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@jinpa Somebody didn't do the needful with that list.
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@HardwareGeek Why would you expect
or 
in that list?
And
is missing, too.
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@BernieTheBernie the list is wrong anyway, we don't get paid in $ in
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I don’t get paid in $ either but converting to one currency does at least make the list possible to compare things.
It’s still a crapshoot because cost of living varies from country to country.
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@Arantor said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
cost of living varies from country to country.
And even between regions within a country. (even within a country as small as
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@robo2 obviously, but that is why the list is in $, so it is at least vaguely comparable as opposed to completely incomparable.
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@jinpa that is not the average salary for Sweden as reported by several statistics databases. It's lower.
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@Carnage average for developers though?
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@Arantor said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
@Carnage average for developers though?
Average for developers is about USD60k
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The US has a giant outlier in Silly Valley though. London is probably pushing up the average in the UK too. Cost of living would eat both those salaries in those places.
Better than Ireland though. Dublin would be paid less than the uk and cost of living would be higher than london.
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@DogsB said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
London is probably pushing up the average in the UK too.
For sure, and probably Cambridge and Manchester too.
@DogsB said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
Better than Ireland though. Dublin would be paid less than the uk and cost of living would be higher than london.
It's a random Twitter account - it probably included Southern Ireland in the UK
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@DogsB said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
The US has a giant outlier in Silly Valley though. London is probably pushing up the average in the UK too. Cost of living would eat both those salaries in those places.
Yeah, our average is probably 3x the national. And a number of years ago, I remember the poverty line was something like 115K.
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@Arantor said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
It’s still a crapshoot because cost of living varies from country to country.
it makes it a bit more complicated to imagine how is the life of a dev in some other country, but all attempts to compensate it ignore that on this lower costs we get a decrease in quality on a lot of things, and lots of cool stuff aren't cheaper
I won't say the perfect place to work is the silly valley where people make a fortune and sleep on their cars, but I wouldn't bet on Brazil too
I would put my guess somewhere in the USA, and if outsourcing hits them too bad Europe might be better in the long term.
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@loopback0 said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
For sure, and probably Cambridge and Manchester too.
It depends very much where you live in Manchester. Much of the city is cheap to live in, but that's because it is awful in those parts. Apartments in the middle are very expensive, as is the stockbroker belt in Cheshire.
Some of the bars in the middle are crazy expensive too, but most of the other Manchester prices aren't out of line with the UK average (and there remain places to eat that are both cheap and good). You just have to not care about being trendy.
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@jinpa I have to say I feel embarrassed for my country that with such a large difference in developer costs we still can't produce anything like a FAANG company
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@dkf said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
@loopback0 said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
For sure, and probably Cambridge and Manchester too.
It depends very much where you live in Manchester. Much of the city is cheap to live in, but that's because it is awful in those parts. Apartments in the middle are very expensive, as is the stockbroker belt in Cheshire.
Some of the bars in the middle are crazy expensive too, but most of the other Manchester prices aren't out of line with the UK average (and there remain places to eat that are both cheap and good). You just have to not care about being trendy.
Yeah but I wasn't replying to the cost of living part of the post.
IIRC wages in Manchester for dev jobs are higher than a lot of the country.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
@jinpa I have to say I feel embarrassed for my country that with such a large difference in developer costs we still can't produce anything like a FAANG company
I wouldn't feel too bad. Most of the work from FAANGs is probably outsourced to you.
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@loopback0 said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
IIRC wages in Manchester for dev jobs are higher than a lot of the country.
Demand is reasonably high so compensation goes up.
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@DogsB said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
Better than Ireland though. Dublin would be paid less than the uk and cost of living would be higher than london.
It's a
randommiscellaneous Twitter account - it probably included Southern Ireland in the UK
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You think you’re soooooooo funny.
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@Arantor said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
You think you’re soooooooo funny.
I mean, that would have been worth at least a snicker back in my junior high days.
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@izzion said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
@Arantor said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
You think you’re soooooooo funny.
I mean, that would have been worth at least a snicker back in my junior high days.
Sure, and as a teenager I’d have sniggered too. But he’s a 50-something guy with more money than anyone else and this is the result?
It’s not even dad-joke awful.
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dickipedia.org is surprisingly up for grabs, FWIW.
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@Arantor said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
But he’s a 50-something guy with more money than anyone else and this is the result?
Um...yeah?
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@izzion said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
@Arantor said in Miscellaneous Tweets:
You think you’re soooooooo funny.
I mean, that would have been worth at least a snicker back in my junior high days.
I'd find that funny now. It's not my money.
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