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@RHuckster said:
I'd think most videographers would agree that you want to press record a second or two before you really want to start recording, and then trim those parts out before production.
Oh, no question. However, that's not how most amateurs use it. They won't edit much, so less jiggle is better.
Point is case: I have something similar to this:
So where do you put the record button? Exactly, just above your thumb. Try pressing that without jiggling the camera all over the place. Obviously I'm an amateur for not finding this out before buying, but it irks me.
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Nobody uses more Remote than Swampies
The start and finish of each video clip is extremely important "because" video sites play the videos and when finished; either the First or Last frames remain up on the screen. Fuzzy movement in these frames is crap.
Example:
We were out and about looking at some property. The primary video responsibility was to capture the Phone# and Name on the 'for sale' signs and the Camcorder has a GPS option so we could look the over-view up on google maps later. Before I started recording; I zoomed way out into some beautiful clouds at sunrise and turned recording on. (using the REMOTE) after a couple seconds I reduced the zoom to ZERO and pan the general area slowly. Then zoomed in on the Sign details and hit STOP on the RC.So when possible; try to frame something nice at the beginning and end of each video. Without a RC you would have to EDIT Out the blurry beginning and end segments on almost every video.
For those videos where you don't have a RC. Use SSDS to start play 1/5 second in and finish 1/5 before the end. We need Remotes and we need them cheap.
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Give Us our Remotes damn-it
@b-redeker said:
@RHuckster said:
I'd think most videographers would agree that you want to press record a second or two before you really want to start recording, and then trim those parts out before production.
Oh, no question. However, that's not how most amateurs use it. They won't edit much, so less jiggle is better.
Point is case: I have something similar to this:
So where do you put the record button? Exactly, just above your thumb. Try pressing that without jiggling the camera all over the place. Obviously I'm an amateur for not finding this out before buying, but it irks me.
Yup you would have been much happier if the manufacturer just happened to include a remote control. Too bad.
I seldom hold my camcorder like that. Except when I have the camcorder well over my head. Say I left my tripod at home.
Being that I don't use the "hand strap" I have added a wrist strap to the camcorder. Just so I don't have to worry about dropping the camcorder. Say I'm climbing trees.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I seldom hold my camcorder like that.
I am probably going to regret asking this, but how exactly do you hold your camera then?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
So when possible; try to frame something nice at the beginning and end of each video. Without a RC you would have to EDIT Out the blurry beginning and end segments on almost every video.
Umm... yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying: if you want good beginning/end frames, you almost always need to edit out the second or two in the beginning and end when you're fumbling for the record button.
I know I've long since given up on getting a clear response from you on most questions I ask, but I'm still going to ask: What makes you so scared of editing out the first and last second of any video? Is it laziness? Fear of losing valuable alien data? Hatred toward any sort of semblence of professionalism?
Btw: I've seen your tripod videos where you're getting a view from well above your head. While they might give you a nice birds eye view of everything, it's still very jittery regardless of whether the record button is on a remote, on the camera, or on Mars.
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Wake Up Camcorder Manufacturers - We have a problem here
@RHuckster said:
Umm... yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying: if you want good beginning/end frames, you almost always need to edit out the second or two in the beginning and end when you're fumbling for the record button.
I know I've long since given up on getting a clear response from you on most questions I ask, but I'm still going to ask: What makes you so scared of editing out the first and last second of any video? Is it laziness? Fear of losing valuable alien data? Hatred toward any sort of semblence of professionalism?
Nope. Just looking for a better and simpler way. How come I always have to come up with the BRIGHT ideas. Those camcorder manufacturers should start recording 1/3 second after you hit the 'record button' and throw anway the last 1/3 second before you hit the 'stop button'. Problem solved. No editing or remote required...How great is that....
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Ban the Strap - for camcorders it is next to useless
@b-redeker said:
A number of different ways.I am probably going to regret asking this, but how exactly do you hold your camera then?
When I shot the Canadian Native FastBall championships. I held it like a Colt 45. My right index finger pointed at the pitcher along the side of the camcorder. As soon as the pitch was released. I'd quickly point at the batter. Holding it the way shown wouldn't work very well.
