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@blakeyrat said:
And if I recall, that keyboard only has the alternate numlock (and alt) lettering because it shipped on DOS-compatible Macs, like my old beloved Quadra 610 model. These had a 486 in addition to their own 68k CPU, and could be switched back and forth into DOS mode. Shipped with DOS 6.22. They even ran Win 95, IIRC, but it's been ages. I know you could run DOOM on it, because I did it.
I had a Performa 630 - which was a Quadra 630 in a different box. Unfortunately, I didn't have the DOS compatability board. Anyway, I just did a dive into my old hardware pile, and the Extended II keyboard is marked up in the same way (of course, it also shipped in the cross-compatability era). The AppleDesign keyboard kept shipping even after the DOS boards went the way of the ghost - it was standard with every PowerMac up until USB happened - and the USB keyboards preserved the DOS markings.Anyway, point is that key was only ever Clear on Macs.
The basic Keyboard II was as you describe, as was the earlier Apple Keyboard - but their shared layout was quite lacking in every single other aspect.
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Yikes, that arrow key ordering makes me cringe...
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@steenbergh said:
You're lucky he didn't get a dialog telling him to 'Press any key to continue'.
"Yeah hello, this machine tells me to press the Any-key, but I can't seem to find it..."
Hit any key to continue, or any other key to exit.
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@Daniel Beardsmore said:
HIT ANY KEY TO RETRY THE MISSION
OR 'ESC' TO RETURN TO THE MAIN MENUThe programmers had an Any key, but couldn't find the Any Other key. Keyboards back in the day were pretty messed up.
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Traffic Department 2192!
I recently managed to track down the ever-elusive non-shareware episodes of that.
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I have a Microsoft 4K Natural (which you'll have to rip from my cold dead, non-carpal hands) It's almost perfect. I've lugged my current one across three jobs, and I have two more in boxes.
The other Microsoft ergo, the Pro keyboard had the weird 2 across, 3 down Insert/Delete/etc. layout, which I couldn't stand.
The 4K only loses marks becauses it's not wireless, which is not really a valid complaint, and because of the stupid zoom rocker in the middle. Yes, it can be remapped as a scroll, which is infinitely more useful. Why it defaulted to zoom is beyond me.
Everything else is perfect, though. Every button can be remapped, including separate functions for seemingly similar buttons. Back silver arrow for the web browser, Next Track in the media player for the Forward button. Search is lock workstation, etc.
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@Nexzus said:
I have a Microsoft 4K Natural (which you'll have to rip from my cold dead, non-carpal hands) It's almost perfect. I've lugged my current one across three jobs, and I have two more in boxes.
You can't be staying in jobs for very long if you've got a rubberdome keyboard to last that long ;-)
I don't need no fancy schmancy layout anyway -- that's what AutoHotkey is there for.
What grates at me though is Microsoft's inability to do mice right. I'm using IntelliMouse Optical 1.1 mice at the moment (since they have the best placement of buttons 4 and 5) and they regularly issue scroll up when I switch window (two different PCs). My old classic IntelliMouse (PS/2 with ball) also had weird problems with wheel scrolling. The IMO driver has a bug where a middle click straight after a wheel notch is dropped, which is a deal breaker (it's a common sequence I issue to Firefox's tab bar) and stops me from using the accelerated wheel scroll facility.
Never seen any wheel problems with Dell mice -- it something fundamentally wrong with MS mice, and it's their frigging operating system! Also, the tracking speed of the IMO is woefully slow.
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@Nexzus said:
Search is lock workstation, etc.
Is it that hard to press Windows+L ?Last time I bought a keyboard it took me almost a day of travelling around stores trying to find the most normal keyboard without all the useless extra keys that I'll never use. I'll admit keys such as Vol mute, Vol - and Vol+ are useful, but the rest (such as buttons labelled "Shopping", "Internet", "e-Mail", "Zoom") are completely useless and just annoy me. I was suprised by the number of keyboards which reduce the sizes of keys like "Space", "Shift", "Ctrl", "Backspace", etc (useful keys) to make more room for useless ones, and the keyboards which have a "Fn-lock" key because by default they remap F2 - F12 to "Play", "Pause", "Next Track", "Previous track" etc (someone suprisingly decided to leave F1 as "Help").
I now use a Microsoft keyboard, but about one in every 10 restarts it crashes and has to be rebooted (remove and reconnect USB plug). To be honest however, I expected nothing less from Microsoft.
At work I use a 10 year old Cherry keyboard, and its still going strong :)
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@Xyro said:
@Daniel Beardsmore said:
HIT ANY KEY TO RETRY THE MISSION
OR 'ESC' TO RETURN TO THE MAIN MENUThe programmers had an Any key, but couldn't find the Any Other key. Keyboards back in the day were pretty messed up.
