EU wants to filter code
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@pie_flavor said in EU wants to filter code:
There's a
threadnovel roughly the length of War and Peace.FTFY
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@lucas1 said in EU wants to filter code:
Brexit looks a lot more sensible doesn't it?
scoff no because UK politicians think-
@lucas1 said in EU wants to filter code:
that Encryption should have a back door because it would never get abused by criminals.
Oh. I guess you already covered that.
Fine! Ruin my fun.
Stupid remoaners pretending to be brexiters.
Anyone give a shit that I never close my HTML tags.
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Speaking of EU legislation, somebody explain to me the point to this:
The Cookie Law Explained
The Cookie Law is a piece of privacy legislation that requires websites to obtain consent from visitors to store or retrieve any information on a computer or any other web connected device, like a smartphone or tablet.
The Cookie Law is a piece of privacy legislation that requires websites to get consent from visitors to store or retrieve any information on a computer, smartphone or tablet.
Why? Of all the threats on the internet (e.g. downloading a "malware scanner" which is actually malware, accidentally buying another fridge, giving away your credit card details to people) why are cookies remotely interesting?
I feel like it's just a false sense of security for the technologically illiterate. It looks to me like the weirdest politically equivalent of jingling the keys in front of people to distract them I've ever seen.
Somebody help me out here. I'm not wearing my tinfoil had today and the gummint's reading my brain.
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@shoreline It's law of unintended consequences at work.
The general idea is that it is not allowed to track you / store data about you without your explicit consent, which is already enshrined in other laws. I.e., if I enter my address in some shop, there'll be a disclaimer somewhere that my data is going to be used only to facilitate the shopping, not randomly sold or whatever. Good and reasonable so far. Of course, you could argue that non-EU based corporations (cough Facebook cough) break all EU privacy laws constantly without any consequences.
The intention of the cookie law was, I assume, to not have every stupid site track you without your consent. The result, of course, is that the use of cookies for that hasn't declined at all, but everything shows a cookie warning or some crazy shit where you can "configure your cookie usage", like on slashdot. Then it takes literally 5 minutes to send that request "only necessary cookies, fuck your ads" to their network. Advantage for the user: less than zero.
Most websites now tell you they need cookies to function (not true), insist you click through a bullshit disclaimer, and store an additional cookie that you've clicked it.Since cookies don't get stored in private browsing, which I mainly use, the "I accept your cookie bullshit" cookie doesn't get stored, so the disclaimer pops up again all the time. Luckily, there's an "I don't care about cookies" list for adblock, so this whole craziness gets completely nuked out of existence.
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@bb36e said in EU wants to filter code:
Even GPL-licensed code is under copyright.
Indeed. In fact, the GPL itself cannot work unless the code is under copyright.
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@lucas1 said in EU wants to filter code:
Amber Rudd (I forget which position in the UK cabinet)
Nobody important. She"s just the Home Secretary.
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@steve_the_cynic said in EU wants to filter code:
Home Secretary.
I hope she picks up the phone with "the Lady of the house speaking"
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@luhmann said in EU wants to filter code:
@steve_the_cynic said in EU wants to filter code:
Home Secretary.
I hope she picks up the phone with "the Lady of the house speaking"
Slight problem: the Father Of The House isn't really talking to her.
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@dkf
poor Richard
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@shoreline said in EU wants to filter code:
Speaking of EU legislation, somebody explain to me the point to this:
The Cookie Law is a piece of privacy legislation that requires websites to obtain consent from visitors to store or retrieve any information on a computer or any other web connected device, like a smartphone or tablet.
The Cookie Law is a piece of privacy legislation that requires websites to get consent from visitors to store or retrieve any information on a computer, smartphone or tablet.
Why? Of all the threats on the internet (e.g. downloading a "malware scanner" which is actually malware, accidentally buying another fridge, giving away your credit card details to people) why are cookies remotely interesting?
Because the things you mentioned are already illegal.
I feel like it's just a false sense of security for the technologically illiterate. It looks to me like the weirdest politically equivalent of jingling the keys in front of people to distract them I've ever seen.
The cookie laws make more sense when you remember that the original goal was to reduce amount of useless cookies that provide no value to users and are there only for tracking.
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@gąska said in EU wants to filter code:
The cookie laws make more sense when you remember that the original goal was to reduce amount of useless cookies that provide no value to users and are there only for tracking.
Wait but-
@topspin said in EU wants to filter code:
Advantage for the user: less than zero.
Ok so I guess we covered that.
But seriously, thanks that clears that up.
