Is this ever going to give me a headache?
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@dcon said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@remi said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
(I'm guessing some sort of Alt+666 on Windows)
I was curious what that was: Ü
Character Map says that's Alt+0220. Typing Alt+666 into Word gives me code point 029A "Latin Small Letter Closed Open E". I have no idea how to generate such a character on my phone — something like ε but connect the two ends.
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@Gurth said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
In modern times, though, the masculine form is almost invariably used regardless of the sex of the person being referred to.
Don't forget the (m/v) in job ads, or have they stopped doing that?
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@HardwareGeek said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@dcon said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@remi said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
(I'm guessing some sort of Alt+666 on Windows)
I was curious what that was: Ü
Character Map says that's Alt+0220. Typing Alt+666 into Word gives me code point 029A "Latin Small Letter Closed Open E". I have no idea how to generate such a character on my phone — something like ε but connect the two ends.
I did alt+666 in notepad and copy/pasted that to here...
edit: huh. Typing alt+0220 did give the same thing...alt+0666 => š
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@dcon said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
alt+666
Alt+666: the codepoint of the beast!
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@dcon They use different character sets. 4-digit numbers are hexadecimal unicode codepoints. Three digit numbers are decimal and (I think) based on the specific codepage your locale used before windows switched to unicode.
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@PleegWat said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@dcon They use different character sets. 4-digit numbers are hexadecimal unicode codepoints. Three digit numbers are decimal and (I think) based on the specific codepage your locale used before windows switched to unicode.
Yeah, they're all magic incantations.
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Hey, what's the Linux equivalent for the Alt + code input method, if there is one? Seems appropriate to ask here.
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@admiral_p said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
Alt + code input method
That's a legacy from DOS and doesn't work on Linux
You can try this: https://www.linux.org/threads/alt-keys-and-linux.11517/
I would but
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@PleegWat said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
4-digit numbers are hexadecimal unicode codepoints. Three digit numbers are decimal and (I think) based on the specific codepage your locale used before windows switched to unicode.
I tried both Alt+666 and Alt+0666 and got the same glyph for both. That said, 66610 == 29a16, which is the codepoint of the Latin Small Closed Open E.
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@boomzilla said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@anonymous234 said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@mikehurley Consistency. "Thou" is to "you" as "he/she/it" is to "they".
Except that originally
thou:youas::tú:usted(to use my high school Spanish).That's how it devolved (thou/thee were informal; ye/you were formal), until William Tyndale re-standardized the technical meanings with his translation of the Bible into English (and adopted by every English translation until well after the KJV/AV):
2nd-Person
PronounsSingular Plural Nominative thou ye Objective thee you Possessive thy/thine your/yours Thee and thou eventually dropped out of favor, along with ye, so that you took over all duties as the 2nd-person pronoun.
But since the English Bible translations continued (until fairly recently) to use Thee and Thou in many places to refer to the singular God (and other individuals), the "formalness" of the terms switched, so for the past few hundred years, thee/thou have been felt to be more formal than you, and are often still used as such in religious settings.
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@PleegWat said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
Don't forget the (m/v) in job ads, or have they stopped doing that?
I get the impression that’s no longer the done thing. Well, mostly anyway.
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@Gąska said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
I believe it's because back when women weren't allowed to work, writing was a rare and valuable skill, so people who could write fast were highly regarded
More likely is that being a secretary was one of the few jobs that were socially acceptable for a young woman to have, besides things like housemaid, shop assistant, and a few more like that — but more prestigious because it’s in an office. And because a secretary is basically almost the bottom rung in an office (just above the cleaner, really), it was also acceptable for the company to hire women for that job.
Any time a job became prestigious, men would end up filling it — the early days of computer programming is a good and topical (for this site) example. In places where it was seen as a job in itself, programmers were men, but where it was seen as basically the labour side of mathematics, programmers were mostly women (working under the direction of male mathematicians/programmers, of course). In those latter places, as soon as programming did become prestigious, the women were soon replaced by men.
not so much nowadays.
The reason there aren’t so many secretaries anymore is simply because of PCs: most office staff who would have a secretary in the past now type their own letters on the computer on their desk. Even if this is slower than having a secretary with a typing diploma do it, it saves a lot of money on personnel, and of course in the days when everyone had a secretary, having a computer on your own desk was far more impressive than having a secretary outside your office’s door.
