NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????
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@Zerosquare I think it isn't worse as the pulseaudio path prevailed and many of the other components fell into disuse and are not present in any sane distribution anymore.
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@Zerosquare I've never liked that graph and found it horribly misleading, since it puts generic graphic/UI/audio libraries (Allegro, SDL), interface specifications with a very minimal library implementation (libcanberra), sound processors which are supposed to act like mixers and optionally introduce extra effects like equalizers, resamplers or such (Phonon/aRts/PulseAudio), and actual output handling (ALSA, JACK, OSS) in the same basket. Why hasn't the author included every media player in existence back then? It would've made just as much sense. Not to mention that JACK has very different priorities than ALSA does and that's why they coexist to this day.
@Bulb said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Zerosquare I think it isn't worse as the pulseaudio path prevailed and many of the other components fell into disuse and are not present in any sane distribution anymore.
Well, yes and no. I think only aRts and "OSS" can be safely regarded as "dead" here, with "OSS" meaning "OSS3" seeing how this graph was made in 2008. Phonon and ESD have kind of fallen out of use or, rather, been replaced with PulseAudio, but the rest is still more or less alive. And there's OSS4 for those who can't stand ALSA or JACK.
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@Gąska But Linux printing problems take the crown.
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@Bulb said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Zerosquare I think it isn't worse as the pulseaudio path prevailed and many of the other components fell into disuse and are not present in any sane distribution anymore.
Vacuous truth detected!
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@Mason_Wheeler said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Gąska But Linux printing problems take the crown.
IME printing in Linux is surprisingly painless
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@hungrier It never works?
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@Mason_Wheeler said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Gąska But Linux printing problems take the crown.
For being the best, yes. Especially with HP drivers, which come preinstalled and Just Work, no crapware required.
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@boomzilla said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Mason_Wheeler said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Gąska But Linux printing problems take the crown.
For being the best, yes. Especially with HP drivers, which come preinstalled and Just Work, no crapware required.
That's because on Linux printers work with the same generic interface (Postscript? I have no idea) that is used everywhere whereas on Windows you have to install crapware drivers the size of AMD Catalyst and the quality of "you're almost out of ink, please literally print this window to order new ink".
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@topspin said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
AMD Catalyst
PTSD flashes, except nothing's actually flashing because the graphics aren't working
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HOW
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I ALWAYS
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THE ICON
IN THE
NOTIFICATION AREA?
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@Zecc Still better than Teams.
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@dkf said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Zecc Still better than Teams.
IME from all communication services Teams is the least retarded.
I mean, it's still Ward For Very Retarded Children...
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@MrL said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@dkf said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Zecc Still better than Teams.
IME from all communication services Teams is the least retarded.
I mean, it's still Ward For Very Retarded Children...
Well, okay, I can live with that.
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@MrL said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
IME from all communication services Teams is the least retarded.
One of these days, Teams will manage to be able to do a phone call without crashing and dropping out about 25% of the rest of the time. I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to happen.
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@dkf said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@MrL said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
IME from all communication services Teams is the least retarded.
One of these days, Teams will manage to be able to do a phone call without crashing and dropping out about 25% of the rest of the time. I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to happen.
Doesn't happen here
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@dkf said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Zecc Still better than Teams.
I do see the notification icon of Teams in the status area all the time all right, so …
Except for the socks-on-head retarded “domain integration” wannabe-joke, the failure to deliver responses with that one colleague in the other domain, and occasionally needing a restart because they wander into some busy loop, Teams work fairly well for us.
@MrL said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@dkf said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Zecc Still better than Teams.
IME from all communication services Teams is the least retarded.
From the ones I've used at work, yes. Skype used to be usable, but ceased to, and lately I always made the point of calling the Skype-against-Business a Skype-against-Business, because it definitely does nothing good to the business. And then we used WebEx, which mostly worked, but as far as I can tell it was for scheduled meetings only, and I'd rather not remember the juniper-or-what-it-was-jabber that didn't even keep history.
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@dkf said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
phone call without crashing and dropping
have you tried transfering calls? that is always a joy ...
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@Bulb said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
I do see the notification icon of Teams in the status area all the time all right, so …
I don't. But then the only time I run it is for meetings.
Sure it's our official corporate channel. But our sub-company still uses Slack primarily.
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Cor! This'uns a runna! Usely a zombiethread'll just stagga around. Someone musta jammed their thumb up its butthole real bonza.
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@MrL said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@dkf said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Zecc Still better than Teams.
IME from all communication services Teams is the least retarded.
I mean, it's still Ward For Very Retarded Children...I'm still trying to work out why the Zoom desktop client app for Ubuntu (20.04, amd64, etc.) never, ever remembers that I turned the microphone sensitivity up from zero. Most of the rest of it seems to just work, kinda-sorta. Well, except when someone has his camera on and is behind ADSL2+ and is trying to talk, in which case his audio goes up the spout, but that's only marginally Zoom's fault. (Fortunately, that doesn't happen for my stuff, since I "only" have 400Mbps up...)
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
but that's only marginally Zoom's fault
It is Zoom's fault. Zoom should be able to properly prioritize the subchannels, making the video drop out as needed to get the audio through.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
Well, except when someone has his camera on and is behind ADSL2+ and is trying to talk, in which case his audio goes up the spout, but that's only marginally Zoom's fault.
The core problem is the consumer-grade router deciding that the way to deal with excessive up-bound traffic is to buffer it (which works for file uploads, but not for video calls). And because it is a consumer-grade piece of shit, it doesn't really do QoS management either, so there's not really any way for the application to indicate to the router that this stream (audio) is to get priority over that stream (video). When every packet is sacred, time-sensitive applications get the shaft. (I also bet that it isn't doing any sort of prioritisation between TCP and UDP.)
The easiest fix is to have enough bandwidth up that you don't really hit the limits. The second easiest is to reflash the router with some firmware that isn't donkey dreck.
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@dkf said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
QoS management
But it's encryptenated! Wouldn't marking IP packets in any way technically leak information about the plaintext?
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@dkf There is a real time flag that can be set on the packets. And then the application has to manage the flow control – monitor the speeds and reduce the bandwidth when the round-trips get too big.
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@Bulb said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
There is a real time flag that can be set on the packets.
My point is that it doesn't help if the router is such a pile of dung that it ignores that flag. Which the ADSL routers probably are; they're not precisely premium products! Eventually the application should be able to detect the problems, but the junkier the router, the longer that will take. Ultimately you're still trying to squeeze too thick a bundle of realtime streams down an excessively narrow pipe, and that's where stuff is most likely to break.
By contrast, Teams breaks even in cases where it has ample bandwidth and low latency (and hence the routers aren't being a problem).
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@Bulb said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in NEW SKYPE SUCKS BIG GREEN DONKEY DICKS, hows that for a longer title????:
but that's only marginally Zoom's fault
It is Zoom's fault. Zoom should be able to properly prioritize the subchannels, making the video drop out as needed to get the audio through.
True, but it only needs to do that stuff because of the aggressively asymmetrical and not very large bandwidth available. When I'm at home, I apply the "solution" proposed by @dkf of hugely over-supplying bandwidth. (With 400Mbps up available, Zoom cannot come close to saturating it...)
And of course the other bandwidth hog in Zoom is if the ADSL user is also sharing his screen, double points for having a fast-updating GIF on-screen.