Killed by Google
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@boomzilla said in Killed by Google:
making and receiving calls
It's 2021; who still uses their phone for phone calls?
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@HardwareGeek You have to run zoom/teams/whatsapp/&c on something.
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@PleegWat said in Killed by Google:
@HardwareGeek You have to run zoom/teams/whatsapp/&c on something.
The fuck I would, that would break device segregation.
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Google Just Killed Its Banking Service Before It Even Launched
The search giant has abandoned a project that would integrate bank accounts with Google Pay.
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@Zecc I guess that's one that was killed when Legal saw it. Banking, especially of anything involving ordinary customers, is rather intensely regulated in a very large part of the world.
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@dkf How did they get this far then?
A reported 400,000 people were on Citigroupâs waiting list for Plex accounts.
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@Zecc said in Killed by Google:
How did they get this far then?
It really wouldn't be the first time that a product or service isn't run past Legal until rather later than it should have been. (Sometimes, with some companies, it doesn't cross Legal's desk until after the DA has started investigatingâŚ)
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@dkf said in Killed by Google:
@Zecc I guess that's one that was killed when Legal saw it. Banking, especially of anything involving ordinary customers, is rather intensely regulated in a very large part of the world.
They were pushing the banking part onto actual banks (and only in the US), so it shouldn't have been too big an issue. I'd expect Google Pay's role to be mostly the same as the apps issued by your bank.
Anyway, the whole idea is not very appealing to me. If it wasn't Google my recommendation would be to kill the new Google Pay and bring back the old one. That's not the Google Way⢠though, so I expect it'll be ignored for a while and then replaced again by a new new Google Pay built on RCS messages or something.
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@Parody said in Killed by Google:
a new new Google Pay built on RCS
RCS? Eww. How long before they pivot to base it on git?
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@dkf said in Killed by Google:
@Zecc I guess that's one that was killed when Legal saw it. Banking, especially of anything involving ordinary customers, is rather intensely regulated in a very large part of the world.
But but but... disruption!
Isn't that the point of the scheme? Take something regulated, do it via an app and pretend "regulations don't apply to me!
", profit!
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@topspin said in Killed by Google:
Isn't that the point of the scheme? Take something regulated, do it via an app and pretend "regulations don't apply to me! ", profit!
Makes me wonder about all the bank apps with stupid names plopping up. "Do your banking with this app!" But my bank already has an app. It's not something new and/or amazing. Except for looking like new and exciting ways to ruin your economy as they like pushing the loan side more than traditional banks. "Pay as much as you want, pause payments for up to 3 months!" or whatever one of them was doing.
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@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@topspin said in Killed by Google:
Isn't that the point of the scheme? Take something regulated, do it via an app and pretend "regulations don't apply to me! ", profit!
Makes me wonder about all the bank apps with stupid names plopping up. "Do your banking with this app!" But my bank already has an app. It's not something new and/or amazing. Except for looking like new and exciting ways to ruin your economy as they like pushing the loan side more than traditional banks. "Pay as much as you want, pause payments for up to 3 months!" or whatever one of them was doing.
I'd rather use a bank for my credit card but Revolut's vaults and single use credit cards are so handy. The idea of them being allowed to do loans scares the bejesus out of me though. Who would give them access to that kind of credit.
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@DogsB My old bank used to have an online purchase bank card, which you had to preapprove for every use. Then they decided to scrap it because "modern cards are so secure it's not needed".
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@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@DogsB My old bank used to have an online purchase bank card, which you had to preapprove for every use. Then they decided to scrap it because "modern cards are so secure it's not needed".
Gah! I wish I knew. My use case wasn't security though. It was to put a barrier between drunk me and buying random cheap chinese shit. Worked a treat. Then it became useful for signing up for netflix and cloud providers with a failsafe.
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@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@topspin said in Killed by Google:
Isn't that the point of the scheme? Take something regulated, do it via an app and pretend "regulations don't apply to me! ", profit!
Makes me wonder about all the bank apps with stupid names plopping up. "Do your banking with this app!" But my bank already has an app. It's not something new and/or amazing. Except for looking like new and exciting ways to ruin your economy as they like pushing the loan side more than traditional banks. "Pay as much as you want, pause payments for up to 3 months!" or whatever one of them was doing.
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
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@sloosecannon makes you wonder if IBM licenses COBOL compilers for Android.
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@topspin said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon makes you wonder if IBM licenses COBOL compilers for Android.
