It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account
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@Zerosquare said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
Will the real Jeff Atwood please stand up?
People Who are not Jeff Atwood thread is
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@stillwater said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
Also is this the real Jeff Atwood?
Looks like. He's like this about topics that he thinks he's the expert about.
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And he was doing so well at seeming to have understood that he was previously a huge asshole.
And what he continues to fail to understand is that, actually it’s possible to have mutual respect etc in a place like this. There are definitely people here that are respected, those same people are respectful to others in turn.
What we all have an issue with is stupid - and sometimes we don’t even know why it’s stupid, but we know that posting here will almost certainly be enlightening.
The worst part is that a place like this is almost certainly more well adjusted for the most part than “civilised Discourse” style communities. People here say what they actually think, rightly and wrongly.
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@Arantor said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
People here say what they actually think
Except when we're , of course, which we do a lot. A few of us are either permanent s or utter morons; I'm still not sure which. (, of course.) I don't respect those specific individuals, although if they really are s and aren't really as stupid as they appear, I have to reluctantly respect their effort and persistence in keeping up the facade.
There are about 3 people I can think of who fit in that category. There's a fourth who seems to fit about half the time and is quite reasonable the other half: I think he just forgets to take his brain with him when he goes into the .
OTOH, some of the most toxic people here are among the most respected. If the word friend can be used for someone whom you've never met and only interacted with through an internet forum, there's one in particular whom I'd call a friend, even though we utterly disagree on some things I consider very important (we agree on many others). Yet, he would be the first to be banned if the civilized people had their way.
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@HardwareGeek It's really complicated, who'd have thought?
I will say I respect the majority of people here. There are a few I don't, I suspect at least one of them would be quite proud of the fact. I'm certain that I'm not as well respected as I'd like to believe, but I think that fact is probably true of many of us on some level.
I think a lot of the toxicity starts with 'I am right' and not 'I think I'm right but'.
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@Arantor said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
I'm certain that I'm not as well respected as I'd like to believe, but I think that fact is probably true of many of us on some level.
Does forum "reputation" == respect? Probably not really, but I'll continue pretending it does, for the sake of my ego.
I think I'm respected more here than I am IRL, at least by some people. Y'all certainly respect me more than my ex-wife does.
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@stillwater said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@boomzilla said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@codinghorror1 said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@error said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
It felt like you seemed to know better than us how our community should be run, and we were going to have Civilized Discourse whether we liked it or not.
Well, you had synanon going here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synanon -- a culture of debasement and criticism. Me telling you that culture isn't healthy isn't "whether you like it or not", it's more "will we survive as a community?"
What you want is..
Don't tell us what we want when you continue to demonstrate that you don't understand us. As already said here, not everyone thinks like you. Your answers don't work for everyone, but your toxic habit of shoving your opinions down everyone's throat as though they were pronouncements from God kind of turn people off from time to time.
You act like you have some kind of expertise about "civilized discourse"and community but your posts and history tell a different story.
Ouch.
Also is this the real Jeff Atwood?
I believe he is.
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@Zerosquare I'm here, but the imposter is right, paging is bad UX
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@codnghorror said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@Zerosquare I'm here, but the imposter is right, paging is bad UX
It might be bad, but jellypotatoing infiniscroll is worse.
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@Carnage said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
my wife flash her tits
Pics or it didn't happen
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@loopback0 said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
I'm not sure they do that, but I do still have Infiniscroll™ enabled here because while it's not perfect I
do prefer itcouldn't bother to change it .FTFM
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@HardwareGeek said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
Y'all certainly respect me more than my ex-wife does.
False.
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@codinghorror1 said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
Me telling you
"I could tell you some stories..."
"Sure you could and yet many writers do everything in their power to insulate themselves from the common man, from where they live, from where they trade, from where they fight and love and converse and... and... So naturally their work suffers and regresses into empty formalism and... well, I'm spouting off again, but to put it in your language, the theatre becomes as phony as a three-dollar bill."
