Why Windows 10 Sucks
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@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
BTW @Rhywden - if not forced updates, what do you think is the biggest problem with Windows 10? Because you sure as hell have an opinion on that - everybody does.
I like Windows 10, generally. But forced updates drive me mad. I get angry just thinking about it, because it reminds me about horrors I went through because of them. The worst part is that I know I'll be kicked in the nuts by this moronic 'functionality' in future.
There, user survey, sample size: 1.
I did feel the same way a while ago, but I have to admit that I adjusted nicely.
It still strikes me as the Wrong Thing to Do, turning off user's computer, but from the usability perspective, I don't really care anymore.
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@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
BTW @Rhywden - if not forced updates, what do you think is the biggest problem with Windows 10? Because you sure as hell have an opinion on that - everybody does.
I like Windows 10, generally. But forced updates drive me mad. I get angry just thinking about it, because it reminds me about horrors I went through because of them. The worst part is that I know I'll be kicked in the nuts by this moronic 'functionality' in future.
There, user survey, sample size: 1.
I did feel the same way a while ago, but I have to admit that I adjusted nicely.
It still strikes me as the Wrong Thing to Do, turning off user's computer, but from the usability perspective, I don't really care anymore.
Maybe because your computer CAN update. Mine crashes every time. And I tried at least 20 times (because I couldn't not try).
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@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
I did feel the same way a while ago, but I have to admit that I adjusted nicely.
It still strikes me as the Wrong Thing to Do, turning off user's computer, but from the usability perspective, I don't really care anymore.IOW, you gave up
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@sockpuppet7 said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
There is no proof or any evidence of it doing anything sinister afaik, but at this point I work on the assumption that the NSA has access to anything on my computer at any time, with or without help from the os.
It's not just the NSA.
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@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
BTW @Rhywden - if not forced updates, what do you think is the biggest problem with Windows 10? Because you sure as hell have an opinion on that - everybody does.
I like Windows 10, generally. But forced updates drive me mad. I get angry just thinking about it, because it reminds me about horrors I went through because of them. The worst part is that I know I'll be kicked in the nuts by this moronic 'functionality' in future.
There, user survey, sample size: 1.
I did feel the same way a while ago, but I have to admit that I adjusted nicely.
It still strikes me as the Wrong Thing to Do, turning off user's computer, but from the usability perspective, I don't really care anymore.
How is the weather in Stockholm?
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@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
I did feel the same way a while ago, but I have to admit that I adjusted nicely.
It still strikes me as the Wrong Thing to Do, turning off user's computer, but from the usability perspective, I don't really care anymore.
How's that working out when you turn your computer on, to do something urgent, and you are greeted with "Preparing updates, it will take a minute" and the fucking dots circle for an hour?
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@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
How's that working out when you turn your computer on, to do something urgent, and you are greeted with "Preparing updates, it will take a minute" and the fucking dots circle for an hour?
This thread's about Windows 10, not Android.
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@blakeyrat said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
How's that working out when you turn your computer on, to do something urgent, and you are greeted with "Preparing updates, it will take a minute" and the fucking dots circle for an hour?
This thread's about Windows 10, not Android.
Meh...if it were android then I could just use my land line.
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@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@blakeyrat said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
How's that working out when you turn your computer on, to do something urgent, and you are greeted with "Preparing updates, it will take a minute" and the fucking dots circle for an hour?
This thread's about Windows 10, not Android.
Meh...if it were android then I could just use my land line.
Odds are AT&T uVerse would blip at that moment too... which, of course, takes my android phone out too cause the signal sucks so bad I can only use wifi calling at home. I want my POTS copper wire back.
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@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
BTW @Rhywden - if not forced updates, what do you think is the biggest problem with Windows 10? Because you sure as hell have an opinion on that - everybody does.
I like Windows 10, generally. But forced updates drive me mad. I get angry just thinking about it, because it reminds me about horrors I went through because of them. The worst part is that I know I'll be kicked in the nuts by this moronic 'functionality' in future.
There, user survey, sample size: 1.
I did feel the same way a while ago, but I have to admit that I adjusted nicely.
It still strikes me as the Wrong Thing to Do, turning off user's computer, but from the usability perspective, I don't really care anymore.
Maybe because your computer CAN update. Mine crashes every time. And I tried at least 20 times (because I couldn't not try).
That is probably an important factor, true.
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@timebandit said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
I did feel the same way a while ago, but I have to admit that I adjusted nicely.
It still strikes me as the Wrong Thing to Do, turning off user's computer, but from the usability perspective, I don't really care anymore.IOW, you gave up
Not really. It just turned out I'm not really inconvenienced by this feature.
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@boomzilla said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@sockpuppet7 said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
There is no proof or any evidence of it doing anything sinister afaik, but at this point I work on the assumption that the NSA has access to anything on my computer at any time, with or without help from the os.
