Nope, you city it
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@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistently spelling Wiener wrong? And (Justin) Bieber, too.
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@topspin they're just wierd like that.
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@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistenly spelling Wiener wrong? And (Justin) Bieber, too.Trying to teach all Americans would be unrealistic, but it shouldn't be too hard teaching Justin Beiber how to spell Wiener.
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@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistenly spelling Wiener wrong? And (Justin) Bieber, too.They have difficulties with far more words than that, although “consistently” isn’t one
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@kazitor said in Nope, you eat it:
@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistenly spelling Wiener wrong? And (Justin) Bieber, too.They have difficulties with far more words than that, although “consistently” isn’t one
Muphry strikes again!
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@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistently spelling Wiener wrong?Most Americans have never been to Wien.
And (Justin) Bieber, too.
Most Americans don't care.
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@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistently spelling Wiener wrong?Most Americans have never been to Wien.
This is the most American excuse ever. "You can't reasonably expect me to know anything about the world beyond two blocks from my house!"
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@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
Most Americans have never been to Wien.
Then explain Hamburger. ♟
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@Zecc said in Nope, you eat it:
@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
Most Americans have never been to Wien.
Then explain Hamburger. ♟
Authentic Frikadellen (German Meatballs)
An authentic Frikadellen recipe, these deliciously seasoned meatballs are popular in Germany and Denmark (known as Frikadeller)!
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@dkf mmm....fried mini-meatloaf.
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Aldi's vegan Wonder Burger gets pretty close to tasting and feeling like an actual beef burger. Color me impressed.
It still lacks.. something.. though. Umami maybe?
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@Gąska said in Nope, you eat it:
@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistently spelling Wiener wrong?Most Americans have never been to Wien.
This is the most American excuse ever. "You can't reasonably expect me to know anything about the world beyond two blocks from my house!"
Vienna is the 9th largest city by population in Europe.
What's the minimum number of the top European cities someone has to be able to identify while still being an educated man?
By the way, the US has 19 cities that are larger than Vienna. Do you think most Europeans could properly place all 19 in the correct state?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear the stereotype suggests that plenty of Americans are confused if the US is not the centre of the map, or are confused that Europe is not a country. (Then again there are people confused that Georgia is also the name of a country.)
The difference is that we don’t think of the US as 50 states, we go by your national identity as citizens of the United States of America. It is identified as a single country and therefore a single capital.
Trying to compare the US on a per state level is like comparing to the region of the UK I live in - not even the “England” bit but the “Sussex” part because that’s the number of levels removed.
Would I expect you to know the regional administrative offices in Sussex? Of course not, why would you? But I’d hope for some awareness of capital cities (or cities large enough to be capital cities) for example I know that NY city is in NY state, that Los Angeles and San Francisco are in CA, that Chicago is in Illinois, just off the top of my head.
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@Arantor said in Nope, you eat it:
Would I expect you to know the regional administrative offices in Sussex? Of course not, why would you? But I’d hope for some awareness of capital cities (or cities large enough to be capital cities) for example I know that NY city is in NY state, that Los Angeles and San Francisco are in CA, that Chicago is in Illinois, just off the top of my head.
Knowing state capitals is often difficult (as someone not from the US, so it was never part of any school curriculum for me), as they're frequently not the largest city in the state.
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@Arantor said in Nope, you eat it:
not even the “England” bit but the “Sussex” part
Sussex: Webbed feet
Essex: Webbed fingersYou people and your geography. As an Irishman, with a glint in my eye, a song in my heart and a passport that can get me into most countries unmolested, our only notion of geography is: "Ireland" or "Not Ireland".
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@DogsB said in Nope, you eat it:
our only notion of geography is: "Ireland" or "Not Ireland".
You are honorary Americans.
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@Arantor said in Nope, you eat it:
Would I expect you to know the regional administrative offices in Sussex? Of course not, why would you? But I’d hope for some awareness of capital cities (or cities large enough to be capital cities) for example I know that NY city is in NY state, that Los Angeles and San Francisco are in CA, that Chicago is in Illinois, just off the top of my head.
Well for one thing, none of those are the capital cities of the states they're in. (The capital of New York State is Albany, which is the 77th largest city in the US and 1/5th the size of Vienna). It's completely implausible to expect Europeans to properly place the top 77 US cities.
More to the point, though, there are important cultural differences between different areas of the US. When You Guys have different cultures, You Guys mostly have different countries.
