interview for cleaning septic tanks.
@morbiuswilters said:You can get $600 /month for food, easy as shit. I know people who are employed and on food stamps. They don't need it; they just want an extra $300 /month to spend on "fancy foods". They buy lobster and steak and Coca-Cola on the taxpayer's dime, and then spend their own money on weed.
I suppose there are ways of falsifying your income to get more than you are eligible for. I don't know any, and have no interest in learning. IIRC, I legitimately qualified for a bit over $300/month.@morbiuswilters said:
I've also spent time around actually poor people, who are too proud to take welfare. They usually work very hard and keep what they can of their paychecks.
I can't say I've spent a lot of time with them, but my experiences have instilled a greater sense of empathy.@morbiuswilters said:
But from what I understand.. you were upper-middle class, had a home, but.. what? Your emergency plan was "Go on welfare"?
Well, a big part of the problem was not having an emergency plan in the first place, but I never expected to be out of work for 21 months. I filed for Unemployment Insurance right away, of course, but we never even thought about other forms of assistance until we'd used all of the money my dad left for my kids' education and drained my 401(k) dry (and giving Uncle Sam about $20k in penalties in the process). We got to the point where we literally didn't have enough money to file for bankruptcy. If we'd realized sooner that we were eligible for assistance, we might have been able to hold on a couple more months until I got the job I have now.@morbiuswilters said:
Or that, as a (former) taxpayer, nobody really gives a shit about you and that nobody's lining up to give you free shit?
All I really wanted was a job, but nobody was lining up to give me that, either.@morbiuswilters said:
(BTW, I've been unemployed. It sucked, but I lived.)
Yeah. It cost me my house, my marriage, my family and a good bit of my dignity, but I survived.