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@Gurth said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
of course in the days when everyone had a secretary, having a computer on your own desk was far more impressive than having a secretary outside your office’s door.
What about having a secretary on your own desk?
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@TimeBandit said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@Gurth said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
of course in the days when everyone had a secretary, having a computer on your own desk was far more impressive than having a secretary outside your office’s door.
What about having a secretary on your own desk?
That was originally known as a laptop.
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@TimeBandit said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
What about having a secretary on your own desk?
What about having a secretary that was a desk?
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@djls45 I imagined something entirely different. I like my imagination better.
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@Gąska said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@remi did it catch on?
Nobody caught on to my joke from earlier in the thread.
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@Gurth said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
In modern times, though, the masculine form is almost invariably used regardless of the sex of the person being referred to.
This has been happening in English, although of course the language is less gendered than other Euro-languages seem to be. The most common examples seem to be actor (actress) and waiter (waitress). Stewardess (male: steward) is almost always the gender neutral "flight attendant" now.
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@HardwareGeek said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@dcon said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@remi said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
(I'm guessing some sort of Alt+666 on Windows)
I was curious what that was: Ü
Character Map says that's Alt+0220. Typing Alt+666 into Word gives me code point 029A "Latin Small Letter Closed Open E". I have no idea how to generate such a character on my phone — something like ε but connect the two ends.Adding a leading
0totally changes how the number is processed.Alt+0220, because of the leading
0, will insert the character from Windows-1252 (Latin-1) with the character code 220 mod 256 (decimal), which isÜ. (It also happens to be code point 220 in Unicode, but this is not always the case... the character Š, for instance, is character code 138 in CP-1252, but in Unicode it is code point 352.)Alt+666, since there isn't a leading
0, will insert the character from Code page 437 with the character code 666 mod 256 (decimal), or 154. That character in CP437 isÜ.tl;dr: Alt+0220, Alt+154, or Alt+666 will all insert the same character,
Ü, as will Alt+0476, Alt+922, ...In case it wasn't clear, all numbers in this post were given in decimal, not hex. (In hex,
Üis U+00dc.)edit: it seems that the information in this post applies to Windows 7 and older. Newer versions might use the Unicode code point (still in decimal, though).
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@PleegWat said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@dcon They use different character sets. 4-digit numbers are hexadecimal unicode codepoints. Three digit numbers are decimal and (I think) based on the specific codepage your locale used before windows switched to unicode.
They're not hex, just decimal.
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@anotherusername It seems to depend on Windows version, or something, because both Alt+666 and Alt+0666 produced ʚ (Unicode 29A) on my Win10 work laptop, but on my Win7 home machine, nothing produces that; I had to copy/paste from Character Map.
Alt+0220: Ü
Alt+666: Ü (but ʚ on Win10)
Alt+0666: š (but ʚ on Win10)
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@HardwareGeek
ʚis indeed the Unicode character with the code point 666 (decimal). I guess they must have deprecated the old Windows/DOS code page support in Windows 10.
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@anotherusername said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
they must have deprecated the old Windows/DOS code page support
Good riddance!
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@HardwareGeek Then again, reports seem to vary as to whether it works on Windows 10. This discussion seems to indicate that there may be a registry key that switches it to Unicode (haven't tried it), and/or that the right and left Alt keys might do different things (tried that, no difference on my PC).
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@HardwareGeek said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
@anotherusername It seems to depend on Windows version, or something, because both Alt+666 and Alt+0666 produced ʚ (Unicode 29A) on my Win10 work laptop, but on my Win7 home machine, nothing produces that; I had to copy/paste from Character Map.
Alt+0220: Ü
Alt+666: Ü (but ʚ on Win10)
Alt+0666: š (but ʚ on Win10)
Odd. I got those first chars on Win10 (using notepad). That was with an external keyboard with numpad. Now that I'm working "at home" (car dealer), I have no numpad keys and can't do the alt sequences at all.
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@HardwareGeek said in Is this ever going to give me a headache?:
Alt+666: Ü
