Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Was it rejection by UK side or by EU side, and what does it even mean in this context?
This was much earlier in the negotiations. The UK PM imposed one of her own red lines (either it was a personal one or it was linked to trying to keep her party together) which was that there could be no position for the ECJ in any agreement. That had a number of consequences, as the ECJ is the court that is supposed to rule on disputes in a number of treaties, especially in relation to the Single Market (but very much not just that). It's not clear at all to me whether May had any idea what the consequences of ruling that out would be, but that's how it goes; this was all after the quality of advice being given to the government had dropped like a stone due to the political requirement that all advisors of any kind actually believe that Brexit was a jolly good idea.
It's a shitshow. With lots of littler shitshows within it.
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@dkf okay, I take back everything I said about UK government until this point. They are totally retarded, and everything regarding Brexit is their own fault.
I still think everything will end up mostly alright and there will be Brexit deal in time, whether in March or at some other date because they'll manage to postpone it.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
everything regarding Brexit is their own fault
No. It sure feels like it sometimes, but there are plenty of other assholes who get a fair share of the blame.
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@dkf if they really refused to participate in shared market on the same rules as all other non-member states participate, then it doesn't matter what other people did since the result would still be the same - a deadlock caused by UK having literally unacceptable demands. And I mean literally very literally. As such, the whole fiasco is 100% on UK and 0% on anybody else.
Except domains. This is on EURid too.
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
the huge spectre of the IRA, the PIRA
The Stickies(1) haven't mattered in decades, and the Provos(2) are theoretically a buried dragon(3). But there are also the various splinter groups (Real IRA, etc.) from both of them (and of course the Provos were originally a splinter group of the Stickies anyway).
(1) The Stickies ==> the original Irish Republican Army, although by the time the Troubles rolled around in the late 60s, it had largely devolved into a Marxist talking shop.
(2) The Provos ==> the Provisional IRA, so named because they wanted to take over the mantle of IRA-ness after they split from the Stickies, but the Stickies were still around so the new group had to be provisional (temporary). They kept the name because it rapidly gave rise to an excellent "hard men" nickname, "Provos".
(3) If you believe that the dragon is dead-and-buried rather than merely sleeping, I'm sure I can sell you this nice bridge and that tranche of land just ready for development in mid-Florida.
If the dragon does wake, we'll also have to deal a host of other sleeping dragons, UVF, UDF, UDA, and all the rest. All that is what I alluded to when I mentioned all Heck breaking loose.
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@dkf said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
one of her own red lines (either it was a personal one or it was linked to trying to keep her party together)
More likely (you know, like about eleventy three megabazigillozillion percent more likely) it was both of those things together.
It's a shitshow. With lots of littler shitshows within it.
For sure.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Explain Norway then.
.no
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@HardwareGeek said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@PleegWat said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
TIL. Despite living in California (almost) my entire life, I never knew there so many other Californias.
FAKE NEWS!!! LALALALALA - FAKE FAKE FAKE!
(Ok, not really, I can't wait to retire and move outta here)
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Since this is the current Europe thread..
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
(2) The Provos ==> the Provisional IRA, so named because they wanted to take over the mantle of IRA-ness after they split from the Stickies, but the Stickies were still around so the new group had to be provisional (temporary). They kept the name because it rapidly gave rise to an excellent "hard men" nickname, "Provos".
Depends on your cultural background. Where I come from, “provo” is largely regarded as equivalent to “hippie” — even though provos had a somewhat different mentality:
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
(2) The Provos ==> the Provisional IRA, so named because they wanted to take over the mantle of IRA-ness after they split from the Stickies, but the Stickies were still around so the new group had to be provisional (temporary). They kept the name because it rapidly gave rise to an excellent "hard men" nickname, "Provos".
Depends on your cultural background. Where I come from, “provo” is largely regarded as equivalent to “hippie” — even though provos had a somewhat different mentality:
I'd assume they're Mormons.
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
(2) The Provos ==> the Provisional IRA, so named because they wanted to take over the mantle of IRA-ness after they split from the Stickies, but the Stickies were still around so the new group had to be provisional (temporary). They kept the name because it rapidly gave rise to an excellent "hard men" nickname, "Provos".