Sure, we've got a cultural stereotype of "Europeans" that kind of blends all the different cultures together. But you guys are doing the same thing with "Americans." You get that, right?
In any case, where's Phoenix? What can you tell me about it? Is Phoenix a more important city than Vienna? Does someone need to know about Phoenix in order to be an educated man?
Because Phoenix is twice the size of Vienna.
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@Arantor said in Nope, you eat it:
I know that NY city is in NY state
Ah, but what state is Kansas City in?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
Is Phoenix a more important city than Vienna?
To whom? The Arizonans or the Austrians?
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@dkf Yes
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
@Gąska said in Nope, you eat it:
@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistently spelling Wiener wrong?Most Americans have never been to Wien.
This is the most American excuse ever. "You can't reasonably expect me to know anything about the world beyond two blocks from my house!"
Vienna is the 9th largest city by population in Europe.
What's the minimum number of the top European cities someone has to be able to identify while still being an educated man?
By the way, the US has 19 cities that are larger than Vienna. Do you think most Europeans could properly place all 19 in the correct state?
That's pretty irr
to the issue, unless you think not knowing that Chicago is in Illinois is the same as consistently writing "Chickaggo Pizza".E: I typo-ed consistently again. Different typo this time, and hopefully fixed before anyone noticed. If anything is consistent, it is indeed Muphry.
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@DogsB said in Nope, you eat it:
@Arantor said in Nope, you eat it:
not even the “England” bit but the “Sussex” part
Sussex: Webbed feet
Essex: Webbed fingersYou people and your geography. As an Irishman, with a glint in my eye, a song in my heart and a passport that can get me into most countries unmolested, our only notion of geography is: "Ireland" or "Not Ireland".
For me it's "Ireland" and "Whish this was Ireland".
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
In any case, where's Phoenix?
In AZ.
What can you tell me about it?
It's too hot. Like seriously, way too hot.
And close to our beloved
.Is Phoenix a more important city than Vienna?
Nothing that hot can possibly be important.
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@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
In any case, where's Phoenix?
In AZ.
Correct.
What can you tell me about it?
It's too hot. Like seriously, way too hot.
Correct
And close to our beloved
.Correct
Is Phoenix a more important city than Vienna?
Nothing that hot can possibly be important.
Also, correct. A+
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@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
@Gąska said in Nope, you eat it:
@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistently spelling Wiener wrong?Most Americans have never been to Wien.
This is the most American excuse ever. "You can't reasonably expect me to know anything about the world beyond two blocks from my house!"
Vienna is the 9th largest city by population in Europe.
What's the minimum number of the top European cities someone has to be able to identify while still being an educated man?
By the way, the US has 19 cities that are larger than Vienna. Do you think most Europeans could properly place all 19 in the correct state?
That's pretty irr
to the issue, unless you think not knowing that Chicago is in Illinois is the same as consistently writing "Chickaggo Pizza".It's not though. The stereotype isn't that Americans are bad at spelling loanwords from German. The stereotype is that Americans don't care about Important Cultural Knowledge like "Where is Vienna?"
While it's true, it's not a fair charge because Vienna isn't as important as Europeans think it is.
Everyone knows about the actual major cities. New York and LA. London, Paris, and Berlin. Beijing. Moscow.
Vienna (and Phoenix) are a couple tiers below that.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
Vienna is the 9th largest city by population in Europe.
Nonsense. It's a village in Illinois with less than 2,000 inhabitants.
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@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
Europe ... Beijing.
It's in Warsaw.
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: We are better Chinese.
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@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
Europe ... Beijing.
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I'm sorry, that was a complete list of all the major cities in Western culture that an educated man is expected to know about.
Obviously not all of them are in Europe.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
that was a complete list of all the major cities in Western culture that an educated man is expected to know about.
I'm going to give that a
, too. There are some other major cities that are missing. Rome, for example. Just slightly significant in Western culture.
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@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
that was a complete list of all the major cities in Western culture that an educated man is expected to know about.
I'm going to give that a
, too. There are some other major cities that are missing. Rome, for example. Just slightly significant in Western culture.Across history? Sure. Add Rome, Jerusalem, and Mecca.
In 2021? Rome isn't nearly as important.
FAKE EDIT: Oh, alternatively add Rome and Athens if that's what you were going for.
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@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@Arantor said in Nope, you eat it:
I know that NY city is in NY state
Ah, but what state is Kansas City in?
