What kind of Knight are you?
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https://www.brandonsanderson.com/official-knights-radiant-order-quiz/
Another fictional character personality quiz, but this one was actually set up by the author, and for a real purpose: with the Kickstarter they're going to run next month for a leatherbound edition of The Way Of Kings, one of the rewards will be patches with a Radiant Order glyph on them. This is the suggested method for undecided people to choose their preferred order to get a patch for.
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Apparently I'm a Windrunner:
Speak again the ancient oaths: Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination.
You are a Windrunner which gives you access to the Surges of Adhesion and Gravitation. Adhesion allows you to bind things together. Gravitation allows you to change the direction and strength of an object’s gravitational attraction, including that of yourself, which essentially gives you the power of flight.
The Windrunners are primarily scouts, though they often also work as special forces groups--able to deliver teams of Radiants behind enemy lines for secret missions. The order tends to attract 'big sibling' types, who want to look out for the defenseless--but also those who enjoy action and want to fight for what they believe in. Windrunners tend to be the most like conventional soldiers, believing in structures of command, team dynamics, and the importance of a squad of brothers and sisters. They tend to have larger numbers of squires than other orders and focus more than any other order on mastering their weapons.
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Speak again the ancient oaths: Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination.
You are an Elsecaller which gives you access to the Surges of Transformation and Transportation. Transformation allows you to soulcast objects from one material into another. Transportation allows you to travel between the Cognitive and Physical realms.
Thoughtful, careful, and cautious, the Elsecallers are generally regarded as the wisest of the Radiants. They seek self-improvement and personal betterment in their lives but aren't limited to one specific theme or set of ideals. This makes them one of the most open and welcoming of orders, though they do tend to attract those who are less flamboyant. They have their share of scholars, and often a large number of theologians, but also attract those who are interested in leadership. They are good at encouraging others, but some are known to put their sights upon the things they want and then seize them. In the Knights Radiant, they tend to be among the best tacticians, and are logistical geniuses, aided in part by their abilities to create food and water for armies, but also their ability to move in and out of Shadesmar.
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@Gąska said in What kind of Knight are you?:
Thoughtful, careful, and cautious, the Elsecallers are generally regarded as the wisest of the Radiants.
This line intrigues me, because the one Elsecaller we've seen so far could be best described as a prosocial psychopath. (ie. the charismatic type who ends up as cult leaders or CEOs in our world. On Roshar... well... yeah. If you've read it you know what happened, and if you haven't, you really should!) This is someone whose response to learning about a failed genocide was disgust at its failure, who used a vigilante murder spree of a handful of criminals as a philosophical object lesson, and whose first reaction to learning about the way the Desolation cycle really worked was "we should find some Heralds and kill them to fix this."
Thoughtful, careful, cautious and wise does not fit this character particularly well at all!
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@Mason_Wheeler said in What kind of Knight are you?:
@Gąska said in What kind of Knight are you?:
Thoughtful, careful, and cautious, the Elsecallers are generally regarded as the wisest of the Radiants.
This line intrigues me, because the one Elsecaller we've seen so far could be best described as a prosocial psychopath.
Most accurate personality test ever!
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Speak again the ancient oaths: Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination.
You are a Truthwatcher which gives you access to the Surges of Progression and Regrowth and Illumination. Progression and Regrowth allows you to heal organisms and alter their growth. Illumination allows you to create illusions.
The Truthwatchers are seen as reserved and quiet, mostly known as the most scholarly order of Knights Radiant. They tend to attract scientists primarily, but also scholars or thinkers of all types. This extends to some who might not normally be known as scholarly but instead as someone reserved, often consumed by their own thoughts. In general, they tend to be reserved, particularly in person, though a small minority of Truthwatchers are greatly concerned with the actions of the powerful and might be likened to investigative reporters. These make their opinions known loudly and forcefully, particularly if they think someone in power is abusing that power or lying about fundamental truths. Note that, like all Knights Radiant, there is great disagreement within the order about what is the truth. However, Truthwatchers tend to approach these discussions with enthusiasm, even if they generally prefer to write their opinions rather than speak them. Among the Knights Radiant, the Truthwatchers tend to be those who hold the knowledge and secrets of Surgebinding, and are the ones to discover many of the newer advances in things like fabrial technology.
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Truthwatcher, at 63%.
Don't know what that means though.
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@Captain You need to read the books then!
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Speak again the ancient oaths: Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination.