Depends on your cultural background. Where I come from, “provo” is largely regarded as equivalent to “hippie” — even though provos had a somewhat different mentality:
And of course I meant "in a Brito-Irish context" so immediately two people cited other contexts. Bah.
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@PJH said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Since this is the current Europe thread..
One minor problem:
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@topspin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
That is eye opening.
Lord Buckethead still said it best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovs3wlGWMtI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJzW_gFoXR0
EDIT: Looks like Stephen Colbert also had to feature that last one in The Late Show.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
And of course I meant "in a Brito-Irish context" so immediately two people cited other contexts. Bah.
Just saying it’s probably only a "hard men” nickname because it was used by a bunch of hardmen — or did “provo” already have a meaning like that before in British or Irish English?
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@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
And of course I meant "in a Brito-Irish context" so immediately two people cited other contexts. Bah.
Just saying it’s probably only a "hard men” nickname because it was used by a bunch of hardmen — or did “provo” already have a meaning like that before in British or Irish English?
I think mostly because of the sound of it, actually.
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@boomzilla said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gurth said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
(2) The Provos ==> the Provisional IRA, so named because they wanted to take over the mantle of IRA-ness after they split from the Stickies, but the Stickies were still around so the new group had to be provisional (temporary). They kept the name because it rapidly gave rise to an excellent "hard men" nickname, "Provos".
Depends on your cultural background. Where I come from, “provo” is largely regarded as equivalent to “hippie” — even though provos had a somewhat different mentality:
I'd assume they're Mormons.
I really don't think they'd like to be known as Mormons.
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@Khudzlin said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Native-born citizens in most countries would absolutely fail any "know about your country" test that exists to torment would-be naturalised citizens.)
I'd be interested in the questions to see how badly I'd fail the test. Also, tell us the date when you have it, so we can say "merde" to you at the relevant time.
News Flash! The interview is scheduled for Thursday two weeks from today, in the morning. I have the whole day off work so I can de-stress(1) before having to go back to the office.
(1) Most likely that will involve wrapping myself round a big steak and the contents of a bottle of wine.
EDIT: er, the steak will be big by the standards of what I can easily get hold of, rather than big by e.g. Texan standards.
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@Steve_The_Cynic But will there be Béarnaise sauce or Châteaubriand sauce?
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@TwelveBaud said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Steve_The_Cynic But will there be Béarnaise sauce or Châteaubriand sauce?
Probably something like a sauce poivre, since that's what I prefer.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Right now, I'm convinced that the worst thing about EU is how it's taken over a huge chunk of foreign diplomacy such that all the treaties are between EU and the rest of the world, and not between EU members directly and the rest of the world.
That's the whole fucking point of the EU!
Well, arguably the simplification of things between individual members is a different point, but collective bargaining works and every country who has ever joined the EU has been motivated by it.
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@LaoC said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Right now, I'm convinced that the worst thing about EU is how it's taken over a huge chunk of foreign diplomacy such that all the treaties are between EU and the rest of the world, and not between EU members directly and the rest of the world.
That's the whole fucking point of the EU!
Yes, and it's the worst part! Ergo, EU is the worst thing ever, by design. QED.
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@LaoC also, just to be clear. I'm not against collective bargaining. I'm saying EU does collective bargaining the wrong way.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@LaoC also, just to be clear. I'm not against collective bargaining. I'm saying EU does collective bargaining the wrong way.
Everybody making their own treaties is not how collective bargaining works. I mean, sure they could, but if you collectively bargain so everybody can only make the same treaty as has been collectively negotiated, having n*m bilateral meetings and separate treaties instead of 1*m would be just moronic.
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@LaoC said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
moronic
That's the general flavour of Brexit, yes.
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@LaoC said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@LaoC also, just to be clear. I'm not against collective bargaining. I'm saying EU does collective bargaining the wrong way.
Everybody making their own treaties is not how collective bargaining works.
But everyone agreeing to sign the same treaty is. You get all the same benefits, and your treaties aren't instantly nullified when you decide to leave the cool boys club! Win-win!
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
and your treaties aren't instantly nullified when you decide to leave the cool boys club!