It's not just the NSA.
GODDAMIT @PJH!
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@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
I did feel the same way a while ago, but I have to admit that I adjusted nicely.
It still strikes me as the Wrong Thing to Do, turning off user's computer, but from the usability perspective, I don't really care anymore.
How's that working out when you turn your computer on, to do something urgent, and you are greeted with "Preparing updates, it will take a minute" and the fucking dots circle for an hour?
Never happened to me.
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As long as the CPU and MB are close to the same between machines, I have had it work on XP and 2000. (It throws a ton of errors and only boots into safe mode, but in both cases I was able to get it working in the end)
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@blakeyrat said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
In any case, I'd still like an explanation of what he means by "keyboard scanning". Does he think his Windows 10 laptop is somehow filming him typing? What even is that?
My guess is the typing analysis that is sent with Full telemetry, typing into Cortana, and probably other places I don't remember at the moment/have changed locations in Settings over various releases of Windows 10.
I'm not a fan of the forced data collection. I'm less of a fan of all the places ads/suggestions/tips/etc. show up now (and need to be turned off). There are days I miss XP and 7 (pre-Get 10 campaign), but here I am, waiting for 1803 to be released so I can do a fresh install of Windows after doing the hardware upgrades I've been planning for a while. I've given in to apathy just like every time I go through the EULA in an installer: Sell...soul...Microsoft. (Clicks Next.)
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@dragoon said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
As long as the CPU and MB are close to the same between machines, I have had it work on XP and 2000.
In my experience, it would failed if the storage controller was not the same, unless you switched the driver to the generic one before moving it, since Windows wouldn't find the boot drive.
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@blakeyrat said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
How's that working out when you turn your computer on, to do something urgent, and you are greeted with "Preparing updates, it will take a minute" and the fucking dots circle for an hour?
This thread's about Windows 10, not Android.
My Android phone doesn't update on its own. It gives these extremely obnoxious reminders, but doesn't actually update (and neither uses underhanded tactics to trick me into agreeing). Also, the phone is turned on most of the time, as opposed to computers which are mostly off, so delayed start of the latter is much bigger deal.
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@dragoon said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
As long as the CPU and MB are close to the same between machines, I have had it work on XP and 2000. (It throws a ton of errors and only boots into safe mode, but in both cases I was able to get it working in the end)
I've once swapped XP hard disk from one Athlon 2600 to another, and it worked flawlessly. But I was too young to know what I'm doing.
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@dragoon said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
As long as the CPU and MB are close to the same between machines, I have had it work on XP and 2000. (It throws a ton of errors and only boots into safe mode, but in both cases I was able to get it working in the end)
Yeah, but modern Windows will detect the new hardware and do the initial setup thing if it's not the same. So it works on anything (in theory). I swapped a drive from a desktop to a laptop and it kept the same install.
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@sloosecannon said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@dragoon said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
As long as the CPU and MB are close to the same between machines, I have had it work on XP and 2000. (It throws a ton of errors and only boots into safe mode, but in both cases I was able to get it working in the end)
Yeah, but modern Windows will detect the new hardware and do the initial setup thing if it's not the same. So it works on anything (in theory). I swapped a drive from a desktop to a laptop and it kept the same install.
Note though that does require it being able to boot and connect to the internet for the drivers. If it can't use your network card without drivers, it can't go to the internet to download those drivers.
In the win7 era (might still apply), if you originally installed on the hard drive in IDE mode, it would not boot in AHCI mode because those drivers were not included by default.
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@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
I did feel the same way a while ago, but I have to admit that I adjusted nicely.
It still strikes me as the Wrong Thing to Do, turning off user's computer, but from the usability perspective, I don't really care anymore.
How's that working out when you turn your computer on, to do something urgent, and you are greeted with "Preparing updates, it will take a minute" and the fucking dots circle for an hour?
Never happens to me. At most it's just a minute or two.
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@pie_flavor this minute is still very annoying when you just want to print one page and have a bus in 4 minutes.
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@hungrier said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
I've never had this problem. Whenever I run AMD's updater, with the network connected like normal, it does its thing and gets me the new driver. The worst thing that's happened with that is that sometimes it sets the default audio output to HDMI instead of my speakers.
That's probably a Windows problem. I have a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 and it does that too.
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@rhywden said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@rhywden it's also the single biggest issue people have with Windows 10, bigger than everything else combined.
I'd like a source for that.
I think that mandatory updates are the biggest problem with Windows 10. That's just my opinion, but it is the correct opinion.
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@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@dragoon said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
As long as the CPU and MB are close to the same between machines, I have had it work on XP and 2000. (It throws a ton of errors and only boots into safe mode, but in both cases I was able to get it working in the end)
I've once swapped XP hard disk from one Athlon 2600 to another, and it worked flawlessly. But I was too young to know what I'm doing.
Yes, but Microsoft has made several substantial changes over the years.