You are a Willshaper which gives you access to the Surges of Transportation and Cohesion. Transportation allows you to travel between the Cognitive and Physical realms. Cohesion allows you to alter the shape of solid objects.
The Willshapers have a reputation for attracting builders, craftspeople, and creators to the Radiants. However, while this aspect of them is accurate, the actual membership of the order is far more varied. Their powers lend themselves to creation, true, but their oaths are focused on freedom and personal fulfillment. Many among the Willshapers are warriors focused on freeing those who are captive, and others are focused on radical self-expression. The Willshapers contain many gregarious and even flamboyant characters who make their own way, taking the path they chose. They are united through a love of building, but some consider building of society to be more important than the building of structures. Among the Willshapers, you'll find both those who dress in very conservative styles and those who wear very daring and original styles. The common ground is that both agree that freedom to express who you are is the important part. Among the Radiants, they are generally focused on building, training, and making infrastructure. In war, they might be sent to a town to fortify it against an oncoming invasion, and before or in the wake of Desolations, they would teach the people things like sanitation, bronzeworking, or other essentials. Anywhere you find someone resisting tyranny or oppression, you'll often find a Willshaper cheering them on.
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@Mason_Wheeler, I'm pretty sure that I discovered The Stormlight Archive, and by extension all of Sanderson's books, because of a post you made on a Stack Exchange a few years ago. I've spent a lot of good time reading through all the Cosmere books these past two years as a result.
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@Placeholder It's possible. I've mentioned it a few times over there.
Was Stormlight your introduction to the Cosmere? That's funny, because Brandon has said, several times, stuff along the lines of "don't introduce people to the Cosmere with The Stormlight Archive. It's so big and so weird that it'll scare them off; they need to learn to trust me first."
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@Mason_Wheeler Yeah, Stormlight was my intro to the Cosmere. I've read enough books from the likes of Tom Clancy and James Clavell that the length itself wasn't intimidating. The artificial time limit imposed on me by borrowing the e-book from a library was a bit of a problem though. By the time I got to Oathbringer I had a much better daily routine that let me get through that book much more quickly.
Then I read the Mistborn trilogy and was shocked by how short it was, comparatively. I had the same reaction with all the rest of the books I've read since then.
I'm actually midway through part 4 of Oathbringer right now, rereading the whole series in preparation for the eventual release of book 4. I learned my lesson and bought the books this time. It was a great way to keep my mind occupied through the worst of the lockdown.
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I got truthwatcher. I might be mistaken but I don't think we've met one in the books yet have we?
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@Jaloopa We have... sort of. At the end of Words of Radiance one character is introduced as a Truthwatcher, and then in Oathbringer... well... even mentioning in vague terms what we learn about this character's bond would be extremely spoilery, so I'll just say "it's complicated."
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@Mason_Wheeler oh, I remember now. Yes, definitely two knights shown to have regrowth. I'm clearly due another reread to get ready for book 4
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@Jaloopa @Placeholder Possibly relevant, depending on how devoted of a fan you are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FUoPMrEGyM
Details on the upcoming Kickstarter. (Among other things.) Also, watch towards the end. When his assistant mentions that "someone in the chat" made a joke about the books being cruelty-free, that was me.
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You are an Edgedancer which gives you access to the Surges of Abrasion and Progression and Regrowth. Abrasion allows you to make objects, including yourself, frictionless. Progression and Regrowth allows you to heal organisms and alter their growth.
Edgedancers are known as being caring and graceful. Among the Knights Radiant, they see it as their duty to care for the common people, and are often less interested in war than they are about trying to improve the daily lives of the common folk. Often, a mid-sized town would have an Edgedancer or two on permanent assignment, where they'd use Regrowth to provide healing and would work for the common good of the town.
Edgedancers tend to be among the more religious of Radiants and is the order where you're most likely to find former religious leaders who end up bonding a spren. During war times, they often act as the mobile medics, eschewing actual combat to heal or pull out the wounded or those trapped in terrible situations. However, there are some renowned for their graceful and skilled prowess in combat, occasionally used as scouts or special forces troops in conjunction with a team of Windrunners or Skybreakers. One should never assume the Edgedancers are in any way base just because they often ignore high society; they are renowned as some of the most refined and graceful Radiants.
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I was also an Edgedancer. I don't know anything about this series, so...
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@Parody edgedancers are cool. One in particular is awesome
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@Mason_Wheeler said in What kind of Knight are you?:
depending on how devoted of a fan you are:
I spend quite a lot of time on the various cosmere subreddits and reading WOBs, but I can't see myself watching a 2 hour video
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@Mason_Wheeler You convinced me to read Brandon Sanderson and man, have I not regretted it. He's become one of my favorite authors basically instantly.