But the advantageous conditions obtained by the collective bargaining are predicated on you being a part of the cool boys club. If you leave, the other parties don't have an incentive to keep the treaties. Why would someone want to retain the same agreement they made with the whole of the EU with just the UK alone, if the UK isn't bringing a commensurate benefit on their own? Maybe your own industry competes with Britain, and you now see this as a chance to apply tariffs to british products and boost your own (not that protectionism works, but everyone keeps wanting to try it). With the UK as part of the EU, you agreed to not have tariffs in exchange for access to the rest of the single market. If the UK leaves, fuck them, you don't have to save them from themselves.
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@Kian said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
and your treaties aren't instantly nullified when you decide to leave the cool boys club!
But the advantageous conditions obtained by the collective bargaining are predicated on you being a part of the cool boys club.
And there's no fundamental reason why it couldn't be done otherwise.
If you leave, the other parties don't have an incentive to keep the treaties.
Ireland and Poland certainly do. Non-European countries would most likely want to keep them too.
Why would someone want to retain the same agreement they made with the whole of the EU with just the UK alone, if the UK isn't bringing a commensurate benefit on their own?
But they do bring benefit on their own. They're a rich country with a big market and big export. Mexico, a country with a much smaller economy than UK, has no trouble maintaining political and trade relations with many countries all around the world despite not being memeber of EU or any other union.
Maybe your own industry competes with Britain, and you now see this as a chance to apply tariffs to british products and boost your own
If they want to, they're free to revoke the agreement. No automatic nullification doesn't mean it cannot be nullified manually.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
And there's no fundamental reason why it couldn't be done otherwise.
Yes there is. That is what collective bargaining implies. Sure, you'd want to have some kind of treaty with the UK, but not the same treaty you got as a result of the UK being part of the EU and you wanting to deal with the whole of the EU. If you were negotiating one-on-one, then each treaty would be different, with you getting a better deal where you have a stronger position and a worse deal where you have a weaker position. With collective bargaining, you're less likely to be able to take advantage of your stronger position, as the collective body is only as weak as its strongest member.
If a member leaves the collective, then the deal you struck with them is overly beneficial and you could get a better deal with them as an individual. Granted, the UK is one of the stronger members of the EU, so it probably did more propping up than being propped up, but having all its treaties cut also presents everyone else with an opportunity as they're going to be in a hurry to cut new deals and the party that is in a hurry in a negotiation is at a massive disadvantage. Why would anyone else want to be generous and give them free money, over a mess they set up for themselves?
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@Kian said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
And there's no fundamental reason why it couldn't be done otherwise.
Yes there is. That is what collective bargaining implies.
No. All it implies is that all sides sign the agreement simultaneously. Revoking is another matter entirely and can be done on individual basis without (too) much problem. It's being done all the time in corporate world for all kinds of things. And they could add language like "you cannot revoke the agreement with one EU member without also revoking it with all other EU members" to the treaty, to protect EU members while they're still in EU.
It can be done. But won't be done, for purely political reasons.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
But won't be done, for purely
politicaleconomical reasons.You seem to be lacking a general understanding of this free market thingy. Not to mention a total lack of what trade agreements are.
My wife works as a sales rep for a chemical company. They make and sell stuff that is used by other companies to make paint, ink, tyres, ... whatever. If she draws up a sales contract for repeated sales to A she considers the expected volumes. A can get a better price then B because what is lost in cents on the per ton price to A is made up by the volume that is bought by A. B doesn't make the same volume and thus gets a higher price. As a manufacturer this makes sense because making 100 tons of the product is per ton cheaper then making 10 tons.
Now if A splits up in C and D and C comes around to negotiate a price can they ask for the same price as A? Of course they can! But my wife will be literally laughing at them the entire time while she forces feeds them a price hike because now the expected volume changed drastically and there is fewer profit to be made per ton.Same goes for trade agreements. Country A exports dildo's to Country B. Country B in turn exports condoms and lube to country A. They both look at their mutual trade and say: we can strike a deal here ... country A will lower import taxes (or other import restrictions) on condoms and lube from B and country B will lower import taxes on dildo's from A.