When I shot most of the trapline video. I held it like a flashlight. About waist high. Sometimes I would accidently hit the zoom button with my thumb and cause a video clip to be ruined. Come on camcorder manufacturers. Make a lock out or cover for the "ZOOM button" REAL videographers like me and my Swampies could use it.
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Come on manufacturers come up with a better hand strap or get rid of it completely. It is of no or little value. Ban the strap
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Holding it the way shown wouldn't work very well.
Why not?
@SpectateSwamp said:
REAL videographers like me
* cough * spurt *
[goes off to get a towel to wipe the coffee off his monitor]
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Those camcorder manufacturers should start recording 1/3 second after you hit the 'record button' and throw anway the last 1/3 second before you hit the 'stop button'. Problem solved. No editing or remote required...How great is that....
I had an old video cassette tape camcorder that did just that, and it was very annoying. Actually, I think it was more like a full second before you were safe to record. Turn the camera on, awkwardly wait a pause, then start talking, then wait a pause and smile dead into the camera and then flip it off, and hope it didn't come out too stupidly. It was impossible to time quick takes correctly. Cassette tapes are virtually uneditable without expensive equipment (at least of that era), and the pause before starting and stopping often ruined some otherwise cool shots.No, it's much better to just record everything you want and edit out the unwanted parts later. You get a much better quality result, and you don't have to worry about stupid things like pauses before shooting, or jiggling from the start button, or 2 minutes of boring clouds, or a dirty word directed at you a second before you stop recording, etc.
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In Camera Editing or nothing
@Xyro said:
No, it's much better to just record everything you want and edit out the unwanted parts later. You get a much better quality result, and you don't have to worry about stupid things like pauses before shooting, or jiggling from the start button, or 2 minutes of boring clouds, or a dirty word directed at you a second before you stop recording, etc.
We need the No-Jiggles option for all those folks who are not interested in editing. Editing is like fishing and cleaning'em. Some enjoy both some not. For sure I would be proven right once again if Manufacturers added this option to the camcorder menu. You can't be against "Choice" can you XyroSwamp.
For me I would set it for 1/4 sec delay at the start and when at parties the end would be 3 seconds before I stop recording. That is how in camera editing should be done. The only form of Editing that isn't suspect.
I'm not in love with my RC and wouldn't need it; if the NJ option existed. But it's Far worse having to edit out the beginning and end of every video. (there is nothing there but blurry movement people) I probably noticed these nasties more than most because Swamp Video allows me to immediately play my video captures. Seeing a 'Jiggly stop' then immediately a 'Jiggly start' gets annoying real fast. Even for a calm ole sole like myself.
At the "Digital Video ShowDown" No Manufacturer will be 'Swamp Certified' unless they sign off on the "NJ" and other features the Swampies demand.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
3 seconds before I stop recording. That is how in camera editing should be done. The only form of Editing that isn't suspect.
This is probably also how we should read your posts? Disregard the first and the last 3 sentences?
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@b-redeker said:
This is probably also how we should read your posts? Disregard the first and the last 3 sentences?
Only for posts with six or fewer sentences.
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Adobe called out - Chicken livered no good Video editing freaks
@Tiggrrr42 said:
If we could take back our words. it would be a blessing sometimes.@b-redeker said:
This is probably also how we should read your posts? Disregard the first and the last 3 sentences?
Only for posts with six or fewer sentences.
I called out Adobe to the Digital Video ShowDown:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/772220?tstart=0
Do you think they will come. Too bad I have been banned at most video forums. Having them all there to attack would be BEST.
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[quote user="SpectateSwamp@<FONT color=#88aa88>http://forums.adobe.com/thread/772220?tstart=0</FONT>"]
Obviously you have more professional experience than me. What you say makes a lot of sence.[/quote]
I'm impressed. Well done!!
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Chicken shit mods called out
@b-redeker said:
[quote user="SpectateSwamp@<FONT color=#88aa88>http://forums.adobe.com/thread/772220?tstart=0</FONT>"]
Obviously you have more professional experience than me. What you say makes a lot of sence.
I'm impressed. Well done!!
[/quote]Can't you tell. I was just being nice. There has been no responses since they were called out.
The Big Big gunners won't show up. These Mods are power hungry psychos and need the ability to call the shots. To Ban or not to Ban. That way when they are losing an argument they can always look soooo Smart. But they are not. Dumb ass mods (at other forums)
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Can't you tell. I was just being nice. There has been no responses since they were called out.
