Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...
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@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
What will show them? You haven't broken the circle at all here. "And that's why they will play hardball" implies that there's something other than the hardball going on.
You have yet to show that there's a circle. So spare us your condescending tone.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
No, the biggest plus is that we did not have a war in the EU for several decades now. Considering the history of this continent that's no small achievment.
Which is more responsible for that? The EU or NATO?
Your welcome.
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A centrist intellectual with higher education and realistic view on politics who's too smart to buy into populist bullshit:
Europe would burn in flames if it wasn't for open borders and standarized VAT!
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@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
No, the biggest plus is that we did not have a war in the EU for several decades now. Considering the history of this continent that's no small achievment.
Which is more responsible for that? The EU or NATO?
Considering that people are more content when they have work and food, it's clearly the EU.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
A centrist intellectual with higher education and realistic view on politics who's too smart to buy into populist bullshit:
Europe would burn in flames if it wasn't for open borders and standarized VAT!
Yes, because that's all what the EU is about
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
What will show them? You haven't broken the circle at all here. "And that's why they will play hardball" implies that there's something other than the hardball going on.
You have yet to show that there's a circle. So spare us your condescending tone.
If you could answer the question I might believe you understood the concept of circular reasoning or condescension, which there wasn't until now, but at least I guess we can conclude that you didn't have anything important to say in that first post I replied to in thgis chain, and I can live with that.
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@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
What will show them? You haven't broken the circle at all here. "And that's why they will play hardball" implies that there's something other than the hardball going on.
You have yet to show that there's a circle. So spare us your condescending tone.
If you could answer the question I might believe you understood the concept of circular reasoning or condescension, which there wasn't until now, but at least I guess we can conclude that you didn't have anything important to say in that first post I replied to in thgis chain, and I can live with that.
You know what, you can fuck right off. You come in, preach from the high horse and don't explain yourself when questioned. Shows to me who exactly is the non-contributor here.
Which is not terribly surprising. Your answer is a prime example for condescension, troll.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
No, the biggest plus is that we did not have a war in the EU for several decades now. Considering the history of this continent that's no small achievment.
Which is more responsible for that? The EU or NATO?
Considering that people are more content when they have work and food, it's clearly the EU.
Who says you Germans don't have a sense of humor? But yeah, I remember how all my history classes taught that no one had jobs or food in 1914.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
What will show them? You haven't broken the circle at all here. "And that's why they will play hardball" implies that there's something other than the hardball going on.
You have yet to show that there's a circle. So spare us your condescending tone.
If you could answer the question I might believe you understood the concept of circular reasoning or condescension, which there wasn't until now, but at least I guess we can conclude that you didn't have anything important to say in that first post I replied to in thgis chain, and I can live with that.
You know what, you can fuck right off. You come in, preach from the high horse and don't explain yourself when questioned. Shows to me who exactly is the non-contributor here.
Yes, it showed you, but everything else you said there was totally wrong. Stop being a retard and turning off your brain every time I ask you a question and you'll post fewer foolish things like this.
Which is not terribly surprising. Your answer is a prime example for condescension, troll.
Just don't be so surprised when I call out your nonsensical statements. Sheesh.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
A centrist intellectual with higher education and realistic view on politics who's too smart to buy into populist bullshit:
Europe would burn in flames if it wasn't for open borders and standarized VAT!
Yes, because that's all what the EU is about
What else is it about? Does any of those things guarantee eternal peace? Are any of those eternal-peace-guaranteeing things impossible to achieve without a continent-wide superstate?
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
What will show them? You haven't broken the circle at all here. "And that's why they will play hardball" implies that there's something other than the hardball going on.
You have yet to show that there's a circle. So spare us your condescending tone.
The circle in question is "we're screwing over UK because they're leaving" and "leaving is bad because you get screwed over".
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@PleegWat Haw haw a NIXIT as it were.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
I mean, they seriously proposed to vote on changing the deal regarding the backstop without consulting the EU first! That's like wanting to buy a car, the dealer tells you that 25,000€ is the lowest he can go and then you go and demand the car for 12,000€ because he wants to sell cars, after all
The car dealer needs me more than I need him. Even though if I don't have a car I can't get to work and he has hundreds of customers
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@Jaloopa not to mention that demanding 12,000€ when the dealer says the lowest they can go is 25,000€, is a perfectly valid negotiation tactic that's being used all the time in all kinds of situations. Maybe the number is a bit extreme, but I heard many stories - with car dealers even! - where the seller got down to the lowest they can, the buyer still wanting a few thousands off, and neither getting any progress for a while until the seller finally budges and agrees to the lower price. Because 99% of the times when someone says it's their lowest, they're not telling the truth. Because telling that it's your lowest is also a widely used negotiation tactic!