And everybody is happy! Trade is flourishing, people in country A are happy with cheaper condoms and lube while the people in B enjoy the cheaper dildo's. Now B pulls a Czechoslovakia thing and splits up peacefully in B1 and B2. B1 goes to country A and says: can we still have this great deal on dildo's? I now can only sell you condoms but we're still good aren't we? Will country A go "sure!" or "uhh ... maybe not ... because before I imported condoms and lube and now it will only be condoms ... my people want both to be cheap."
That is how trade agreements work. You have two countries draw up a tit-for-that contract. If tit changes you can't expect that to still apply.
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@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
If tit changes you can't expect that to still apply.
If you're swapping tit for tat, you're
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@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
But won't be done, for purely
politicaleconomical reasons.<trump_wrong.avi>
You seem to be lacking a general understanding of this free market thingy. Not to mention a total lack of what trade agreements are.
My wife works as a sales rep for a chemical company. They make and sell stuff that is used by other companies to make paint, ink, tyres, ... whatever. If she draws up a sales contract for repeated sales to A she considers the expected volumes. A can get a better price then B because what is lost in cents on the per ton price to A is made up by the volume that is bought by A. B doesn't make the same volume and thus gets a higher price. As a manufacturer this makes sense because making 100 tons of the product is per ton cheaper then making 10 tons.
Now if A splits up in C and D and C comes around to negotiate a price can they ask for the same price as A? Of course they can! But my wife will be literally laughing at them the entire time while she forces feeds them a price hike because now the expected volume changed drastically and there is fewer profit to be made per ton.What about D? Can D expect the same deal they've had before? Because I assume C is an analogy for UK and D is analogy for the rest of EU.
What if C and D make a joint venture and try to get the same deal together as they've had before, with the same volume of goods as before because their cumulative need is the same as before the split? Will they get laughed at too?
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@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
But won't be done, for purely
politicaleconomical reasons.You seem to be lacking a general understanding of this free market thingy. Not to mention a total lack of what trade agreements are.
My wife works as a sales rep for a chemical company. They make and sell stuff that is used by other companies to make paint, ink, tyres, ... whatever. If she draws up a sales contract for repeated sales to A she considers the expected volumes. A can get a better price then B because what is lost in cents on the per ton price to A is made up by the volume that is bought by A. B doesn't make the same volume and thus gets a higher price. As a manufacturer this makes sense because making 100 tons of the product is per ton cheaper then making 10 tons.
Now if A splits up in C and D and C comes around to negotiate a price can they ask for the same price as A? Of course they can! But my wife will be literally laughing at them the entire time while she forces feeds them a price hike because now the expected volume changed drastically and there is fewer profit to be made per ton.Same goes for trade agreements. Country A exports dildo's to Country B. Country B in turn exports condoms and lube to country A. They both look at their mutual trade and say: we can strike a deal here ... country A will lower import taxes (or other import restrictions) on condoms and lube from B and country B will lower import taxes on dildo's from A.
And everybody is happy! Trade is flourishing, people in country A are happy with cheaper condoms and lube while the people in B enjoy the cheaper dildo's. Now B pulls a Czechoslovakia thing and splits up peacefully in B1 and B2. B1 goes to country A and says: can we still have this great deal on dildo's? I now can only sell you condoms but we're still good aren't we? Will country A go "sure!" or "uhh ... maybe not ... because before I imported condoms and lube and now it will only be condoms ... my people want both to be cheap."
That is how trade agreements work. You have two countries draw up a tit-for-that contract. If tit changes you can't expect that to still apply.This is all "theoretical", for one simple reason: the UK is too large an economy. After a certain threshold, ie. the difference between big and massive, it doesn't count that much any more.
And it's "tit for tat", not "tit for that".
By the way, I really don't think that when Czechoslovakia split, deals struck with them were punitive. (Maybe they were, or in time they stopped getting the same deals, but I'm confident they weren't at the start, CBA to look it up). If so, the reason was certainly political. "Look, a Communist country that is no longer communist and has chosen to pursue our same path to despair, while peacefully splitting and empowering each of their people! Let's be nice to them".
If your wife tried to do that to Slovakia or the Czech Republic at the time, her boss would have gifted you with another hole where to fuck her.