...called out for what? This is one of the frist times EVER someone actually agreed with you: remote controls and tripods make for better recordings which do not jiggle as much!
Unless you're talking about your typical incoherent rant in the very last post, where you're saying anyone who edits their videos to make them better quality are perfect-perfects who are misinforming new video enthusiasts. People seriously won't show up because you are so far out of their realm there's really no point in arguing with you. It's kind of like arguing with a ranting lunatic on a subway platform about how a protein in our eye is interfering with the divine rays of light and preventing us from seeing God. (true story) You just do what everyone else does: smile, nod, and find the next subway, not caring if it's local or express.
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10,000 unedited videos and counting - Swamp video is freedom
@RHuckster said:
I'm that bad am I. Damn@SpectateSwamp said:
Can't you tell. I was just being nice. There has been no responses since they were called out.
...called out for what? This is one of the frist times EVER someone actually agreed with you: remote controls and tripods make for better recordings which do not jiggle as much!
Unless you're talking about your typical incoherent rant in the very last post, where you're saying anyone who edits their videos to make them better quality are perfect-perfects who are misinforming new video enthusiasts. People seriously won't show up because you are so far out of their realm there's really no point in arguing with you. It's kind of like arguing with a ranting lunatic on a subway platform about how a protein in our eye is interfering with the divine rays of light and preventing us from seeing God. (true story) You just do what everyone else does: smile, nod, and find the next subway, not caring if it's local or express.
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A Guy Walks Into a Bar
@SpectateSwamp said:
Too bad I have been banned at most video forums.
Can't take a hint, eh?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
@RHuckster said:
a ranting lunatic
I'm that bad am I. DamnThe good news is that you just showed a bit of sanity.
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YellowHead Call Outs - who should be NEXT
Feeling neglected. I'm sorry. There is still a lot of Knowledge to share. Especially Video Knowledge. Everyone seems to resist. The video freaks hate the idea; that some knowbody with absolutly no editing skills could possibly do video. The techies resist because there is nothing technical. Therefore no mystery to Lord over the newby videographers. Video is Power. Because un-edited video is pure pure incontestable Knowledge. Writings and pictures don't tell a fraction of the story. Not even an iota. Maybe less.
Anyway the "Digital Video ShowDown" is getting funny. Do come over and add your well informed voices. I know you can. There were 1200+ views of the thread a couple days ago. They award Swampie badges to those who request them.... Finally Swampies in droves.
Still no competition for the ShowDown yet. I'm going to paint my Head YELLOW and call them out on video..
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Everyone seems to resist.
Well, that's because your methods are very inefficient. I'm all for easy video editing, but not the way you do it.
The right way is:
1. shoot a lot of material
2. cut and edit it in a program on your computer.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
Still no competition for the ShowDown yet. I'm going to paint my Head YELLOW and call them out on video..
True, it had worked the first time after all. Oh wait, it didn't...
Still, to say it with the words of a disgusting, unnatural and perverted furry comic to anger the blakey:
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What's the figger saying?
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Nothing that contributes much to the joke. But if you're dying to know, see here.
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@b-redeker said:
@SpectateSwamp said:
@RHuckster said:
a ranting lunatic
I'm that bad am I. DamnThe good news is that you just showed a bit of sanity.
How is that good news?
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Okay, Swampie, let me throw this idea on the table: What if folks shot a lot of video, then edited the video, but kept the original footage? They could have a perfect perfect edited video with no boring parts to share with their friends, and a pure pure video to submit to you for inspect of alien artifacts. Would that be suitable for you?
I ask because your usage of SSRR is basically that, except that it requires of the video recipient your SSRR software and the manually time tracked control settings text file, as well as nontrivial usage of SSRR. That is, you are using SSRR (in some degree) to edit the video playback, but not edit the original video file, yes? Because you tell SSRR to play seconds W through X and Y through Z of 2011-01-07_14:35:52.078_49°30.59',-116°69.23'_SRDSSOIA_ERLLSAS_GF.mpeg, and that is edited playback. Furthermore, by keeping the original file intact, you alleviate any anxiety of missed opportunities for alien hunting. You also do screen reshoots, which just merges the clips back together in the most inefficient method I can fathom. Basically, you're editing the video in the most roundabout way possible.