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
stay calm all of youse.
WAT?!?!? This is the INTERNET! Staying calm is unpossible.
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@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
And we've always been open about what we want, what our red lines are and how we make deals.
The UK on the other hand has dreamed of unicorns and cakeism for a long time now.No deal types say exactly the same but with the parties reversed
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Or the other gem I remember: If you want to visit a Dutch person, what do you do? Correct answer: “Make an appointment in advance.”
?! Maybe up in the big cities in Holland, where they come up with tests like these, but out in the sticks where I live, you just drop by people’s house if you feel like it — if they’re out or don’t have the time, you’ll find out soon enough.It occurs to me that if you want to go to visit someone and ensure that they will be available (and able) to host your visit, arranging the visit in advance is probably a good idea, but:
- That's just universal good sense, no matter which country you are in.
- I wouldn't express that idea so formally as "make an appointment in advance".
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@Steve_The_Cynic take away all stupid generic questions that shouldn't even be there, and all stupid trivia about random historic figures. How many questions are left?
This is why bullshit questions exist.
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska the thing is that a Greater Europe does make sense. That only works though if there is actually a common mindset, a common culture, etc.
I’ll still compare this to the mentality concerning regions within countries. Not all of any given country (except maybe places like San Marino) have the exact same culture all around the country — north vs. south, east vs. west, cities vs. countryside, etc. — yet they all see themselves as part of the same nation-state. No reason why this loyalty to a nation-state couldn’t be to an institution like the EU. It’s just that for the last couple of centuries (give or take a few), Europeans have been thinking of themselves as belonging to a particular country, and this is a habit that’s hard to break.
It’s probably like economic systems: nobody can really imagine anything else than what we have today, and if you were to ask how economics worked, say, five hundred years ago, most people will probably think it was exactly like today. Even if you explain how it actually worked then, they’ll likely have a hard time imagining it — let alone that in the future, there will be a different way than there is now.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@bjolling are you saying we should dismantle non-homogenous countries, or what?
That was the plan exactly a hundred years ago, but then they made a couple of ones at the same time.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
What will show them? You haven't broken the circle at all here. "And that's why they will play hardball" implies that there's something other than the hardball going on.
You have yet to show that there's a circle. So spare us your condescending tone.
The circle in question is "we're screwing over UK because they're leaving" and "leaving is bad because you get screwed over".
But that isn't what is happening.
"we're screwing over UK because they're leaving"
The UK are refusing to sign the negotiated deal because they want to squeeze more out of it for them. They are taking a huge gamble and risk ending up with nothing.
"leaving is bad because you get screwed over".
If you leave a club, you lose all the benefits of belonging to that club. But somehow the British imagined getting rid of all obligations of being a member but keeping all the benefits. Where in the world does that ever work?
My money is still on the "no Brexit" scenario. PM May will not be able to get a better deal. (What's in it for the EU to start negotiating again? What is the UK offering in exchange?). Without a deal, she will be forced to postpone the withdrawal. This will push the issue past the elections which I bet the remain camp will win.
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@bjolling are you saying we should dismantle non-homogenous countries, or what?
That was the plan exactly a hundred years ago
Really? Never heard of that.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
It occurs to me that if you want to go to visit someone and ensure that they will be available (and able) to host your visit, arranging the visit in advance is probably a good idea, but:
- That's just universal good sense, no matter which country you are in.
- I wouldn't express that idea so formally as "make an appointment in advance".
The thing here is that the question (I’ve obviously never followed any integration classes) made it appear very much that the proper thing to do is phone up at least several days’ in advance of your visit, regardless of purpose, to confirm the other person will be able and willing to receive you. Even if it’s your next-door neighbour (and/)or a close friend.
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@bjolling said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
What will show them? You haven't broken the circle at all here. "And that's why they will play hardball" implies that there's something other than the hardball going on.
You have yet to show that there's a circle. So spare us your condescending tone.