I think my favorite facet of his books is that in many of them, characters have genuine opposing viewpoints. Most authors find it hard to incorporate viewpoints, so they make character motivation about events or power lust. The ones that do, don't really put time into considering them, making them irrelevant in the narrative climax and making the whole thing sort of fall flat. But Sanderson is one of only two authors I've ever read who gives people viewpoints and makes part of the story about them clashing in the ways that they logically would. It gives the setting of the books depth, along with his knack for making believably-alien cultures.
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https://www.brandonsanderson.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/02_skybreaker_placard.jpg
Looking at the results I think the “sorting hat” could assign me to a few of the orders...
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@pie_flavor by the way, if anyone is interested in the other of the two authors, check out A Practical Guide to Evil.
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@Gąska said in What kind of Knight are you?:
Speak again the ancient oaths: Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination.
You are an Elsecaller which gives you access to the Surges of Transformation and Transportation. Transformation allows you to soulcast objects from one material into another. Transportation allows you to travel between the Cognitive and Physical realms.
Thoughtful, careful, and cautious, the Elsecallers are generally regarded as the wisest of the Radiants. They seek self-improvement and personal betterment in their lives but aren't limited to one specific theme or set of ideals. This makes them one of the most open and welcoming of orders, though they do tend to attract those who are less flamboyant. They have their share of scholars, and often a large number of theologians, but also attract those who are interested in leadership. They are good at encouraging others, but some are known to put their sights upon the things they want and then seize them. In the Knights Radiant, they tend to be among the best tacticians, and are logistical geniuses, aided in part by their abilities to create food and water for armies, but also their ability to move in and out of Shadesmar.
Hey, me too! We're the same you and I!
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@Parody said in What kind of Knight are you?:
I was also an Edgedancer. I don't know anything about this series, so...
Like I told @Captain above, you need to read it. The Cosmere is awesome, and The Stormlight Archive is the crown jewel of the Cosmere.
The stories are all subtly interconnected. Sometimes not-so-subtly, even, particularly in Stormlight; starting from the second book, there are a few scenes that only really make sense if you've read Warbreaker, and one that seems really weird by itself -- and confuses the viewpoint character who sees it -- but suddenly makes way more sense if you've read Mistborn, because it's a shared universe and some things are crossing over.
As far as I'm aware, this is something that's never been done before. Sanderson mentioned how he's seen some writers, such as Isaac Asimov and Stephen King, go back and retroactively tie a lot of their earlier writings together into a shared universe, but because it was never planned that way from the start, you can "see the seams" as it were. He wanted to build something like that that was set up that way from the beginning, where each world has its own standalone stories, but with a larger-scope "hidden epic" playing out behind the scenes.
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@pie_flavor said in What kind of Knight are you?:
@Mason_Wheeler You convinced me to read Brandon Sanderson and man, have I not regretted it. He's become one of my favorite authors basically instantly.
...huh. So that's two writers I got you into, then.
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@Mason_Wheeler got any more?
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@pie_flavor sounds like you'd enjoy Terry Pratchett if you haven't already read his work. Not so much in terms of different perspectives but he had a real eye for human nature and used it to create complex, well rounded characters with genuine flaws
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@Jaloopa read 'em all already.
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@pie_flavor said in What kind of Knight are you?:
read 'em all already.
The sad part is that it is truly possible to say that. He will be missed.
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You are an Elsecaller which gives you access to the Surges of Transformation and Transportation. Transformation allows you to soulcast objects from one material into another. Transportation allows you to travel between the Cognitive and Physical realms.
@Gąska said in What kind of Knight are you?:
You are an Elsecaller which gives you access to the Surges of Transformation and Transportation. Transformation allows you to soulcast objects from one material into another. Transportation allows you to travel between the Cognitive and Physical realms.
Somehow not surprised.
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@GOG granted, I was only 51% Elsecaller.
Guard dog or alley cat? I went 100% guard dog.
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@Gąska Alley cat; something like 80%, I guess.
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@pie_flavor If you enjoy Sanderson's style, check out The Runelords, a tragically underrated series by David Farland, AKA Dave Wolverton, the guy who taught the writing class Brandon Sanderson is teaching now, back when he was in that class.
A couple years ago I was at Salt Lake Comic-Con, attending a panel with Brandon on it. Someone asked him what his favorite magic system created by someone else was, and he said it was definitely the system from The Runelords. So if you enjoy the way he does magic, that's a pretty high endorsement!