Using a real editor and real editing techniques and keeping the original solves your problems without the need for questionable software that no one other than you can use.
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Explain video editing if you will
@Xyro said:
Okay, Swampie, let me throw this idea on the table: What if folks shot a lot of video, then edited the video, but kept the original footage? They could have a perfect perfect edited video with no boring parts to share with their friends, and a pure pure video to submit to you for inspect of alien artifacts. Would that be suitable for you?
NOW explain how you would do the same using your editing techniques. It would take you 30 pages and there would be things left out... With Swamp video 180+ videos are up and playing Random by Group in 10 minutes. When it is that quick to do. You know SSDS has kept it simple. Very simple...I ask because your usage of SSRR is basically that, except that it requires of the video recipient your SSRR software and the manually time tracked control settings text file, as well as nontrivial usage of SSRR. That is, you are using SSRR (in some degree) to edit the video playback, but not edit the original video file, yes? Because you tell SSRR to play seconds W through X and Y through Z of 2011-01-07_14:35:52.078_49°30.59',-116°69.23'_SRDSSOIA_ERLLSAS_GF.mpeg, and that is edited playback. Furthermore, by keeping the original file intact, you alleviate any anxiety of missed opportunities for alien hunting. You also do screen reshoots, which just merges the clips back together in the most inefficient method I can fathom. Basically, you're editing the video in the most roundabout way possible.
Using a real editor and real editing techniques and keeping the original solves your problems without the need for questionable software that no one other than you can use.
The big big problem with editing is you do lose resolution when you re-render. Example one of my few few attempts at editing way back. I had a FTS video that had the Digital Zoom slightly engaged.. Boo Digital Zoom(never used again). Late in the video a bright object came into Blurry view but closer.. It had a vapor trail that disappeared in the edited version. It was very faint but was gone in the Edited Rendition...
So Don't edit your goodies away.
I'll post that video at archive.org just so you can see again that I'm not fibbing.
it is demo71_pict8 (way back in the early days of hunting for FTS objects)
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Few video editors needed - very few
Another FTS object
Right at the very end. Edit that if you please. Zoom in a few times... I'm not 100% against editing. I just don't do it.
Geez I don't believe the download counts at archive.org. I have only had it there 15 minutes and there have been 115 downloads. The swampies are out there or maybe it is the FBI...
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Tonight it's colder than outside
@SpectateSwamp said:
It would take you 30 pages [of manual to read(?)] and there would be things left out
The problem is that it would be 100+ pages for SSDS - if there WERE a manual. If you WROTE the software, you're usually not the best person to judge how easy someone else could learn it. This means you're VERY BAD at judging that.
... With Swamp video 180+ videos are up and playing Random by Group in 10 minutes. When it is that quick to do. You know SSDS has kept it simple. Very simple...
@SpectateSwamp said:
The big big problem with editing is you do lose resolution when you re-render.
I've never heard of that. Why is that?
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Originals are best - SSDS is original
@PSWorx said:
I've never heard of that. Why is that?
I don't have a clue. I was most likely using ulead software to clip just the end of the video. Back then I was more concerned about uploading big files to my favorite video sites. I examined the last few seconds that were in the new mini file and I couldn't see the faint vapour trail. For this kind of video you don't want to lose anything. Originals are always best. Maybe just maybe it was the aliens looking over my shoulder that messed up the details???
But zooming in a bit sure doesn't hurt. Any swampies looking at that part.
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@SpectateSwamp said:
I don't have a clue. I was most likely using ulead
Ulead! There's the problem!
But seriously Swampy, are you really not aware that "I can't use proper video editing software, so everyone should use SSDS" is pretty stupid? Also: Your point that video editing reduces video quality, while it might be true to some extent, does not validate your argument that reshoots are better, because they certainly reduce video quality as well.
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@derula said:
"I can't X, so everyone should Y" is pretty stupid?
If he would care, he would make SSDS more easily available.
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@b-redeker said:
If he would care, he would make SSDS more easily available.
I think availabillity is the least problem.
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@PSWorx said:
@b-redeker said:
If he would care, he would make SSDS more easily available.
I think availabillity is the least problem.
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@derula said:
@PSWorx said:
@b-redeker said:
If he would care, he would make SSDS more easily available.