The circle in question is "we're screwing over UK because they're leaving" and "leaving is bad because you get screwed over".
But that isn't what is happening.
"we're screwing over UK because they're leaving"
The UK are refusing to sign the negotiated deal because they want to squeeze more out of it for them. They are taking a huge gamble and risk ending up with nothing.
"leaving is bad because you get screwed over".
If you leave a club, you lose all the benefits of belonging to that club. But somehow the British imagined getting rid of all obligations of being a member but keeping all the benefits. Where in the world does that ever work?
What you're missing is that I was replying to the person who said that EU should screw UK as much as they can, because nationalists are bad by definition.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@bjolling are you saying we should dismantle non-homogenous countries, or what?
That was the plan exactly a hundred years ago
Really? Never heard of that.
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@Gąska Indeed, you are right. Nobody should be screwed for wanting to leave.
But the EU has no obligation to go easy on the UK either. There are two parties with their own agendas trying to get the most out of it from their point of view.
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@bjolling are you saying we should dismantle non-homogenous countries, or what?
That was the plan exactly a hundred years ago
Really? Never heard of that.
Not really what I meant. This treaty dissolves countries in order to create new countries. As you noticed this is not a sustainable solution. Because of raisins, populations of these states keep fluctuating making your new borders obsolete as soon as you decide on them.
In Belgium, we solved that by creating a government for several communities, not bound by specific territory (except for the Belgian territory of course). So the government of the French Speaking Community represents the French speaking people living anywhere in Belgium, even in Flemish territory, on matters of education for example.
It's an elegant solution here, were it not that there are also governments tied to territories... so it overlaps and multiplies quickly :-)
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
EU hasn't been necessary for that.
Funny for you to say that. The implosion of the USSR wouldn't have been so peacefully if NATO, EU and European Council hadn't played ball.
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@bjolling are you saying we should dismantle non-homogenous countries, or what?
That was the plan exactly a hundred years ago
Really? Never heard of that.
Ah, you're referring to Austro-Hungary. Yeah, you might say it was dismantling non-homogenous countries if you stretch it. But it was actually only about getting rid of Central Powers.
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
It occurs to me that if you want to go to visit someone and ensure that they will be available (and able) to host your visit, arranging the visit in advance is probably a good idea, but:
- That's just universal good sense, no matter which country you are in.
- I wouldn't express that idea so formally as "make an appointment in advance".
The thing here is that the question (I’ve obviously never followed any integration classes) made it appear very much that the proper thing to do is phone up at least several days’ in advance of your visit, regardless of purpose, to confirm the other person will be able and willing to receive you. Even if it’s your next-door neighbour (and/)or a close friend.
For sure, and that's sort of wrapped up in "make an appointment in advance", but if I think, "Hey, I bet Gurth would like to see this thing," I'm also likely to think, "I'd better give him a quick call to see if he's free." That sort of call is what I was thinking of in the first bullet point.
And I can't imagine any urban Dutch people feeling obliged to call up days in advance to book a slot either. Thirty years ago? Perhaps. Fifty years ago? Maybe, apart, perhaps, from a less-than-100% uptake on even having a phone. (I have no idea on the fraction of urban Dutch households with phones in the late 1960s, but I do know that it wasn't 100% for people in the UK in the early part of the 1990s.)
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@bjolling said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
we solved that by creating a government for several communities
For a strange definition of solved ... having up to 4 separate governments and 10 feodale fiefdoms govern the only actual big city.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden Isn't foreign policy a federal matter in the US as well?
Yes, but the difference is, they've made an amendment in 1865 that you can't leave the Union.
Which one was that?
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@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
EU hasn't been necessary for that.
Funny for you to say that.
Funny for you to completely miss the point of what I'm saying.
The implosion of the USSR wouldn't have been so peacefully if NATO, EU and European Council hadn't played ball.
Imagine if EU and EC stayed away but NATO still played their role. Actually, I'll save you the trouble and tell you how it would have ended: exactly the same.
Before you ask - yes, I realize all EU countries are also NATO members. That's a large part of my point.
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@jinpa said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden Isn't foreign policy a federal matter in the US as well?
Yes, but the difference is, they've made an amendment in 1865 that you can't leave the Union.
Which one was that?
The one in which an activist-judge-president Abraham Lincoln has pulled out of his ass a new interpretation of the words "a more perfect union" without anyone actually passing any legislation - and then won a war to enforce his interpretation as the law of the land.