There is a .net one...
NetCOBOL for .NET - Visual Studio Marketplace
Extension for Visual Studio - NetCOBOL for .NET is a COBOL compiler created specifically for the .Net Framework and is the only one that supports the NeoKicks, NeoBatch and NeoData mainframe migration-with-modernization solutions.
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@dcon Add to that the Fujitsu one, which dates back to the "Visual Studio .net" days...
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@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@topspin said in Killed by Google:
Isn't that the point of the scheme? Take something regulated, do it via an app and pretend "regulations don't apply to me! ", profit!
Makes me wonder about all the bank apps with stupid names plopping up. "Do your banking with this app!" But my bank already has an app. It's not something new and/or amazing. Except for looking like new and exciting ways to ruin your economy as they like pushing the loan side more than traditional banks. "Pay as much as you want, pause payments for up to 3 months!" or whatever one of them was doing.
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
The app my bank provides is better than most shit coming out of silly con valley.
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@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
If you consider "hipster shitpile" to be better than a regular bank app, sure. And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
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@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
Banks have features that even most of their staff don't know.
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@dkf said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
Banks have features that
even mostnone of their staffdon'tknow.
for reality.
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@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
If you consider "hipster shitpile" to be better than a regular bank app, sure. And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
Well considering most hipster shitpiles actually log in and function (at least for the single hipster-ish bank account I have) while the traditional banks are a guessing game (we gonna forget my biometric login today? How about require [SMS-based only] 2fa despite me checking the box instructing you not to? Oh wait we log in and the screen is blank. Excellent.)
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@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
If you consider "hipster shitpile" to be better than a regular bank app, sure. And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
Well considering most hipster shitpiles actually log in and function (at least for the single hipster-ish bank account I have) while the traditional banks are a guessing game (we gonna forget my biometric login today? How about require [SMS-based only] 2fa despite me checking the box instructing you not to? Oh wait we log in and the screen is blank. Excellent.)
We seem to have more competent bankIT in Sweden then. Our banks have apps that work, good 2FA and it all seems to be pretty feature rich.
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@Carnage said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
If you consider "hipster shitpile" to be better than a regular bank app, sure. And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
Well considering most hipster shitpiles actually log in and function (at least for the single hipster-ish bank account I have) while the traditional banks are a guessing game (we gonna forget my biometric login today? How about require [SMS-based only] 2fa despite me checking the box instructing you not to? Oh wait we log in and the screen is blank. Excellent.)
We seem to have more competent bankIT in Sweden then. Our banks have apps that work, good 2FA and it all seems to be pretty feature rich.
That's definitely possible. American banking is... not great with IT.
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@Carnage said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
If you consider "hipster shitpile" to be better than a regular bank app, sure. And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
Well considering most hipster shitpiles actually log in and function (at least for the single hipster-ish bank account I have) while the traditional banks are a guessing game (we gonna forget my biometric login today? How about require [SMS-based only] 2fa despite me checking the box instructing you not to? Oh wait we log in and the screen is blank. Excellent.)
We seem to have more competent bankIT in Sweden then. Our banks have apps that work, good 2FA and it all seems to be pretty feature rich.
I worked for Swedish banks in the past. Let god have mercy on your souls.
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@MrL said in Killed by Google:
@Carnage said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
If you consider "hipster shitpile" to be better than a regular bank app, sure. And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
Well considering most hipster shitpiles actually log in and function (at least for the single hipster-ish bank account I have) while the traditional banks are a guessing game (we gonna forget my biometric login today? How about require [SMS-based only] 2fa despite me checking the box instructing you not to? Oh wait we log in and the screen is blank. Excellent.)
We seem to have more competent bankIT in Sweden then. Our banks have apps that work, good 2FA and it all seems to be pretty feature rich.
I worked for Swedish banks in the past. Let god have mercy on your souls.
My company has a few of the Swedish banks as clients, so I've peered behind that particular curtain. While pretty fucked up, it's still about on par for software in general, not that that makes it "good".
As I've told a few companies, being the best in class does not mean you're good, just that everyone else is more retarded.
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@Carnage said in Killed by Google:
@MrL said in Killed by Google:
@Carnage said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
If you consider "hipster shitpile" to be better than a regular bank app, sure. And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
Well considering most hipster shitpiles actually log in and function (at least for the single hipster-ish bank account I have) while the traditional banks are a guessing game (we gonna forget my biometric login today? How about require [SMS-based only] 2fa despite me checking the box instructing you not to? Oh wait we log in and the screen is blank. Excellent.)