I think availabillity is the least problem.In fact, problems are the most available.
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@b-redeker said:
@derula said:
@PSWorx said:
In fact, problems are the most available.@b-redeker said:
If he would care, he would make SSDS more easily available.
I think availabillity is the least problem.
Are you implying that SSRR is the Soviet Russia of computer programs?
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What VideoSwampies really really want
CamCorder Manufacturers *** Here is what the VideoSwampies Really Really want...
* Remote Control (not so important if YOU add the 'NJ' No Jijjles option)
Be the first to add this feature and receive the 'Manufacturing Heroes of Digital Video' award at the showdown...* Mpeg format no other format can match the video player (Swamp Video) If that changes; then the importance of the video format would be reduced. The video formats that are most popular are usually a good choice. They can be more easily shared with friends and family. Any of the top 3 or 4 established formats (avi mov wmv mpg vob) should be OK but Mpeg is best right now...
* Each video clip MUST be a separate file. Otherwise you'd need to EDIT the video before sending it off to the WEB. Editing should be avoided at all cost.
* File naming format should be YYYYMMDDHHMMSS.mpg (all CC's should have this format) making it easy to sync video from 2 or more camcorders. Previously I had to rename all my video files. What a waste of effort.
* Ability to record with view screen closed (saves batteries) you can wrap your hands around it in cold conditions.
* Zoom anything 10 and better is fine. The most important zoom is manual zoom. Move in close and circle like a weasel.
* PC on screen format (wide screen or full screen). My new camcorder has a 1/2 inch black space at the top of my PC monitor. The old Hitachi didn't. Boo to that feature.
* Camcorder screen size means next to nothing to me. I NEVER review videos on the Camcorder. When in minutes I can be seeing them on My big computer monitor.
* Storage type on the Camcorder is of no major importance. I always download ASAP as long as there is room for 1 hr video and an extra Mini-dvd to switch out.
* USB device compatible. That is the only cord other than power I use with my camcorder.
* Smile detect and capture option. My camcorder has it and automatically stores them when videoing. Don't forget to take pictures..
* High speed video (another useless option) when you have the Slow-Motion capabilities in Swamp Video.
* Design. Camcorders are ALL designed poorly for shooting video. So this can't be weighted to heavily until Manufacturers wise up in this area.
-Start with a Flashlight or Squirt-Gun as a model; the current camcorders are examples of designing done STUPID..
-add a spotting tube that is attached to the top of the camcorder for sighting up objects quickly. About 4" long and 1/3" diameter
-Maybe that mount could be used to attach lighting...
-move the RC sensor to the bottom back of the camcorder. 100% of it's use comes from behind...
-A lock out on the zoom so it doesn't accidentally get hit.
-Get rid of Digital Zoom altogether (useless feature)
-Replace the hand-strap with a wrist-strap. (another useless feature) And it's location encourages videoing STUPID. What an awkward position.. To eliminate dropping the CC add the wrist strap yourself (I did).
-Ability to attach to a Spotting scope for digiscoping...
-With GPS everywhere. How about the option of placing a water-mark on the pic or end of the video showing the Lat-Long. For video this info is in a separate file and readable. For pics it's lost in the pic file somewhere and another (useless feature)Manufacturers if you don't emphasize these features the uneducated customers will most surely pick the wrong camcorder and be so disappointed they may never venture into Digital Video again. That's what you are currently responsible for. Disappointed videographers. On another forum a camcorder user lamented that he had no Remote Control.
Manufacturers list these important details right up front (Sales staff don't know every camcorder).
I bought 1 camcorder I thought was Mpeg and it was Vob. It was cheap and I gave it away.It's not a good idea to be on the leading edge with High Technology unless you are an expert of some kind. Leading edge is the bleeding edge. Who needs the hassles
I could go on and on about some of these points and will when challenged... If EVER.
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@derula said:
Are you implying that SSRR is the Soviet Russia of computer programs?
Given the incoherent rambling and ranting, I'd say he's probably the Venezuela of Computer Programs.
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@b-redeker said:
Given the incoherent rambling and ranting, I'd say he's probably the Venezuela of Computer Programs.
Not Norway?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
-Start with a Flashlight or Squirt-Gun as a model; the current camcorders are examples of designing done STUPID..