Pages, however, block reading / listening which is an enormous net negative:
You should have a talk with our local fellow indexing contrarian.
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@Gribnit said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@HardwareGeek said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
Y'all certainly respect me more than my ex-wife does.
False.
I've never tried having ex-wives, but I've been told that they are exceedingly good at not respecting.
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@Carnage said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@Gribnit said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@HardwareGeek said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
Y'all certainly respect me more than my ex-wife does.
False.
I've never tried having ex-wives, but I've been told that they are exceedingly good at not respecting.
Your contempt for my contempt only deepens my contempt.
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@Gribnit Jeff Atwood vs Swampy?
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@Gribnit said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@HardwareGeek said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
Y'all certainly respect me more than my ex-wife does.
False.
I don't know his ex-wife but neither am I gonna dig for that bar.
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@Gribnit said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@codinghorror1 said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
Pages, however, block reading / listening which is an enormous net negative:
You should have a talk with our local fellow indexing contrarian.
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@Deadfast said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
They don't block it, they temporarily pause it. For me a page break is a positive as it forces me to actually think about the information I just read for a short moment.
That's a very interesting way to frame it which I had not considered, but I would view it as an unintended side effect (we can't serve that much info over a modem! 56k warning there are lots of images!) rather than something that was intentionally built to encourage introspection and reading.
But I definitely agree with your thesis: how do we get people to read? And for me, it's about not having to click "next page" over and over and over until I'm dead. Pagination is not the way, other methods might help though? 🤔
@boomzilla said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
You act like you have some kind of expertise about "civilized discourse"and community but your posts and history tell a different story.
I think my accomplishments speak for themselves. I've done much in this world.
- Do I think "one size fits all"? No. There should be lots of websites, lots of different software.
- Am I right about every little detail? Hell no. However, I am right about first principles, e.g. people should always treat each other with caring, empathy, and respect. All (humans) are created equal, of the people, by the people, for the people, etc.
- Did I see a dangerous, unsustainable synanon culture of debasement and criticism here back in 2014? Absolutely yes. I am seeing it is better now and that's the goal. Not "force everyone to use the software exactly my way" but "let's build communities that can survive, whatever software you choose."
@Arantor said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
The worst part is that a place like this is almost certainly more well adjusted for the most part than “civilised Discourse” style communities. People here say what they actually think, rightly and wrongly.
It's incredible to me you consider that "saying what you actually think" incompatible with being kind and caring and empathetic to others. That's a deep misunderstanding of what civilized discourse is. It's covered in the video; I recommend watching the whole thing, where Jon Stewart literally says civilized discourse in the same way I mean it:
https://youtu.be/aFQFB5YpDZE?t=267
(for the record, Crossfire no longer exists. And Tucker no longer wears bowties.)
@Gribnit said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
You should have a talk with our local fellow indexing contrarian.
You should have a look at what Discourse serves when you set your user agent to googlebot.
And I've said my piece and will now shut up.
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@codinghorror1 said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
how do we get people to read?
A deep question, that documentation authors and warning messages writers have pondered for a long time. The answer is: sadly, you don't. You may make it a bit easier for them, but you can't force them, whatever you do.
@codinghorror1 said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
It's incredible to me you consider that "saying what you actually think" incompatible with being kind and caring and empathetic to others.
Okay. What is the kind, caring and empathetic way of saying to someone "I think you're completely wrong and stubborn. You really should shut up and listen to the people who know what they're talking about"?
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@Zerosquare said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
What is the kind, caring and empathetic way of saying to someone "I think you're completely wrong and stubborn. You really should shut up and listen to the people who know what they're talking about"?
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I was just editing my post to preempt that reply, but well played. Have an upvote.
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@codinghorror1 my experience of many years (and hundreds of thousands of posts) of forum life, as well as all the years I’ve interacted with other human beings tells me that the vast majority of people do not want to hear what I think. They want to hear that which answers their question and which validates their views. Which is too bad if my opinion as local expert happens to not want to answer their question or invalidate their views.