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@Gurth national cohesion is often the result of a certain coercion (think of the strongly centralised French approach, for example), and anyway it results from the fact that people across the nation have the same education, watch the same television, vote for the same parties, etc. and even then, take for example the strong chauvinism of Italian northerners towards southerners. Now imagine that across a continent. Is it possible to achieve? Maybe so, but you need constant and pervasive conditioning, agreed across the union so that there truly is a common goal. This also probably means some censoring. In other words, it is utopian. The real big mistake is that the union is built over the assumption and therefore acts as if we're all European and we all feel European, but only the former is true. Could a tight union be possible? Maybe in the future, but I think that it has been botched irreparably and the union will sooner or later shatter or at least revert to a very loose confederation.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@bjolling are you saying we should dismantle non-homogenous countries, or what?
That was the plan exactly a hundred years ago
Really? Never heard of that.
Actually after WWI the idea was that peoples would have the right to self-determination. And that smaller nations could have their own countries. This was at least the public pretense. The real sentiment and motivations were certainly different.
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@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin Doesn't the US one include things like naming every president they've ever had, in order?
No, nothing like that. Though I think that would be cool if it was taught in school.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@jinpa said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden Isn't foreign policy a federal matter in the US as well?
Yes, but the difference is, they've made an amendment in 1865 that you can't leave the Union.
Which one was that?
The one in which an activist-judge-president Abraham Lincoln has pulled out of his ass a new interpretation of the words "a more perfect union" without anyone actually passing any legislation - and then won a war to enforce his interpretation as the law of the land.
That's not an amendment, sorry.
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@Gąska
No. NATO alone wouldn't have had the same effect. While it offered a defence and a defensive pose at the same time it expicitly referenced to EU/EC for other questions. USSR made it's vasal states political, economically, and sometimes even culturally completely dependent of Moscow. A mostly peaceful solution didn't only require a solution for the defence questions. EU/EC offered a positive escape path that NATO was not.
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
Playing hardball has a way of exploding in your face.
So has placableness. After all, we have also the rest of the EU to consider. And why on Earth should a non-member get a better deal than an actual member?
Why should have England and France imposed easier conditions on Germany after WWI? And being in a union shouldn't bring better conditions, it should bring perks. If you don't see them as perks then you shouldn't be in the union.
They already got a number of concessions. And we've always been open about what we want, what our red lines are and how we make deals.
The UK on the other hand has dreamed of unicorns and cakeism for a long time now.Not our fault if their dreams and reality are incompatible.
What does the EU gain from cutting out the UK from certain things (as in a "no deal" scenario)? The EU should accept that the UK doesn't want to be a part of it any more, but it shouldn't be punitive either. The EU has lax agreements with non-EU states, but in this case, they want to make an example of the UK in order to dissuade others from attempting such an exit.
Or, you know, it isn’t “punitive” at all but just requiring reasonable conditions, the same as with other states that have “lax agreements.”
The only real deal-breaker is the Ireland question.But anyway, is a tight union really desirable? That's the key really. It's all about a balance, and I think things have been pushed too far too soon, or rather, they've been pushed too far in certain directions and not enough in others that would be essential for the former to work (for example the economic coupling between member states would call for fiscal transfers).
For example: why shouldn't Germany prop up weaker member states? Why shouldn't Germany give in to other member states' demands even if it harms them? (Doesn't Bavaria pay somewhat for Saxony-Anhalt? Doesn't North Rhine-Westphalia have to accept that Brandenburg may have it easier on certain things?). Is it a union or not? The whole argument where Germany shouldn't have to pay for others (somewhat) is baseless from the start, if the union is to be, well, a union. Especially in the Eurozone.
Who said we shouldn’t? Except from our right wing propagandists (“Dexit”), nobody says Germany shouldn’t support the economically weaker states.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
What will show them? You haven't broken the circle at all here. "And that's why they will play hardball" implies that there's something other than the hardball going on.
You have yet to show that there's a circle. So spare us your condescending tone.
The circle in question is "we're screwing over UK because they're leaving" and "leaving is bad because you get screwed over".
- Show how the EU is screwing over the UK. Note: not getting whatever you want is not being screwed over.
- Why did you join the EU in the first place if being in it isn’t advantageous?