Yes
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
@Gąska said in Nope, you eat it:
@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistently spelling Wiener wrong?Most Americans have never been to Wien.
This is the most American excuse ever. "You can't reasonably expect me to know anything about the world beyond two blocks from my house!"
Vienna is the 9th largest city by population in Europe.
What's the minimum number of the top European cities someone has to be able to identify while still being an educated man?
By the way, the US has 19 cities that are larger than Vienna. Do you think most Europeans could properly place all 19 in the correct state?
That's pretty irr
to the issue, unless you think not knowing that Chicago is in Illinois is the same as consistently writing "Chickaggo Pizza".It's not though.
The quote chain disagrees with that.
I know, as it ends with my post.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
The stereotype is that Americans don't care about Important Cultural Knowledge like "Where is Vienna?"
FWIW, it's in northern Virginia.
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@HardwareGeek Kansas and Missouri. I've been over that state line in person!
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
@Gąska said in Nope, you eat it:
@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistently spelling Wiener wrong?Most Americans have never been to Wien.
This is the most American excuse ever. "You can't reasonably expect me to know anything about the world beyond two blocks from my house!"
Vienna is the 9th largest city by population in Europe.
What's the minimum number of the top European cities someone has to be able to identify while still being an educated man?
5 or 6, never checked which cities qualify. It's country capitals you're supposed to know.
By the way, the US has 19 cities that are larger than Vienna. Do you think most Europeans could properly place all 19 in the correct state?
Do those 19 cities have 1000 years of history and were the epicenter of an event that changed the entire world at one point or another? Is each of those cities associated with distinct people of a distinct culture speaking a distinct langusge?
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@Gąska said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
@Gąska said in Nope, you eat it:
@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistently spelling Wiener wrong?Most Americans have never been to Wien.
This is the most American excuse ever. "You can't reasonably expect me to know anything about the world beyond two blocks from my house!"
Vienna is the 9th largest city by population in Europe.
What's the minimum number of the top European cities someone has to be able to identify while still being an educated man?
5 or 6, never checked which cities qualify. It's country capitals you're supposed to know.
All of them? Because there's about 200 countries, and most of them don't matter. Also, I'm from a country where the national capital isn't in the top five most important cities in the country. (New York because of the stock market, LA because of Hollywood, the San Francisco Bay Area because Silicon Valley, Chicago because of commodities trading, and (sigh) Boston, which has some of the world's most prestigious universities. DC is probably 6th, though. Maybe 7th, behind Dallas and the oil industry.) Most US state capitols are similarly not the most important city in their state.
Also, when I said Vienna was "the 9th largest European city", I probably should have been including Moscow. So it's really the 10th, and not in the top 5 or 6.
If I had to guess at the six most important European cities - explicitly not counting Moscow this time, and I'm not putting them in order, - I'd guess London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Amsterdam, and Brussels.
How does my list compare with yours?
By the way, the US has 19 cities that are larger than Vienna. Do you think most Europeans could properly place all 19 in the correct state?
Do those 19 cities have 1000 years of history and were the epicenter of an event that changed the entire world at one point or another? Is each of those cities associated with distinct people of a distinct culture speaking a distinct langusge?
Do the Austrians speak a disinct language from the Germans? Heck, do they have a different culture than Germany?
Because the most recent time that I'm aware of that an Austrian was at the epicenter of an event that changed the entire world, he got himself elected Chancellor of Germany by appealing to German patriotism and nobody thought it was weird.
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@Gąska said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
By the way, the US has 19 cities that are larger than Vienna. Do you think most Europeans could properly place all 19 in the correct state?
Do those 19 cities have 1000 years of history and were the epicenter of an event that changed the entire world at one point or another? Is each of those cities associated with distinct people of a distinct culture speaking a distinct langusge?
To be fair, not many Europeans could find Chengdu (larger than any city in either EU or US) on a map either, no matter its 4000-year history. Or that megacity from a time when Europe considered 50,000 people a metropolis.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
Do the
AustriansCanadians speak a disinct language from theGermansAmericans? Heck, do they have a different culture thanGermanythe USA?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
Because the most recent time that I'm aware of that an Austrian was at the epicenter of an event that changed the entire world, he got himself elected Chancellor of Germany by appealing to German patriotism and nobody thought it was weird.