Today also, I have three ANY keys on my keyboard at home!
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@Nexzus said:
I have a Microsoft 4K Natura
God I hate fauxgernomic keyboards. Who says only one hand can ever touch a given key? Depending on the word being typed, sometimes the left hand hits a right-hand key, or vice versa - for example, 't' is normally a left-hand letter, but if I type assert, I hit the 't' with my right hand. And don't even think about trying to type one-handed.
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@Daniel Beardsmore said:
What grates at me though is Microsoft's inability to do mice right.
I use bog-standard "Microsoft Wheel Mouse Opticals" whenever I possibly can. Like this one. My current one is so old I no longer have records of its purchase (which puts it sometime around a decade) and has been used so heavily it literally has HOLES worn in the bottom of it. Its only problem is that occasionally after you stop scrolling down, it will scroll up one notch. No idea why, but it'srare enough that I don't care.
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@Weng said:
I use bog-standard "Microsoft Wheel Mouse Opticals" whenever I possibly can. Like this one.
Hey, those are the standard issue mice at work! I hate them as they have no side buttons. I need side buttons for browsing and reconfiguring when in other applications (zoom in/out when doing cad work and previous/next cursor location when hacking code).
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> Hit any key to continue, or any other key to exit.
That is one of my pet peeves. Is English comprehension really that hard?
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@havokk said:
> Hit any key to continue, or any other key to exit.
That is one of my pet peeves. Is English comprehension really that hard?
I never even touched your sister!
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@blakeyrat said:
@havokk said:
> Hit any key to continue, or any other key to exit.
That is one of my pet peeves. Is English comprehension really that hard?
I never even touched your sister!
I did.
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@havokk said:
When you are dealing with muscle memory situations, there have to be very compelling reasons for change.
Thought experience - consider if a car manufacturer changed the indicator so that moving the stalk up indicated to the right instead of to the left.
As for the Lenovo keyboards, I also believe the person who thought the Fn key should be bottom left should be severly beaten with old SCSI cables. Apart from that issue I have no problems with Lenovo laptop keyboards. As for this freaking HP EliteBook, that's another story...
In the US of A, where the "stalk" is generally on the left side of the steering column, moving it up DOES indicate that you're turning right and not left. Did you get this backwards, or is the thing on the other side in some countries?
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@DWalker59 said:
As you may possibly be aware, in some countries one drives on the other, or "left", side of the road. In such countries the driver's seat is normally on the right side of the car, and the "stalk" is indeed on the right side of the steering column and is moved in an upwards direction to indicate turning left and in a downwards direction to indicate turning right.@havokk said:
Thought experience - consider if a car manufacturer changed the indicator so that moving the stalk up indicated to the right instead of to the left.
In the US of A, where the "stalk" is generally on the left side of the steering column, moving it up DOES indicate that you're turning right and not left. Did you get this backwards, or is the thing on the other side in some countries?
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@Scarlet Manuka said:
As you may possibly be aware, in some countries one drives on the other, or "left", side of the road. In such countries the driver's seat is normally on the right side of the car, and the "stalk" is indeed on the right side of the steering column and is moved in an upwards direction to indicate turning left and in a downwards direction to indicate turning right.
Both orientations come down to clockwise and anticlockwise.
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@Scarlet Manuka said:
@DWalker59 said:
As you may possibly be aware, in some countries one drives on the other, or "left", side of the road. In such countries the driver's seat is normally on the right side of the car, and the "stalk" is indeed on the right side of the steering column and is moved in an upwards direction to indicate turning left and in a downwards direction to indicate turning right.@havokk said:
Thought experience - consider if a car manufacturer changed the indicator so that moving the stalk up indicated to the right instead of to the left.
In the US of A, where the "stalk" is generally on the left side of the steering column, moving it up DOES indicate that you're turning right and not left. Did you get this backwards, or is the thing on the other side in some countries?
In drive-on-the-left countries, do you press the brake and accelerator with your left foot and the clutch (if applicable) with your right?
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@Someone You Know said:
In drive-on-the-left countries, do you press the brake and accelerator with your left foot and the clutch (if applicable) with your right?
No. That bit would appear to be the same.
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@PJH said:
@Someone You Know said:
In drive-on-the-left countries, do you press the brake and accelerator with your left foot and the clutch (if applicable) with your right?
No. That bit would appear to be the same.How about plumbing and jar lids? "Righty-tighty, lefty-loosey" for you lot as well? And the hot-water handle is on the left?
