In our French Overlord's IT group, it's still 1998
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@boomzilla said:
@Jaime said:
I'd hate to work for some of you people. A typical worker's email storage space costs less than their office chair. It seems like some of you would come to the conclusion "Why should work provide you with a chair? You could work all day standing. Spoiled bastards."
I dunno. My brother in law got a standing desk and he loves it.
I'm strongly considering getting a standing desk at work. Being nosy, what made your brother pull the trigger?
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@boomzilla said:
@Jaime said:
I'd hate to work for some of you people. A typical worker's email storage space costs less than their office chair. It seems like some of you would come to the conclusion "Why should work provide you with a chair? You could work all day standing. Spoiled bastards."
I dunno. My brother in law got a standing desk and he loves it.I've been campaigning to get a treadmill desk. They keep saying, "too expensive for one employee", and I'm like "well, look, we all have laptops, just put one on the floor and enter it into Outlook as a resource so people can 'rent' it" and they don't get it. That was a month ago, I should try again. They just bought me a MSDN sub (so, what, $2500?), no questions asked. And it turns out I didn't even need it. But more email storage and a $1000 desk? NO WAY! This company is just confused.
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@blakeyrat said:
@boomzilla said:
@Jaime said:
I'd hate to work for some of you people. A typical worker's email storage space costs less than their office chair. It seems like some of you would come to the conclusion "Why should work provide you with a chair? You could work all day standing. Spoiled bastards."
I dunno. My brother in law got a standing desk and he loves it.I've been campaigning to get a treadmill desk. They keep saying, "too expensive for one employee", and I'm like "well, look, we all have laptops, just put one on the floor and enter it into Outlook as a resource so people can 'rent' it" and they don't get it. That was a month ago, I should try again. They just bought me a MSDN sub (so, what, $2500?), no questions asked. And it turns out I didn't even need it. But more email storage and a $1000 desk? NO WAY! This company is just confused.
Yeah, a treadmill desk is what he has. It sounds horrible to me, but he seems to love it.
A follow up on the email thing. Do you know if many other people have bumped up against the limit? Or maybe they just keep theirs cleaned out. In any case, it would make sense to increase mailbox sizes as the general workforce's stuff grew. Buying and maintaining the extra storage makes less sense if it's just one or a few people who would benefit.
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I'm with Blakeyrat on this. Not too long ago OUR It Group made loud and boisterois claims that deleting 8 TB of e-mails was going to save the company over $1 MILLION dollars a year.
Umm? How?? What???
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@blakeyrat said:
@boomzilla said:
@Jaime said:
I'd hate to work for some of you people. A typical worker's email storage space costs less than their office chair. It seems like some of you would come to the conclusion "Why should work provide you with a chair? You could work all day standing. Spoiled bastards."
I dunno. My brother in law got a standing desk and he loves it.I've been campaigning to get a treadmill desk. They keep saying, "too expensive for one employee", and I'm like "well, look, we all have laptops, just put one on the floor and enter it into Outlook as a resource so people can 'rent' it" and they don't get it. That was a month ago, I should try again. They just bought me a MSDN sub (so, what, $2500?), no questions asked. And it turns out I didn't even need it. But more email storage and a $1000 desk? NO WAY! This company is just confused.
My dad built himself a treadmill desk out of a freebie/ultra-cheap 'please take it away' treadmill he found in the local paper/craigslist/some-such, an old desk, and some extra bits of wood to raise it a bit. Seems to work.
Would your overlords pay to replace a broken treadmill-desk if you already had one in the office? If so, you don't even need a working treadmill to build one. Or even to build one at all, I guess.
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@boomzilla said:
A follow up on the email thing. Do you know if many other people have bumped up against the limit?
Every time I post a WTF, you just grill me with questions about it for days and days and days.
I'm going to reply here what I did to the last time you did that: if you don't have enough information here to decide whether it's a WTF, it'll just have to be a mystery to you.
ALSO: MascarponeRun, I loved your poem. CS emailed it out to be before you managed to delete it-- you should post it for realz.
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@blakeyrat said:
ALSO: MascarponeRun, I loved your poem. CS emailed it out to be before you managed to delete it-- you should post it for realz.
Ah, I thought I was a bit late to the joke; someone else had got there first. If you have it in an email, feel free to repost it - I don't think I have a copy. In fact, TRWTF is that CS actually deleted it (from my account's perspective, at least).
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@MascarponeRun said:
Ah, I thought I was a bit late to the joke; someone else had got there first.
You seem to be under the strange impression that this forum stays on-topic.
@MascarponeRun said:
In response to a new Blakeyrant,
Came a post from a dickweed pedant:
"You're wrong and you know it,
And you don't need a poet,
To tell you you can't always have what you want.".Said Herr Blake in response to the fool,
"I don't know what they taught at your school,
But where I come from,
It's known to be wrong,
To make false economies (as a rule)."
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We get warnings if we use more than 100MB of email server space. One you hit 200MB, you don't get any more emails and so get told to stop whatever your doing and sort out your emails. No problem - just download all the emails from the server and store them locally.Company policy states that all servers must be backed up nightly (incremental + weekly full) so you can't just buy another 2TB harddisk and throw it in - you'd have to document how you would backup the additional storage space and get that approved and then ensure its hot swappable in case of failure (its forbidden to power down a server without approval, and that could take weeks)
Theres no such policy on work stations, so throwing a 2TB drive into one of those is no problem. If you have stuff you'd rather not lose if the HD fails, then you store it in your documents folder which is automatically backed up to a departmental file server.