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@Mason_Wheeler said in What kind of Knight are you?:
@Parody said in What kind of Knight are you?:
I was also an Edgedancer. I don't know anything about this series, so...
Like I told @Captain above, you need to read it. The Cosmere is awesome, and The Stormlight Archive is the crown jewel of the Cosmere.
We'll see. I've had a hard time enjoying books that are difficult to hold open as paperbacks (== too long) or jump between too many character groups/viewpoints (== too hard to remember what's happening). The Way Of Kings has more pages than Cryptonomicon (which is extremely difficult to hold in paperback form) and (skimming the first few chapters) goes through five different viewpoints before going back to any of them. :/
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@Parody there are three main viewpoint characters, plus some who are the focus for a handful of chapters and interludes with characters who otherwise don't show up in the book. If you don't like the whole multiple viewpoints thing then way of kings is probably not for you, especially since one character's arc is almost completely separate from the rest, only joining up in the last few chapters.
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So it turns out I'm also a Windrunner (cool!) - but boy-oh-boy, that copy protection code on his site is aggressive.
All code snippets from the site
First, it blocks all ordinary means of opening the developer tools (in addition to blocking right-click):
document.addEventListener("contextmenu", function(e) { e.preventDefault(); }, false); document.addEventListener("keydown", function(e) { // "I" key if (e.ctrlKey && e.shiftKey && e.keyCode == 73) { disabledEvent(e); } // "J" key if (e.ctrlKey && e.shiftKey && e.keyCode == 74) { disabledEvent(e); } // "S" key + macOS if (e.keyCode == 83 && (navigator.platform.match("Mac") ? e.metaKey : e.ctrlKey)) { disabledEvent(e); } // "U" key if (e.ctrlKey && e.keyCode == 85) { disabledEvent(e); } // "F12" key if (event.keyCode == 123) { disabledEvent(e); } }, false); function disabledEvent(e) { if (e.stopPropagation) { e.stopPropagation(); } else if (window.event) { window.event.cancelBubble = true; } e.preventDefault(); return false; }Then, if you choose to go in with JS disabled it boots you immediately to the 404 page (so you have to ignore this
noscriptblock if you want to view his website with a non-JS-enabled browser):<noscript> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=/404"> </noscript>Then comes the clever-but-obnoxious part. If you come in with the browser tools open in a separate window it still detects that you've got it open with this one nifty trick
:var SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleDetectedSpeedChange = false; var SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleDetectedResize = false; var SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleInFirstLoad = false; // Create a new image var element = new Image; var SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoledevtoolsOpen = false; // Watch for anything that tries to access the `id` attribute element.__defineGetter__("id", function() { SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoledevtoolsOpen = true; SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleDetectedSpeedChange = true; // And blow them away if it is accessed SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleClearAll(); }); setInterval(function() { SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoledevtoolsOpen = false; // AND FINALLY, CHECK TO SEE IF THEY'RE WATCHING console.log(element); setTimeout(function(){ console.clear(); SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleClearAll(); }, 10); }, 100); // This, on the other hand is just evil // if I resize my *browser window* I will get a 404 ... that's frustrating window.onresize = function(){ SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleDetectedResize = true; SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleClearAll(); } // Hide how you did it from leet haxxoors function SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleClearAll(){ var shouldClear = false; if(SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleDetectedResize && SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleDetectedSpeedChange){ shouldClear = true; }else if(SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleInFirstLoad && SwiftNinjaProBlockConsoleDetectedSpeedChange){ shouldClear = true; } if(shouldClear){ console.log('The code for this website has self destructed in your browser for protection from hackers bacause you opened the console. Have a nice day :D'); console.log('Please close the console, and go back to the previous page.'); document.getElementsByTagName("html")[0].remove(); window.open('/404', '_self'); } }
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@svieira I was able to open it just fine, from the Chrome menu.
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@Mason_Wheeler You can, but if you try to use the element picker or expand the tree such that it tries to show a specially prepared poisoned image it implodes.
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@Parody said in What kind of Knight are you?:
We'll see. I've had a hard time enjoying books that are difficult to hold open as paperbacks
Kindle Paperwhite!
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Apparently I'm a Truthwatcher :
Speak again the ancient oaths: Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination.
You are a Truthwatcher which gives you access to the Surges of Progression and Regrowth and Illumination. Progression and Regrowth allows you to heal organisms and alter their growth. Illumination allows you to create illusions.