We seem to have more competent bankIT in Sweden then. Our banks have apps that work, good 2FA and it all seems to be pretty feature rich.
I worked for Swedish banks in the past. Let god have mercy on your souls.
My company has a few of the Swedish banks as clients, so I've peered behind that particular curtain. While pretty fucked up, it's still about on par for software in general, not that that makes it "good".
As I've told a few companies, being the best in class does not mean you're good, just that everyone else is more retarded.Maybe you've seen different banks than me.
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@MrL said in Killed by Google:
@Carnage said in Killed by Google:
@MrL said in Killed by Google:
@Carnage said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
If you consider "hipster shitpile" to be better than a regular bank app, sure. And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
Well considering most hipster shitpiles actually log in and function (at least for the single hipster-ish bank account I have) while the traditional banks are a guessing game (we gonna forget my biometric login today? How about require [SMS-based only] 2fa despite me checking the box instructing you not to? Oh wait we log in and the screen is blank. Excellent.)
We seem to have more competent bankIT in Sweden then. Our banks have apps that work, good 2FA and it all seems to be pretty feature rich.
I worked for Swedish banks in the past. Let god have mercy on your souls.
My company has a few of the Swedish banks as clients, so I've peered behind that particular curtain. While pretty fucked up, it's still about on par for software in general, not that that makes it "good".
As I've told a few companies, being the best in class does not mean you're good, just that everyone else is more retarded.Maybe you've seen different banks than me.
The Process and red tape is pretty bad, but other than that, noting remarkable. I can't say which bank because NDAs, but we've helped at least one to throw out their old systems and build a new cloudy infrastructure and new services.
They aren't shining examples of good quality, but neither are they worse than any of the big corporations I've worked at. The Process and red tape being an exception, because that is worse. But since banks are interested in money, you can usually use profit as an occasional golden scissor for the red tape.
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@Carnage said in Killed by Google:
@MrL said in Killed by Google:
@Carnage said in Killed by Google:
@MrL said in Killed by Google:
@Carnage said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
If you consider "hipster shitpile" to be better than a regular bank app, sure. And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
Well considering most hipster shitpiles actually log in and function (at least for the single hipster-ish bank account I have) while the traditional banks are a guessing game (we gonna forget my biometric login today? How about require [SMS-based only] 2fa despite me checking the box instructing you not to? Oh wait we log in and the screen is blank. Excellent.)
We seem to have more competent bankIT in Sweden then. Our banks have apps that work, good 2FA and it all seems to be pretty feature rich.
I worked for Swedish banks in the past. Let god have mercy on your souls.
My company has a few of the Swedish banks as clients, so I've peered behind that particular curtain. While pretty fucked up, it's still about on par for software in general, not that that makes it "good".
As I've told a few companies, being the best in class does not mean you're good, just that everyone else is more retarded.Maybe you've seen different banks than me.
The Process and red tape is pretty bad, but other than that, noting remarkable. I can't say which bank because NDAs, but we've helped at least one to throw out their old systems and build a new cloudy infrastructure and new services.
They aren't shining examples of good quality, but neither are they worse than any of the big corporations I've worked at. The Process and red tape being an exception, because that is worse. But since banks are interested in money, you can usually use profit as an occasional golden scissor for the red tape.Those that I had the 'pleasure' to work for were the worst companies I've ever seen. Not only IT wise, not only stupid process wise - everything was horrifyingly wrong.
And I'm comparing them to other EU banks and insurance companies - a notoriously WTFky bunch.
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@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
@Carnage said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
@Atazhaia said in Killed by Google:
@sloosecannon said in Killed by Google:
To be fair, bank apps are in a special category of "horrendously bad", and at least theoretically these new companies have better ones.
If you consider "hipster shitpile" to be better than a regular bank app, sure. And if you want your bank to just have a fraction of the features of a regular bank.
Well considering most hipster shitpiles actually log in and function (at least for the single hipster-ish bank account I have) while the traditional banks are a guessing game (we gonna forget my biometric login today? How about require [SMS-based only] 2fa despite me checking the box instructing you not to? Oh wait we log in and the screen is blank. Excellent.)
We seem to have more competent bankIT in Sweden then. Our banks have apps that work, good 2FA and it all seems to be pretty feature rich.