-add a spotting tube that is attached to the top of the camcorder for sighting up objects quickly. About 4" long and 1/3" diameter
Maybe it's just me, but making the camcorder look like a gun sounds like a bad idea.
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Bold text is mine.
@SpectateSwamp said:
CamCorder Manufacturers *** Here is what the VideoSwampies Really Really want...
* Remote Control (not so important if YOU add the 'NJ' No Jijjles option)
Be the first to add this feature and receive the 'Manufacturing Heroes of Digital Video' award at the showdown...
I'll give you this one. Remote Controls for video camcorders would be nice.* Mpeg format no other format can match the video player (Swamp Video) If that changes; then the importance of the video format would be reduced. The video formats that are most popular are usually a good choice. They can be more easily shared with friends and family. Any of the top 3 or 4 established formats (avi mov wmv mpg vob) should be OK but Mpeg is best right now...
I'd rather have a near-lossless or 'raw' video format. Compression is the Devil for raw footage -- leads to compression artifacts that can be mis-identified.* Each video clip MUST be a separate file. Otherwise you'd need to EDIT the video before sending it off to the WEB. Editing should be avoided at all cost.
I tend to agree. If I stop recording, the file should be closed. When I start recording again it should be a new file.* File naming format should be YYYYMMDDHHMMSS.mpg (all CC's should have this format) making it easy to sync video from 2 or more camcorders. Previously I had to rename all my video files. What a waste of effort.
MMM. Ok. I'll take that. Any standardized and easily parseable time date stamp. Could be in file meta-data for all I care.* Ability to record with view screen closed (saves batteries) you can wrap your hands around it in cold conditions.
Yes.* Zoom anything 10 and better is fine. The most important zoom is manual zoom. Move in close and circle like a weasel.
And no digital zoom at all. Optical Zoom or nothing. Digital zoom introduces artifacts.* PC on screen format (wide screen or full screen). My new camcorder has a 1/2 inch black space at the top of my PC monitor. The old Hitachi didn't. Boo to that feature.
Well, different people have different screen sizes. Should probably include a menu option for screen ratios and resolutions.* Camcorder screen size means next to nothing to me. I NEVER review videos on the Camcorder. When in minutes I can be seeing them on My big computer monitor.
Meh.* Storage type on the Camcorder is of no major importance. I always download ASAP as long as there is room for 1 hr video and an extra Mini-dvd to switch out.
Meh. In order to store raw footage give us as much flash memory on the thing as possible.* USB device compatible. That is the only cord other than power I use with my camcorder.
Probably should advance to USB 3.0 as soon as possible. If we start using lossless, high resolution video formats we're gonna need the extra transfer speed.* Smile detect and capture option. My camcorder has it and automatically stores them when videoing. Don't forget to take pictures..
Meh.* High speed video (another useless option) when you have the Slow-Motion capabilities in Swamp Video.
High Speed Video is essential for slow motion. Just slowing down a 60 FPS video to 30 FPS does not give you the ability to truly capture very fast movements. You can miss a lot this way.* Design. Camcorders are ALL designed poorly for shooting video. So this can't be weighted to heavily until Manufacturers wise up in this area.
-Start with a Flashlight or Squirt-Gun as a model; the current camcorders are examples of designing done STUPID..
Dont Care
-add a spotting tube that is attached to the top of the camcorder for sighting up objects quickly. About 4" long and 1/3" diameter
Dont Care
-Maybe that mount could be used to attach lighting...
Dont Care
-move the RC sensor to the bottom back of the camcorder. 100% of it's use comes from behind...
Wrong. TWO RC Sensors, one in front, one in back. Allows videographer to film himself easily in case needed to show scale/proportion, or to self film a documentary.nature show.
-A lock out on the zoom so it doesn't accidentally get hit.
Maybe, but must be simple and quick to unlock
-Get rid of Digital Zoom altogether (useless feature)
Agreed
-Replace the hand-strap with a wrist-strap. (another useless feature) And it's location encourages videoing STUPID. What an awkward position.. To eliminate dropping the CC add the wrist strap yourself (I did).
Should be an option. Different people film differently.
-Ability to attach to a Spotting scope for digiscoping...