The Truthwatchers are seen as reserved and quiet, mostly known as the most scholarly order of Knights Radiant. They tend to attract scientists primarily, but also scholars or thinkers of all types. This extends to some who might not normally be known as scholarly but instead as someone reserved, often consumed by their own thoughts. In general, they tend to be reserved, particularly in person, though a small minority of Truthwatchers are greatly concerned with the actions of the powerful and might be likened to investigative reporters. These make their opinions known loudly and forcefully, particularly if they think someone in power is abusing that power or lying about fundamental truths. Note that, like all Knights Radiant, there is great disagreement within the order about what is the truth. However, Truthwatchers tend to approach these discussions with enthusiasm, even if they generally prefer to write their opinions rather than speak them. Among the Knights Radiant, the Truthwatchers tend to be those who hold the knowledge and secrets of Surgebinding, and are the ones to discover many of the newer advances in things like fabrial technology.
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@cheong said in What kind of Knight are you?:
Apparently I'm a Truthwatcher
Given your Lounge thread, this does not surprise me.
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@dcon said in What kind of Knight are you?:
@Parody said in What kind of Knight are you?:
We'll see. I've had a hard time enjoying books that are difficult to hold open as paperbacks
Kindle Paperwhite!
That's not the point; I just use it as an example of how absurdly long books have become. If your page count is upwards of the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy, you may want to break it up.
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@Parody agreed. This made Sanderson a great one to finish the Wheel of Time series after Jordan died. Because it takes someone who can write at length to do so while matching style.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in What kind of Knight are you?:
@Parody agreed. This made Sanderson a great one to finish the Wheel of Time series after Jordan died. Because it takes someone who can write at length to do so while matching style.
True; I imagine the fans would be "a little unhappy" if the final book(s) were too different from the originals. Makes you wonder if (God forbid!) the A Song of Ice and Fire publishers have him on speed dial.
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@Parody said in What kind of Knight are you?:
@Benjamin-Hall said in What kind of Knight are you?:
@Parody agreed. This made Sanderson a great one to finish the Wheel of Time series after Jordan died. Because it takes someone who can write at length to do so while matching style.
True; I imagine the fans would be "a little unhappy" if the final book(s) were too different from the originals. Makes you wonder if (God forbid!) the A Song of Ice and Fire publishers have him on speed dial.
I heard that originally, Sanderson was supposed to write ONE concluding book to the WoT. But it ended up taking so many pages to wrap up all the stories that it ended up getting split into 3. Each of which was ~800 pages or more.
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@Benjamin-Hall So, in other words, he was aping Jordan's style perfectly.
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@pie_flavor said in What kind of Knight are you?:
@Benjamin-Hall So, in other words, he was aping Jordan's style perfectly.
To be honest, I mostly enjoyed Jordan, despite the long-windedness and repeated tics. And wandering plot lines. He had a lot of grand-fantasy-epic stuff, mixed in with a lot too much STUFF in general. Which is why Sanderson was perfect to finish it up--that's also his wheelhouse and style. Except not just grand-fantasy-epic.
Sanderson...I'll have to break with the group-think here. He's good, but he's got a bit of the Stephen King "no editor allowed" syndrome. Just like the earlier WoT, there's lots of good stuff in there, but you have to wade through too much too much to get there. Part of it is that he just comes across (to me) as being way too convinced of his own greatness as a writer and (especially) as a world-builder. But I'm very firmly on the other side of the "hard vs soft" divide. It's great to have ideas and rules, but it runs the risk of making the story about those rules. Which turns into magic-system-porn (just like a lot of "hard" sci-fi turns into technology/physics porn and "look how clever I am").
Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed certain of his books. The shorter, more stand-alone ones. Warbreaker. Elantris. The short length and one-and-done nature made him get to the point much faster. The Stormlight ones (and to be honest, the Mistborn ones)...not so much. Too sprawling and hard to keep track of (or care about any of the characters) for way too long before anything really gets moving in a sensible fashion. And the twists (most of which are super spoilery, so I won't) just left me going...ok? And?
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@Benjamin-Hall said in What kind of Knight are you?:
Sanderson...I'll have to break with the group-think here. He's good, but he's got a bit of the Stephen King "no editor allowed" syndrome.
That's a bit of an odd thing to say, given how much of his writing process is taken up by multiple editing and revision passes. He always credits his editor with helping greatly to improve and tighten up the finished product. Heck, if it wasn't for that, we'd probably already have Stormlight 4 by now!
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