The frequency I encounter situations where what I am asked for is a bad idea is “regularly”. I am a developer by day, I talk to clients, I proactively talk them out of spending money because what they want is not what they need and I don’t want to take their money chasing what I know will be a fool’s errand.
Only earlier this week I observed a pissing match on a support forum where the prevailing advice was “update your software, the version you are on is end of life” only for it to be derailed with a genius telling me that I shouldn’t force that change on users. Never mind that the version they’re using went end of life years ago, has known security issues that won’t be fixed etc…
In some ways I wish I could approach life with your boundless optimism for a better tomorrow but all my yesterdays long since disabused me of that notion.
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@codinghorror1 said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
That's a very interesting way to frame it which I had not considered, but I would view it as an unintended side effect (we can't serve that much info over a modem! 56k warning there are lots of images!) rather than something that was intentionally built to encourage introspection and reading.
I agree that it came about as an unintended side effect, but why does that matter? Whether it was intended or not, it is here and it works (for me).
But I definitely agree with your thesis: how do we get people to read?
Not just read, think. Those are not necessarily the same thing.
And for me, it's about not having to click "next page" over and over and over until I'm dead.
Yes, while for me being swamped by a never-ending stream of text is the problem. But as I already said, that's why letting people choose is such a great answer to this dilemma
Pagination is not the way, other methods might help though? 🤔
That's what you say, I say you're wrong. You took something that worked for me and replaced it with something that doesn't (incidentally it doesn't work for the browser either as others have pointed out). Now you're offering to reinvent the wheel, but given your attitude, I fear that the end result will be a square.
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@codinghorror1 I'll take you having a strong and even stubborn opinions other than the design by committee used by C++ any day
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@sockpuppet7 said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@codinghorror1 I'll take you having a strong and even stubborn opinions other than the design by committee used by C++ any day
He's welcome to his opinions, as long as he's not in a position to impose his opinions on me.
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@codinghorror1 that Jon Stewart clip is so you. That guy is such a tool, though to your credit your not a transparent hypocritical concern troll like him. You're more like C.S. Lewis's moral busybody.
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@HardwareGeek said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
I think he just forgets to take his brain with him when he goes into the .
There’s people who don’t?
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@boomzilla said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@codinghorror1 that Jon Stewart clip is so you. That guy is such a tool, though to your credit your not a transparent hypocritical concern troll like him. You're more like C.S. Lewis's moral busybody.
Can we please leave the opinions in the ?
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@boomzilla said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@codinghorror1 that Jon Stewart clip is so you. That guy is such a tool, though to your credit your not a transparent hypocritical concern troll like him. You're more like C.S. Lewis's moral busybody.
You must admit, our dinner forks, they are not proper dinner forks at all.
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@Rhywden said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@boomzilla said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@codinghorror1 that Jon Stewart clip is so you. That guy is such a tool, though to your credit your not a transparent hypocritical concern troll like him. You're more like C.S. Lewis's moral busybody.
Can we please leave the opinions in the ?
Good lord. Calling Jeff a tool is now garage worthy?
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@boomzilla no but you only really needed the C.S. Lewis moral busybody angle.
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@Arantor it semms like a pretty good description of an ideal Jeff forum.
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@boomzilla I can see where Rhywden was coming from, though. You didn't need to do a political kicking to make the point - it's not like there aren't many other ways to make your point that are less political, but also funny.
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@Arantor said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@boomzilla I can see where Rhywden was coming from, though. You didn't need to do a political kicking to make the point - it's not like there aren't many other ways to make your point that are less political, but also funny.
I don't see any politics in boomzilla's post though...
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@Carnage the Jon Stewart being a concern troll comment (which is primarily over political commentary videos) seemed like a political comment to me.
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@boomzilla “tool” referred to John Stewart in your post, not Jeff.
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@Arantor I think someone other than me brought the politics into the CS Lewis quote. Note that I left out any detail of Jeff's video, and that @Rhywden didn't respond to the person who actually posted something with political content.