Meh
-With GPS everywhere. How about the option of placing a water-mark on the pic or end of the video showing the Lat-Long. For video this info is in a separate file and readable. For pics it's lost in the pic file somewhere and another (useless feature)
The GPS information should be stored in the video file, frame by frame. Not as a watermark. Maybe in an overscan area?
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@SpectateSwamp said:
* Remote Control (not so important if YOU add the 'NJ' No Jijjles option)
Be the first to add this feature and receive the 'Manufacturing Heroes of Digital Video' award at the showdown...There are already camcorders that come with remote controls
@SpectateSwamp said:
* Each video clip MUST be a separate file. Otherwise you'd need to EDIT the video before sending it off to the WEB. Editing should be avoided at all cost.
As far as I've seen, all digital camcorders behave in this way. What bizarre camcorder do you have that appends everything to a single-- oh, that actually sounds like something SSRR would do.
@SpectateSwamp said:
* File naming format should be YYYYMMDDHHMMSS.mpg (all CC's should have this format) making it easy to sync video from 2 or more camcorders. Previously I had to rename all my video files. What a waste of effort.
I could actually understand that. Right now most videos are some useless filename anyway, like DHC_3928945.mpeg. Once again, though, in your SSDS, you can't rely on files being named as such. Some people rename their video files by subject matter, such as "trip_to_disney.mpeg" or "wedding_part_1.mpeg"
@SpectateSwamp said:
* Ability to record with view screen closed (saves batteries) you can wrap your hands around it in cold conditions.
My camcorder already has this functionality.
@SpectateSwamp said:
* Zoom anything 10 and better is fine. The most important zoom is manual zoom. Move in close and circle like a weasel.
If by manual zoom you mean... wait, no, I don't know what you mean. If you zoom into a golfer and circle like a weasel, you'll be sure to get hit, whether intentionally or not.
@SpectateSwamp said:
* PC on screen format (wide screen or full screen). My new camcorder has a 1/2 inch black space at the top of my PC monitor. The old Hitachi didn't. Boo to that feature.
Most modern digital camcorders give you an option to set the aspect ratio, usually a choice between standard and wide screen.
@SpectateSwamp said:
* Camcorder screen size means next to nothing to me. I NEVER review videos on the Camcorder. When in minutes I can be seeing them on My big computer monitor.
It's still good to be able to review videos for obvious errors like a finger in the lens or some such. This is especially important if you're on a trip or something where you don't have immediate access to a computer.
@SpectateSwamp said:
* Storage type on the Camcorder is of no major importance. I always download ASAP as long as there is room for 1 hr video and an extra Mini-dvd to switch out.
As flash memory becomes cheaper and cheaper to make, this will be moot real soon anyways.
@SpectateSwamp said:
* USB device compatible. That is the only cord other than power I use with my camcorder.
*sigh* once again, I have yet to find a modern digital camcorder that doesn't have a USB. Perhaps there's a few older models that have firewire, but that's it.
@SpectateSwamp said:
* Smile detect and capture option. My camcorder has it and automatically stores them when videoing. Don't forget to take pictures..
I'm sorry, smile detect? Are people so lazy they need their camera to tell them when their target is smiling? Really?!
@SpectateSwamp said:
* High speed video (another useless option) when you have the Slow-Motion capabilities in Swamp Video.
You don't even know what high speed video is, do you? High speed takes hundreds of frames a second so when you do go into slow-motion, it's completely smooth. You can code SSRR as good as you want, the slo-motion capabilities will only be as good as what's available in the source video.
@SpectateSwamp said:
-Start with a Flashlight or Squirt-Gun as a model; the current camcorders are examples of designing done STUPID..
So the viewfinder would be a scope, and the record button would be a trigger? Yeah, that makes sense. /sarcasm
@SpectateSwamp said:
-add a spotting tube that is attached to the top of the camcorder for sighting up objects quickly. About 4" long and 1/3" diameter
My mind automatically wanted me to respond in a certain way, but I didn't want to be confused with a 4th grader.
@SpectateSwamp said:
-Maybe that mount could be used to attach lighting...
Umm, yep. Most camcorders have a mount on them on which you can attach lighting, a better microphone, or other accessories.
@SpectateSwamp said:
-move the RC sensor to the bottom back of the camcorder. 100% of it's use comes from behind...
lol, so much smoke comes out of your behind, it deviates aircraft coming into Calgary.