Whereas currently the EU wants to fuck a new hole in the UK and, as I said, this will explode (their own cum) in their face.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
What if C and D make a joint venture and try to get the same deal together as they've had before,
then there is no split in the example is there? but what kind of business sense does that make? let's divide up our company and then put both parts in a joint-venture. let's keep discussion to earthly economics. No need to move to Pie_flavors home planet.
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
Whereas currently the EU wants to fuck a new hole in the UK
except I didn't touch that part of the discussion. I'm just annoyed by @Gąska 's lack of economical sense.
@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
This is all "theoretical", for one simple reason: the UK is too large an economy. After a certain threshold, ie. the difference between big and massive, it doesn't count that much any more.
If that was the case trade deals between China and USA would be a breeze.
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@Luhmann and the real issue between the US and China is mostly political, because they have really been frenemies for the last forty or so years, plus they compete against each other as a superpower. They also are of comparable scale. There doesn't have to be the same attrition with the UK, except that the EU wants to prove a point.
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@Luhmann said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
What if C and D make a joint venture and try to get the same deal together as they've had before,
then there is no split in the example is there?
There is a split, but then a partial rejoin in some areas. This happens all the time when countries split in a mostly peaceful way. Of course countries splitting is itself very rare, but still.
but what kind of business sense does that make?
The same as all other joint ventures.
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
except that the EU wants to prove a point.
So does the UK. Welcome to politics! Where we have assholes on one side and shitlords in the other.
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@Gąska said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
all other joint ventures.
Do you have an example of a company that split up and then formed a joint-venture with it's former parts?
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@Luhmann is there some fundamental difference between companies after split and just any other two companies that make joint ventures impossible?
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@Luhmann of course, but the EU is blind to the widespread mistrust of it and, well, I'm repeating myself. My point is that the EU shouldn't want to make things unnecessarily hard and even freely concede on a few points just to keep the peace. For example, you'll see, the moment tariffs and shit (mostly bureaucratic complexity) are imposed against the UK, lots of people will start writing articles about loss of business, and you will want to bet that the Eurosceptics will spin this in their favour. Regardless of "whose fault is it". Being right sometimes looks like being wrong.
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@Gąska
I just wonder what kind of sense it could make in the real world
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@Luhmann the same sense as any other joint venture.
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@Gąska his point is that why should a company split, then form a joint venture? And he's right, I can't envision many cases where this makes sense. But companies do not have national pride and identity. And those can be more important than wealth, generally speaking.
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@admiral_p
I mostly agree. Tusk should be flogged for some of those comments. But pulling your pants down and lubing up isn't the right approach either.
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@Luhmann @Gąska 's point is that even the hardest Brexit shouldn't have to be harder than necessary. For example British aviation could be effectively blocked off because there aren't treaties regulating the matter, and if the EU actually lets that happen to make an example of the UK, well, that's being a dick. Taking domain names away, after you've bought them, is a dick move. And so on.
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
@Gąska his point is that why should a company split, then form a joint venture?
And my point is that since joint ventures exist at all, and splitting a company results in two or more companies that are just like any other company and can do whatever any other company can do, there's nothing that makes it impossible for split companies to form a joint venture if a business need arises. That these things rarely (if ever) happen is because the splits are done in a way that results in nearly zero business overlap between particular parts, so there's nearly zero reason to form a venture even if it wasn't a split but those two new companies were always there and operated for years completely independently from each other in a way that still resulted in zero business overlap. Which makes it completely different from countries, which when split, usually have very similar economic structure, very similar goals and very similar interests. Which is also why you see a lot of grouping between split countries even though you don't see grouping between split companies.
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@admiral_p said in Do .EU have a domain registered in the UK? .EU may not have long to reregister it elsewhere...:
companies do not have national pride and identity
Are you sure about that? (Pre-emptive : replacing the word “national” by “corporate” in that quote above.)
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@Gurth but you appreciate that it is different? You can be proud to work for a certain company, and this can also spill over into personal identity, but that's usually pathological, just like being a voting citizen is different to being a subject.
Compare: "FOR SCOTLAND!", "FOR GOOGLE!".