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@blakeyrat said:
Hell, everybody at my company is doing their damndest to keep our company separate from the heap of shit that is the rest of the French Overlord conglom-corp... which is one reason we still have Outlook, even though we had to fight tooth and nail to keep it.
Various of your comments make me think I might have some insight into your company's situation. If yes, then the 'French Overlords" have decreed that you will switch to Lotus Notes with your next email server upgrade of any kind. As such, your IT organization has to make do with the hardware they have, or go to Lotus Notes.
Actually, that's not completely accurate. They're trying to scrounge money from the server support and maintenance budgets to buy an email server upgrade on the sly. But to do that, they need to defray costs from those buckets as much as possible. Whether or not it costs the company as a whole more to have email quotas is irrelevant. They don't have access to fudge with money from the company as a whole budget. So every support ticket you put into the system delays the time when they'll be able to actually buy their on the sly upgrade. If there are enough support tickets, or enough hardware failures, they won't be able to do it at all, and in a few years when the current hardware can't keep up with the job at all, y'all will be going to Lotus Nots.
@blakeyrat said:
Auto-archive in Outlook on our network environment just causes Outlook to crash-- the default auto-archive location is in Documents, which, as I've previously stated, is a network drive. Since Outlook can't open .pst files on network drives without locking up, about the only thing our French Overlords did correctly here is disable auto-archive.
A better fix would be to change the auto-archive location to something on the local drive. It wouldn't be the default anymore, but it should work.
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@blakeyrat said:
I'm going to reply here what I did to the last time you did that: if you don't have enough information here to decide whether it's a WTF, it'll just have to be a mystery to you.
I get it. You're just anti-social and don't like to interact with people.
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@boomzilla said:
@blakeyrat said:
I'm going to reply here what I did to the last time you did that: if you don't have enough information here to decide whether it's a WTF, it'll just have to be a mystery to you.
I get it. You're just anti-social and don't like to interact with people.Aren't we all?
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@serguey123 said:
@boomzilla said:
@blakeyrat said:
I'm going to reply here what I did to the last time you did that: if you don't have enough information here to decide whether it's a WTF, it'll just have to be a mystery to you.
I get it. You're just anti-social and don't like to interact with people.Aren't we all?
Fuck off.
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It's not really still 1998. You may have a backwards mailbox, but it's not 1998.
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Hmm, because of all those inbox restriction I'm thinking that blakey works for Tai Yong Medical (game reference)
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@blakeyrat said:
I threw up a little bit in my mouth when I read that. There's a word for someone who tries to paint their own petty grievances as a noble utopian crusade for the betterment of all mankind, and that word is "pretentious".But when I say, "email users should be able to send as many files as they like and store as many emails as they like"? You'll never convince me. Not in a billion years. That is because I have vision, and I like to see the way things should be instead of the way they have to be in this shitty thing we call "reality". But the nice thing about people who have vision is that if enough people have the same vision, the vision becomes the reality. The world is what we make of it, and when it comes to the IT world, it's up to us in this forum to make it fucking awesome.
@blakeyrat said:
So stop saying no, stop being afraid of change, and go kick some ass.
But what is it you're really asking for anyway? The technological side of the problem already IS solved; constantly-falling mass storage costs, combined with the ongoing migration of dedup technologies from backup into live storage, means that what you're asking for - being able to send unlimited numbers of arbitrarily-sized email attachments and only have the server keep one copy so you don't have to flush your mailbox - is already inevitable. It's going to happen; you just need to wait a couple of years. If you're still complaining, then what you're actually complaining about is the allocation of resources in a capitalist society - that's why everyone gave you all these explanations in terms of cost-benefit and resource allocation priority analyses - so if you still want to do something about it, welcome to the revolution comrade, your copy of "The theory and practice of collective oligarchism" is in the post. But if, however, we discount your pretentious claim to be concerned with the noble cause of progress, then it looks like what you're really complaining about is the necessity of ordinary, boring, workaday routine maintenance tasks. Yet, even once email is solved, there will still always be other dull routine chores you'll have to do. Until we rebuild the entire world out of nanobots, there will always be machines and systems, and they will always need maintenance, and HELL! At least we're the guys who get paid to do that.TL;DR: If your boss is dumb enough to pay you the same wages for gruntwork as you earn hourly for skillfully programming advanced computer systems, you'd be daft not to just take it and be happy.
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@DaveK said:
Until we rebuild the entire world out of nanobots, there will always be machines and systems, and they will always need maintenance, and HELL! At least we're the guys who get paid to do that.
Your picture is of a world where even MORE maintenance is required. :)
@DaveK said:
TL;DR: If your boss is dumb enough to pay you the same wages for gruntwork as you earn hourly for skillfully programming advanced computer systems, you'd be daft not to just take it and be happy.
Can't argue with that, but sometimes it's hard to swallow your pride and say "Yessir, I'll sweep the floor."
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@mahlerrd said:
@DaveK said:
Until we rebuild the entire world out of nanobots, there will always be machines and systems, and they will always need maintenance, and HELL! At least we're the guys who get paid to do that.
Your picture is of a world where even MORE maintenance is required. :)
Yes, but not by us. At least, my hands aren't that small. Yours might be, but mine are not.
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@tgape said:
@mahlerrd said:
The most difficult bit about nanobot maintenance is finding a picospanner to undo the femtonuts with.@DaveK said:
Until we rebuild the entire world out of nanobots, there will always be machines and systems, and they will always need maintenance, and HELL! At least we're the guys who get paid to do that.
Your picture is of a world where even MORE maintenance is required. :)
Yes, but not by us. At least, my hands aren't that small. Yours might be, but mine are not.