That's definitely possible. American banking is... not great with IT.
At least my bank's website works; my insurance company's, not so much.
So, my insurance company has a website; let's call it badInsuranceWebsite.com. It says on the back of my insurance card for blah blah go to badInsuranceWebsite.com. So you type badInsuranceWebsite.com into the browser. And end up at a "Maintenance Page" with a yellow background, a URL that looks like a domain parking site, an "undergoing maintenance; try again later" message, and instructions to "If you think you have reached this page in error, type the URL of the site you are trying to reach into the address bar." Dumbass, that's how I got to this page in the first place. Oh, and the redirection happens in a way that there's no history of the URL you actually typed, so you can't try again or check for typos.
You have to be savvy enough to try typing www.badInsuranceWebsite.com, which takes you to a website that actually works fairly well (what little I've had occasion to try so far), but in 2021 they still haven't figured out how to configure their DNS to redirect the bare domain name to the web server.
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Something.
I for one have two browser tabs with Gmail on separate accounts and they both work fine.
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@Zecc Google says the problem was solved at 10:54 UTC. Guess they keep the message around for a bit after the issue was resolved. My fav on reading the report was that I (of course) got the swedish version with this message:
Det finns ytterligare text tillgänglig pü engelska. BesÜk den engelska sidan om du vill läsa mer text pü engelska.
There is more text available in English. Visit the English site if you want to read more text in English.
Edit: Actually, I'm gonna post the entire message in the Bites topic, because the entire preconstructed message is
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YouTube co-founder predicts âdeclineâ of the platform following removal of dislikes
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âDoes YouTube want to become a place where everything is mediocre?â
Karim has been getting his own message out in an unusual way: by editing the description to the first video ever uploaded to YouTube, a banal clip titled âMe at the zooâ which stars the 25-year-old Karim himself.
LOL
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@boomzilla quoted in Killed by Google:
"Does YouTube want to become a place where everything is mediocre?"
On average, it would be an improvement.
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Killed by google: The ability to not autoplay a randomly selected youtube video after the current one has finished.
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@PleegWat
Are you on the wrong side of an A/B test? Platform differences? Some other
reason?
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@coderpatsy Probably, because it's not there. I also have a different closed captions icon.
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@PleegWat .. and on the next video it is there. So they moved it and meanwhile turned it on for everyone who previously had it off?
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Google temporarily disrupts a botnet that infected 1 million PCs
On Tuesday, Google disclosed it recently disrupted a massive network of computers infected by Glupteba.
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50x teapot boiling?
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@Zecc said in Killed by Google:
Google temporarily disrupts a botnet that infected 1 million PCs
On Tuesday, Google disclosed it recently disrupted a massive network of computers infected by Glupteba.
An actual, valid use for Blockchain? And of course it's botnets.
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Google Search no longer supports Internet Explorer 11, because 'it is time'
Google Search is no longer officially supporting Internet Explorer 11, marking the beginning of the end for Microsoft's now-ancient browser.
Two months ago, and somehow no one noticed? How strange!!
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@Zecc On the one hand, it's IE so who cares, but on the other hand, why would it be unsupported? All the magic in a search engine happens on Google's servers. The browser just has to present a bunch of links with text. Literally the most basic thing that every web browser can do, going all the way back to the beginning.
I guess Discourse was ahead of its time
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@hungrier "Unsupported" is a flexible term. It can mean anything from "we didn't test it" via "we won't accept bug reports on it" to "it doesn't work" and "there is no implementation in this function".
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@PleegWat I just tried going to google.com in IE on my work laptop. It opened up a tab in Edge, and the tab in IE shows this page:
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@hungrier My apologies for having introduced a chain of events resulting in you running Edge.
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@hungrier said in Killed by Google:
the tab in IE shows this page:
Browser sniffing at its very worst.
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@HardwareGeek Looking at it more carefully, it seems Microsoft is doing that pre-emptively. With the devtools open on the network tab, it never even went to google.com before redirecting and opening Edge. Google.ca works just fine in IE, although it does popup the "You should install Chrome" message that Google likes to show.
I wish there was any good browser
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@hungrier said in Killed by Google:
Looking at it more carefully, it seems Microsoft is doing that pre-emptively.
I'm sorry; this is the "Killed by Google" thread, not the "Killed by Microsoft" thread. If you want to talk about MS disabling core functionality of their own browser, threads are
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