3080 scalping
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@Gąska said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
https://twitter.com/CP2077Countdown/status/1306633648918192137
Do we have a thread about this already? I couldn't find it
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@Zecc Prediction: at least some people will pay the ridiculous prices, so the topic for this would be Unexpected Backfire (TW:
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HA! Take that, 1%ers!
Anyone as poor as me ain't allowed to have one of these things. Anyone who can budget for large purchases ain't allowed to have one of these things. I shall stop Capitalism!
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Also: I think it's (legally) hard to get out of paying a bid. There's some part of the ToS that has pointy ends. If eBay (or the sellers) wants to pursue this, it was very polite of skateordiedgk to confess publicly. There could be a civil suit in the bot-writer's future.
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@PotatoEngineer said in 3080 scalping:
Also: I think it's (legally) hard to get out of paying a bid. There's some part of the ToS that has pointy ends. If eBay (or the sellers) wants to pursue this, it was very polite of skateordiedgk to confess publicly. There could be a civil suit in the bot-writer's future.
Yeah, it's really in their best interest to enforce it too, because otherwise you're basically setting the precedent that users can interfere with auctions freely. That could destroy their whole business model.
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@error said in 3080 scalping:
That could destroy their whole business model.
And this would be bad???
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@error said in 3080 scalping:
@PotatoEngineer said in 3080 scalping:
Also: I think it's (legally) hard to get out of paying a bid. There's some part of the ToS that has pointy ends. If eBay (or the sellers) wants to pursue this, it was very polite of skateordiedgk to confess publicly. There could be a civil suit in the bot-writer's future.
Yeah, it's really in their best interest to enforce it too, because otherwise you're basically setting the precedent that users can interfere with auctions freely. That could destroy their whole business model.
Except their business model relies on fake buyers artificially bumping auction prices until the $1 grows into what the seller is actually willing to sell for.
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@HardwareGeek said in 3080 scalping:
@error said in 3080 scalping:
That could destroy their whole business model.
And this would be bad???
For their interests, yes.
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Nvidia should just have auctioned the damn cards. The end result is exactly the same as with scalpers (for the end user), but the money goes to Nvidia directly (who probably deserves it more).
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@anonymous234
Unless the scalpers are really just Nvidia staff members working on behalf of the company, so the company gets the benefit of monopolistic price discrimination, without the negative PR of a brazen cash grab
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@anonymous234 said in 3080 scalping:
Nvidia should just have auctioned the damn cards. The end result is exactly the same as with scalpers (for the end user), but the money goes to Nvidia directly (who probably deserves it more).
And deal with the greatest PR catastrophe the gaming industry has ever seen?
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@Gąska
Tell customers to stop being whiny bitches.
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@anonymous234 yeah, that's definitely gonna make them like you more...
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@Gąska said in 3080 scalping:
And deal with the greatest PR catastrophe the gaming industry has ever seen?
Hasn't this been happening all the time lately? Switch sold out too (except if you were prepared to pay $$$), and there were a lot more people wanting a switch than a RTX. Hell, even the Cyberpunk-themed xbone was gone in hours of release (again, unless $$$), and that was after the xbox5 was announced.
Not that NVIDIA didn't fuck up/didn't have enough inventory: I'm not sure there ever were any of their founders editions cards available here at all. (But that also happened with the earlier generations. It's so far always been better to wait until they release the whole lineup, so until at least the 3070 is out this time around.)
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@cvi Nope, recently some square-jawed tube jock spit in their fancy mike that their industry anonymous sources told them there's evidence that there is evidence of a "Jensen" collusion.
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@cvi said in 3080 scalping:
@Gąska said in 3080 scalping:
And deal with the greatest PR catastrophe the gaming industry has ever seen?
Hasn't this been happening all the time lately?
I've been talking about auctioning them. Yes, artificially lowering supply happens all the time. But outright calling for highest bidders would cause an outrage of truly epic proportions, one that we've never seen before, not even with EA.
Hell, even the Cyberpunk-themed xbone was gone in hours of release (again, unless $$$), and that was after the xbox5 was announced.
For comparison, 3080 sold out in minutes. Single digit minutes. And it isn't a limited edition collector's item.
Not that NVIDIA didn't fuck up/didn't have enough inventory
Oh, they very much didn't. It was all intentional.
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@Gąska said in 3080 scalping:
And deal with the greatest PR catastrophe the gaming industry has ever seen?
Doesn't seem that bad a PR disaster from here. And it's up against competition from Fallout 76 so…
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Overly large demand is a bit silly, considering how the 3080 isn't the improvement over the 2080 that Nvidia made it to be.
Looking at the actual benchmark numbers it still does not offer the performance I'd like. Also, we have Nvidia's extreme cherry picking of results: "Twice as fast as the 2080!* *In this one specific game. With a setting turned up to have the 2080 run out of VRAM and tank hard performance-wise. Where the real numbers are more like 50%, which is still respectable, but far from the claimed 100%.Also, I looked at a test of raytracing performance. Which hasn't improved one bit from the 20-series, still the same RT cores. There's just more of them on the card. And RTX ON still is the same performance penalty %-wise as the 20-series, doing up to 60% less FPS.
There is also one thought I had about Nvidia's cherry picked result. That actually gives a reason NOT to buy the card. If games are starting to push ultra quality settings that pushes VRAM usage to over 8GB, that 10GB on the 3080 starts looking worryingly limiting for the future. So those looking at 4K gaming with the 3080 may get screwed over within a couple years.