@SpectateSwamp said:
-A lock out on the zoom so it doesn't accidentally get hit.
Just how the fuck do you hold your camcorder, that you accidentally zoom the video so often you think this is a necessary feature?
@SpectateSwamp said:
-Get rid of Digital Zoom altogether (useless feature)
This I actually agree with. I've baked a cake for the occasion.
@SpectateSwamp said:
-Replace the hand-strap with a wrist-strap. (another useless feature) And it's location encourages videoing STUPID. What an awkward position.. To eliminate dropping the CC add the wrist strap yourself (I did).
See, sometimes I do hold the camera in an interesting way, but do you know what I do? I hold it tight and simply ignore the wrist strap all together.
@SpectateSwamp said:
-With GPS everywhere. How about the option of placing a water-mark on the pic or end of the video showing the Lat-Long. For video this info is in a separate file and readable. For pics it's lost in the pic file somewhere and another (useless feature)
Whatever.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Manufacturers if you don't emphasize these features the uneducated customers will most surely pick the wrong camcorder and be so disappointed they may never venture into Digital Video again. That's what you are currently responsible for. Disappointed videographers. On another forum a camcorder user lamented that he had no Remote Control.
That's his fault for not purchasing a camcorder that includes a remote. There are camcorders that come with a remote, but most of them are pricier, just like any other feature-packed appliance.
@SpectateSwamp said:
Manufacturers list these important details right up front (Sales staff don't know every camcorder).
*sigh* They already DO this!
@SpectateSwamp said:
It's not a good idea to be on the leading edge with High Technology unless you are an expert of some kind. Leading edge is the bleeding edge. Who needs the hassles
Yeah, like my grandfather. He couldn't operate his digital thermostat which had three buttons. That's when I asked him to switch back to the round honeywells that used to be ubiquitous.
@SpectateSwamp said:
I could go on and on about some of these points and will when challenged... If EVER.
People have been challenging you on these points for years, dude. Somehow you don't realize this despite having been yapping on this thread for over a year now.
What you don't seem to realize is so many of the points you've made here are already featured on many camcorder models.
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Re: Show Off
Thanks for showing everyone exactly how lazy I am by by correctly interspersing your commenst in his quote RHuckster.
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I really don't have a clue why you guys go through his whole post point by point.
Pick one short sentence, argue that. It's the most his fuzzy logic can handle.
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@b-redeker said:
I really don't have a clue why you guys go through his whole post point by point.
Pick one short sentence, argue that. It's the most his fuzzy logic can handle.
Yes, if you just quote a single point of his and argue about that, he will quote this argumentation and reply to it, which he won't do if you argue a whole post. No, the post he will come up with to answer your reply to a single point won't have anything to do with your critique. So what's the point? I admit that MAYBE his fuzzy logic can parse and understand a single point reply, but by the time he manages to bring the cursor to the reply field, all that possible understanding will be gone anyway.
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Speaking of which, I have a feeling it'll be soon time for his reset timer to kick in and he'll start ranting about the best software on the planet as if we've never heard it before.
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Signs that this thread has damaged me
So yeah, I was reading this article http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20110111/twl-new-map-of-the-universe-unveiled-41f21e0.html. Put "SDSS" and outer space photography together and I was totally thinking of something else for a moment. Then I actually read the article instead of skimming it.
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I recently bought a book from the bargain bin at Borders that contained thousands of photos of the universe. It's truly amazing that despite our abilities to "look around us" we continue to discover objects in the universe we've historically likely stared at for millenia, not knowing what they really are. We'll probably never completely find everything. It's kind of like a Where's Waldo book: every time you look at a page you notice something you never did before.
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@RHuckster said:
I recently bought a book from the bargain bin at Borders that contained thousands of photos of the universe. It's truly amazing that despite our abilities to "look around us" we continue to discover objects in the universe we've historically likely stared at for millenia, not knowing what they really are. We'll probably never completely find everything. It's kind of like a Where's Waldo book: every time you look at a page you notice something you never did before.
Like when you look at flying tobacco leaves. You've seem them a thousand times, but just then you notice they fly way too speedy to be actual tobacco leaves and therefore must be aliens.
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Dammit, derula. I was trying to get this thread off into a tangent a little bit before our friend came back with more rambling. You've dragged it back down to its resting state in boondoggle land.
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