@codinghorror1, since you're kind of new here, our general convention is to keep politics in The Garage and out of the general forum. I understood what you were trying to say, but unfortunately, you picked a political video to use and some of our more sensitive readers get pretty out of joint when such uncivilized topics come up.
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@topspin said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@boomzilla “tool” referred to John Stewart in your post, not Jeff.
Yes, but it came right after "that Jon Stewart clip is so you. " Anyways, now that @Rhywden has derailed this thread into meta-garage territory, can we get back to the actual subject?
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@Arantor said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@Carnage the Jon Stewart being a concern troll comment (which is primarily over political commentary videos) seemed like a political comment to me.
Concern trolling is not a politically limited behavior. Neither is being transparent or hypocritical.
Buut, lets just leave it at that lest we run afowl of talking about politics rule that makes everyone so upset.
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@boomzilla said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@topspin said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@boomzilla “tool” referred to John Stewart in your post, not Jeff.
Yes, but it came right after "that Jon Stewart clip is so you. " Anyways, now that @Rhywden has derailed this thread into meta-garage territory, can we get back to the actual subject?
Oh, no no no, you don't get to pin this on me, asshole! You derailed it, I called it out and now you once again have your panties in a twist!
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@Rhywden said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@boomzilla said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@topspin said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@boomzilla “tool” referred to John Stewart in your post, not Jeff.
Yes, but it came right after "that Jon Stewart clip is so you. " Anyways, now that @Rhywden has derailed this thread into meta-garage territory, can we get back to the actual subject?
Oh, no no no, you don't get to pin this on me, asshole!
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@Rhywden said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
you once again have your panties in a twist!
Whose panties are in a twist? @boomzilla's panties seem just fine to me.
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@HardwareGeek said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@Rhywden said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
you once again have your panties in a twist!
Whose panties are in a twist? @boomzilla's panties seem just fine to me.
The point is that he's painting himself as the poor, misunderstood victim here.
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@Rhywden said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@HardwareGeek said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@Rhywden said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
you once again have your panties in a twist!
Whose panties are in a twist? @boomzilla's panties seem just fine to me.
The point is that he's painting himself as the poor, misunderstood victim here.
But really, I'm the victim here.
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@Rhywden said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@HardwareGeek said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@Rhywden said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
you once again have your panties in a twist!
Whose panties are in a twist? @boomzilla's panties seem just fine to me.
The point is that he's painting himself as the poor, misunderstood victim here.
Am I? I thought I was painting you as someone desperate to find anything, no matter how picayune to try to use against people you disagree with. I actually went to some trouble to keep politics out of my post, yet you claim to have found it somehow.
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@Gribnit said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@Rhywden said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@HardwareGeek said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
@Rhywden said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
you once again have your panties in a twist!
Whose panties are in a twist? @boomzilla's panties seem just fine to me.
The point is that he's painting himself as the poor, misunderstood victim here.
But really, I'm the victim here.
Don't tease us.
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@boomzilla He is the victim — the victim of mercury poisoning.
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@boomzilla said in It semms Jeff Atwood has deleted his twitter account:
I actually went to some trouble to keep politics out of my post
<adopts detective stance, and shitty fake Belgian accent because Poirot, I am not>
So you admit it, monsieur, you do admit there was politics in your post, n'est pas? And you did, or did you not, attempt to conceal the politics from zee leetle grey cells of zee other forum goers?
I put it to you, monsieur, that you did knowingly put the politics into the forum in a place where the politics, they do not belong!
Anyway, the politics, they are gone now, and we must return to the more important matter of the day, the mystery of whether or not, the one monsieur Atwood did or did not delete the little tweeter account!
<insert the scene from Swamp Castle after Lancelot has arrived and murdered half the wedding party, and Herbert's father is trying to settle that 'it doesn't matter who killed who' in an attempt to quell the upset that is going on>
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@boomzilla name calling is frowned upon outside the garage