Well, you did it. You Godwin'd the gross food thread.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
@Gąska said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
@Gąska said in Nope, you eat it:
@HardwareGeek said in Nope, you eat it:
@topspin said in Nope, you eat it:
@boomzilla without going full
, what's it with Americans consistently spelling Wiener wrong?Most Americans have never been to Wien.
This is the most American excuse ever. "You can't reasonably expect me to know anything about the world beyond two blocks from my house!"
Vienna is the 9th largest city by population in Europe.
What's the minimum number of the top European cities someone has to be able to identify while still being an educated man?
5 or 6, never checked which cities qualify. It's country capitals you're supposed to know.
All of them?
You can skip the Balkans.
Because there's about 200 countries
We were talking Europe. Stop
all the fucking time.Also, when I said Vienna was "the 9th largest European city", I probably should have been including Moscow. So it's really the 10th, and not in the top 5 or 6.
But it's a capital. Brussels and Amsterdam aren't in the top 10 either but it's still pretty important to know. And you should've at least heard of Prague, Stockholm, Dublin and Lisboa if you want to be seen as educated.
Do those 19 cities have 1000 years of history and were the epicenter of an event that changed the entire world at one point or another? Is each of those cities associated with distinct people of a distinct culture speaking a distinct langusge?
Do the Austrians speak a disinct language from the Germans?
Yes.
Heck, do they have a different culture than Germany?
Germans themselves have nine different cultures. They're a federal country like USA.
Because the most recent time that I'm aware of that an Austrian was at the epicenter of an event that changed the entire world, he got himself elected Chancellor of Germany by appealing to German patriotism and nobody thought it was weird.
Just continuing the centuries long tradition of Austrian emperors ruling over German lands.
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@Zerosquare said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
Do the
AustriansCanadians speak a disinct language from theGermansAmericans? Heck, do they have a different culture thanGermanythe USA? You're not wrong. Which is why I didn't look up whether Toronto or Montreal was the capitol of Canada and add that to the list.
(Because I apparently have to say this every time I make this joke,
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
Which is why I didn't look up whether Toronto or Montreal was the capitol of Canada
Oh the irony.
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@Zerosquare said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
Do the
AustriansCanadians speak a disinct language from theGermansAmericans? Heck, do they have a different culture thanGermanythe USA? Some Canadians speak a strange language where half the letters are silent, and their calendar week starts on Monday
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@Gąska said in Nope, you eat it:
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Nope, you eat it:
Because there's about 200 countries
We were talking Europe. Stop
all the fucking time.Fine. Wikipedia says that there's "about 50" countries in Europe. I think that it's too much to ask that every educated person memorize all 50 European capitals, especially if they don't have any specific dealings with any country in Europe.
Also, when I said Vienna was "the 9th largest European city", I probably should have been including Moscow. So it's really the 10th, and not in the top 5 or 6.
But it's a capital. Brussels and Amsterdam aren't in the top 10 either but it's still pretty important to know. And you should've at least heard of Prague, Stockholm, Dublin and Lisboa if you want to be seen as educated.
I've heard of the first three. I was about to accuse you of including a fake one on the list, but I looked it up and the English transliteration for the capital of Portugal is "Libson," so fine. 4 of 4.
I don't necessarily expect people to match any of the three to to the right country beyond "It's somewhere in Europe." But there's "about 50" US states, and I don't expect Europeans to match those capitals to those states either.
Do the Austrians speak a disinct language from the Germans?
Yes.
The page that starts with:
Austrian German... is the variety of German language written and spoken in Austria?
If it's a "variety of German language" then it's not a district language from the one they speak in Germany.
Because the most recent time that I'm aware of that an Austrian was at the epicenter of an event that changed the entire world, he got himself elected Chancellor of Germany by appealing to German patriotism and nobody thought it was weird.
Just continuing the centuries long tradition of Austrian emperors ruling over German lands.
So, Vienna has been a city in Europe for about 2000 years. But it's been on and off between being the capital of an independent country and being conquered by a foreign power for most of that time. It's only been the capital of Austria continuously since 1946. Most US state capitals have been capitals for longer than that.
Germans themselves have nine different cultures. They're a federal country like USA.
This I'm seriously interested in.
Obviously the motorsports guys behind BMW and Mercedes and Porsche are a different culture than the shit porn guys. But I'm interested in knowing how they came up with "there's 9 cultures, rather than 8 or 10" and how they drew those boundaries.
You wouldn't happen to have any info on that, would you?
Austrian German - Wikipedia