The licensing mechanism for Vista and Windows 7 is substantially different from XP, and Windows 8/10 are even more differenter.
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@gąska said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@pie_flavor this minute is still very annoying when you just want to print one page and have a bus in 4 minutes.
Lack of proper planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on Windows's part.
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@heterodox computers are supposed to make life easier, not harder.
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@gąska I think you missed the
(don't worry, it comes around every fifteen minutes around these parts, if not sooner). I don't disagree with you.
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@heterodox I get told everything would suck less if I was better at planning all the time by everyone in my family, and I'm absolutely fed up with it. It's almost as bad as constantly mocking my weight, and getting reminded how important scientific degree is every other weekend for the last seven years. But you're right; I shouldn't let my personal issues affect my interactions on this forum.
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@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
I did feel the same way a while ago, but I have to admit that I adjusted nicely.
It still strikes me as the Wrong Thing to Do, turning off user's computer, but from the usability perspective, I don't really care anymore.
How's that working out when you turn your computer on, to do something urgent, and you are greeted with "Preparing updates, it will take a minute" and the fucking dots circle for an hour?
Never happened to me.
Has happened to me. Can't give the exact length of circleage, but it had been going for a bit over an hour by the time I left for work.
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@scarlet_manuka said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@mrl said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@kt_ said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
I did feel the same way a while ago, but I have to admit that I adjusted nicely.
It still strikes me as the Wrong Thing to Do, turning off user's computer, but from the usability perspective, I don't really care anymore.
How's that working out when you turn your computer on, to do something urgent, and you are greeted with "Preparing updates, it will take a minute" and the fucking dots circle for an hour?
Never happened to me.
Has happened to me. Can't give the exact length of circleage, but it had been going for a bit over an hour by the time I left for work.
This really sucks. :/
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@kt_ These days - if I remember - rather than doing "Update and shut down", which seems to cause this problem, I do "update and restart", and if it looks like it's going to be a while I just turn the monitor off and let it do its thing overnight. Annoying to have to leave the computer on, but less annoying than hour-long spinnage in the morning, so
Of course the real problem with this is the risk that Microsoft are going to see the telemetry and say "well, nobody uses 'Update and shut down', let's remove that feature", rather than "maybe we should fix 'Update and shut down' so that it actually does all the updating before it shuts down, rather than doing 1% of it and leaving the other 99% until next boot".
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@scarlet_manuka said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
@kt_ These days - if I remember - rather than doing "Update and shut down", which seems to cause this problem, I do "update and restart", and if it looks like it's going to be a while I just turn the monitor off and let it do its thing overnight. Annoying to have to leave the computer on, but less annoying than hour-long spinnage in the morning, so
Of course the real problem with this is the risk that Microsoft are going to see the telemetry and say "well, nobody uses 'Update and shut down', let's remove that feature", rather than "maybe we should fix 'Update and shut down' so that it actually does all the updating before it shuts down, rather than doing 1% of it and leaving the other 99% until next boot".
Wouldn't work for my work machine, since the third-party disk encryption requires entering a password on every reboot including reboot for updates.
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@pleegwat Better than my machine--it just won't soft reboot. At all. Regardless of what OS it's running. It hangs after the OS shuts down but before it power cycles. So I have to babysit updates and reboot it manually (holding down the power button) every time it wants to reboot.
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My Windows evolved again. Revoking access to upgrade folder still works, but errors are gettimg more and more obnoxious - it went from error popup at boot to popup every 20 minutes to a big metrosexual popup window that dims the rest of screen, where the only button is "more info", which I guess opens something up but I didn't check yet because I am in the middle of watching Grey's Anatomy.
Fuck popups that show over fullscreen applications.
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Also, since I've got some days off, I finally could call Microsoft customer service in business hours. Turns out, technical support is paid extra (at least over here).
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It seems like Windows finally got over broken permissions. But there's still one last line of defence...
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@gąska Though there is that "Use external storage instead"?
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@rhywden for now, it only activates when I click it. Also, I don't have external storage. So all is good. Except I can't clean up disk.
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@pleegwat said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
Wouldn't work for my work machine, since the third-party disk encryption requires entering a password on every reboot including reboot for updates.
Same here, actually, but I only reboot that one when I'm at work. There've been a couple of times when it's rebooted by itself in the evening and then I've been unable to access it to fix something that's broken overnight.
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@rhywden It still needs space on the C: drive
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@benjamin-hall said in Why Windows 10 Sucks:
Better than my machine--it just won't soft reboot. At all. Regardless of what OS it's running. It hangs after the OS shuts down but before it power cycles.
Sounds like a bug in the BIOS, as it's usual for higher-level operating systems to delegate to the BIOS for some low-level operations including triggering a reboot (which is rather motherboard-specific and doesn't need to be very fast; it's not something that you'll ever want to do thousands of times a second).