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@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
- Why did you join the EU in the first place if being in it isn’t advantageous?
Note that significant time has elapsed. So what was a good deal then might not be such a good deal now. In part because the countries themselves have changed and in other part because the union they joined initially has changed significantly and taken on more directorial control.
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@Benjamin-Hall One other important thing is that a foundational principle of legislatures is that no legislature can bind a future one by ordinary lawmaking, including treaties. What one vote does, another must be able to undo. The body that joined the EU was not the same one as currently is deciding to leave it, so no charges of hypocrisy or such can be sustained. Idiocy, maybe. But "you joined it so you have to stay" doesn't apply.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Benjamin-Hall One other important thing is that a foundational principle of legislatures is that no legislature can bind a future one by ordinary lawmaking, including treaties. What one vote does, another must be able to undo. The body that joined the EU was not the same one as currently is deciding to leave it, so no charges of hypocrisy or such can be sustained. Idiocy, maybe. But "you joined it so you have to stay" doesn't apply.
So we're saying the EU is the roach motel of international organizations?
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@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska
No. NATO alone wouldn't have had the same effect. While it offered a defence and a defensive pose at the same time it expicitly referenced to EU/EC for other questions. USSR made it's vasal states political, economically, and sometimes even culturally completely dependent of Moscow. A mostly peaceful solution didn't only require a solution for the defence questions. EU/EC offered a positive escape path that NATO was not.Are you saying the capitalist western Europe wouldn't exist without EU? Also, you're forgetting how big role in keeping the peace during the USSR downfall had the NKVD and other Soviet agencies.
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@jinpa said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@jinpa said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden Isn't foreign policy a federal matter in the US as well?
Yes, but the difference is, they've made an amendment in 1865 that you can't leave the Union.
Which one was that?
The one in which an activist-judge-president Abraham Lincoln has pulled out of his ass a new interpretation of the words "a more perfect union" without anyone actually passing any legislation - and then won a war to enforce his interpretation as the law of the land.
That's not an amendment, sorry.
You wouldn't spot a joke if it hit you with a baseball bat in the face.
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@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
What will show them? You haven't broken the circle at all here. "And that's why they will play hardball" implies that there's something other than the hardball going on.
You have yet to show that there's a circle. So spare us your condescending tone.
The circle in question is "we're screwing over UK because they're leaving" and "leaving is bad because you get screwed over".
- Show how the EU is screwing over the UK.
You'd have to take a look into @Rhywden's fantasies.
- Why did you join the EU in the first place if being in it isn’t advantageous?
I have an answer to this question but it would just open the flood gates like never before, so I'll keep it to myself.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Rhywden said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Nothing will happen, stay calm all of youse. The EU doesn't really want to play hard ball with the UK, because that would be extremely counterproductive in this climate (where half of the Union is suspicious or outright despises the Union). The moment the UK is in deep shit is when the Eurosceptics start rallying against the inhumane imperialistic Union (and they would have a point). On the other hand, the UK does not want a hard Brexit so they will scramble to put a deal on the table.
Actually, it's the other way around: Brexit is the best advertisment for why idiotic Nationalism à la Orban is suicide. And that's why they will play hardball.
That sounds...circular.
Not really. Nationalists of all kinds always want their cake and eat it alone. This will show those morons exactly what happens when they get what they want.
What will show them? You haven't broken the circle at all here. "And that's why they will play hardball" implies that there's something other than the hardball going on.
You have yet to show that there's a circle. So spare us your condescending tone.
The circle in question is "we're screwing over UK because they're leaving" and "leaving is bad because you get screwed over".
- Show how the EU is screwing over the UK.
You'd have to take a look into @Rhywden's fantasies.
- Why did you join the EU in the first place if being in it isn’t advantageous?
I have an answer to this question but it would just open the flood gates like never before, so I'll keep it to myself.
I have car joke for that, but it’s a cheap shot.
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@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Benjamin-Hall One other important thing is that a foundational principle of legislatures is that no legislature can bind a future one by ordinary lawmaking, including treaties. What one vote does, another must be able to undo. The body that joined the EU was not the same one as currently is deciding to leave it, so no charges of hypocrisy or such can be sustained. Idiocy, maybe. But "you joined it so you have to stay" doesn't apply.
So we're saying the EU is the roach motel of international organizations?
Ugh. I expected you to have enough classical taste to at least do Hotel California.
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