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@Gąska said in 3080 scalping:
But outright calling for highest bidders would cause an outrage of truly epic proportions, one that we've never seen before,
Would that really matter, though?
not even with EA.
EA: releases full priced games, with the worst DRM, micro-transactions, in-game ads, ...
Public:
outcry
Public: buys anyway
EA:
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@topspin said in 3080 scalping:
Public: buys anyway
The observation is accurate, but voting with one's wallet cannot really work if the product is unique. If I want to play a particular game, I'm likely going to get it. If I want a longer e-peen videocard, I'm going to do what I can. Sometimes there are alternatives, but there's also certain hassle involved to change things; I'll take the path of
least resistancemost kneeling.
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@topspin said in 3080 scalping:
not even with EA.
EA: releases full priced games, with the worst DRM, micro-transactions, in-game ads, ...
The sales were so low and return rates so high that they actually lost money on it. It was so bad that they've decided to ditch microtransactions entirely and rebalance the unlockables so everything is much less effort.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in 3080 scalping:
The observation is accurate, but voting with one's wallet cannot really work if the product is unique.
Still works. Nothing that EA produce is a necessary product, all of it being entertainment.
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@Carnage I'm afraid it does not. The concept of being necessary doesn't enter into this equation.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in 3080 scalping:
@Carnage I'm afraid it does not. The concept of being necessary doesn't enter into this equation.
I haven't bought an EA game in years now. You can just skip the stuff they release, it's not hard.
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@Carnage said in 3080 scalping:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in 3080 scalping:
@Carnage I'm afraid it does not. The concept of being necessary doesn't enter into this equation.
I haven't bought an EA game in years now. You can just skip the stuff they release, it's not hard.
I haven't bought anything Sony in decades. I doubt they care.
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@topspin said in 3080 scalping:
@Carnage said in 3080 scalping:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in 3080 scalping:
@Carnage I'm afraid it does not. The concept of being necessary doesn't enter into this equation.
I haven't bought an EA game in years now. You can just skip the stuff they release, it's not hard.
I haven't bought anything Sony in decades. I doubt they care.
No they probably don't. It would be nice if more people voted with their feet and wallet. That'd kill if horrible employers and shitty companies pretty fast, but people in general are pretty bad at it.
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@Carnage people do vote with feet and wallets. It's just their feet and wallets rarely agree with their mouths.
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@Gąska said in 3080 scalping:
@Carnage people do vote with feet and wallets. It's just their feet and wallets rarely agree with their mouths.
True.
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@Carnage said in 3080 scalping:
It would be nice if more people voted with their feet and wallet. That'd kill if horrible employers and shitty companies pretty fast, but people in general are pretty bad at it.
It's not always easy. Sometimes even impossible. Unless you know an ISP that doesn't suck or try to screw over its customers.
This is why consumer protection laws exist. Because nobody in human history has ever achieved anything by trying to convince his peers to vote with their wallets.
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@dfdub said in 3080 scalping:
@Carnage said in 3080 scalping:
It would be nice if more people voted with their feet and wallet. That'd kill if horrible employers and shitty companies pretty fast, but people in general are pretty bad at it.
It's not always easy. Sometimes even impossible. Unless you know an ISP that doesn't suck or try to screw over its customers.
This is why consumer protection laws exist.
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@Gąska too bad you left.
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@topspin Gęxit?
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I wanted to try and get a 3070 at launch but I think I'll let the madness die down and stock levels normalise a few months later.
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@loopback0 said in 3080 scalping:
I wanted to try and get a 3070 at launch but I think I'll let the madness die down and stock levels normalise a few months later.
At that point AMD might actually reveal some details of what their offering is going to be. If rumours are to be believed it's going to be at least on par with the 3070.
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@dfdub said in 3080 scalping:
@topspin Gęxit?
Fun fact: "gę gę" is actually the sound a gąska makes. So it's a very appropriate name.
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3090 be like
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EVGA Says Nvidia RTX 3080 Cap Issues Caused Crashes, Confirms Stability Issues
Capacitors seem to be a contributing factor to recent reports of crashes
:schadenboner.jpg:
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@Gąska said in 3080 scalping:
It's 11FPS! It's unplayable!
That's the frame rate Minecraft runs at on 1080p.
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So, this leaked a few days ago (click to enlarge):
@cheong (or someone else fluent in whatever this is) - can I get a translation of the little texts on the right?
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@Gąska according to Google Translate...
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@sloosecannon RIGHT. On the RIGHT.
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@Gąska oh I thought you meant the other right...
EDIT: Google translated the top one as "Flaghoro", whatever that means, but given it has "flag" in it, and one of the other was "middle", I assume it's tiers (top is probably flagship?)
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@sloosecannon that makes sense. Thanks.
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@sloosecannon said in 3080 scalping:
@Gąska oh I thought you meant the other right...
EDIT: Google translated the top one as "Flaghoro", whatever that means, but given it has "flag" in it, and one of the other was "middle", I assume it's tiers (top is probably flagship?)
With a bit of photo editing magic (Zoom and enhance!) Google Lens gave me "Top Flagship" (3090), "B Flagship" (3080), "Quasi Flagship" (PG142), "Main Force" (3070), and "Auxiliary" (3060).
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@Gąska said in 3080 scalping:
So, this leaked a few days ago (click to enlarge):
@cheong (or someone else fluent in whatever this is) - can I get a translation of the little texts on the right?
RTX 3090 - Top class Flagship
RTX 3080 - Flagship
PG142 SKU O - Sub-flagship
RTX 3070 - Middle class Mainstream
RTX 3060 - Middle class dessert?