@topspin said in EU wants to filter code:
Luckily, there's an "I don't care about cookies" list for adblock, so this whole craziness gets completely nuked out of existence.
Very interesting...
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@topspin said in EU wants to filter code:
and store an additional cookie that you've clicked it.
Which sites are those? It seems to me like I get the "Hey we're using cookies! If you don't like it then fuck off" popup all the time.
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@shoreline said in EU wants to filter code:
@topspin said in EU wants to filter code:
Luckily, there's an "I don't care about cookies" list for adblock, so this whole craziness gets completely nuked out of existence.
Very interesting...
Especially from legal standpoint. If you've taken measures that make it impossible for website to ask for your permission to use cookies, can they use cookies?
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@hungrier said in EU wants to filter code:
@topspin said in EU wants to filter code:
and store an additional cookie that you've clicked it.
Which sites are those? It seems to me like I get the "Hey we're using cookies! If you don't like it then fuck off" popup all the time.
Are you actively dismissing them with okay button?
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@gąska Sometimes. It's not a big enough deal that I spend a lot of time thinking about, and between using multiple devices, privacy-enhancing browsers, etc, I consider it par for the course.
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@hungrier said in EU wants to filter code:
@gąska Sometimes. It's not a big enough deal that I spend a lot of time thinking about, and between using multiple devices, privacy-enhancing browsers, etc, I consider it par for the course.
> don't agree to using cookies
> complain that websites ask you to agree to using cookies as mandated by law
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@gąska It's not the law where I am. Instead of the popup they should always ask to use my location to determine that they don't have to ask me about cookies
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@hungrier what should happen if you don't allow location?
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@gąska said in EU wants to filter code:
@hungrier what should happen if you don't allow location?
I'm pretty sure GeoIP can accurately determine what continent you're on.
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@gąska Obviously the page should be nothing but cookie warnings at that point.
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@ben_lubar unless you're using proxy. I'm sure that if some large website did geolocation shenanigans to conditionally ask for permission, there would soon be a lawsuit by some behind-proxy asshole claiming illegal use of cookies.
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@ben_lubar said in EU wants to filter code:
@gąska said in EU wants to filter code:
@hungrier what should happen if you don't allow location?
I'm pretty sure GeoIP can accurately determine what continent you're on.
Except for those people who are using a system managed by an Indian Outsourcing company…
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@gąska said in EU wants to filter code:
@hungrier said in EU wants to filter code:
@topspin said in EU wants to filter code:
and store an additional cookie that you've clicked it.
Which sites are those? It seems to me like I get the "Hey we're using cookies! If you don't like it then fuck off" popup all the time.
Are you actively dismissing them with okay button?
cplusplus.com doesn't remember that I've agreed and will show it every day.
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@lb_ huh. I just checked and you are right - they don't remember it. And not because they don't save it - they actually create the cookie, but only for current session.
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@hungrier said in EU wants to filter code:
@topspin said in EU wants to filter code:
and store an additional cookie that you've clicked it.
Which sites are those? It seems to me like I get the "Hey we're using cookies! If you don't like it then fuck off" popup all the time.
Maybe I'm wrong about this. I assumed they don't ask you this all the fucking time, but they do for me because the cookies their site "requires" for use get nuked by private browsing. Google makes me click through their T&C toaster every once in a while and I assume it's a cookie thing.
@lb_ said in EU wants to filter code:
cplusplus.com doesn't remember that I've agreed and will show it every day.
Interesting question from a legal standpoint: what happens if you don't click on agree? Do they store cookies anyway? Because I'm sure they do. So it really shouldn't read "click to agree we're using cookies" but instead "we've already set cookies, just letting you know".
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@lb_ said in EU wants to filter code:
cplusplus.com
cplusplus.com has a bad reputation anyway. Use cppreference.com instead. See also
What are the errors, misconceptions or bad pieces of advice given by cplusplus.com?
There are several references for the C++ standard library, including the invaluable ISO standard, MSDN, IBM, cppreference, and cplusplus. Personally, when writing C++ I need a reference that has qu...
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@bulb I am assume it is like w3cschools.com vs developer.mozilla.org?
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@lucas1 Pretty much, yes. The question is pretty old, but reputation lost is hard to get back.
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@bulb W3CSchools is much better now btw, but about 10 years ago when I started out with web dev, it had a lot of innaccurate stuff.
There wasn't MDN at the time and a lot of people used it.
MDN is the resource I use these days for anything JS as not only accurate it also tells you the polyfill/shim the browser properly.
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@lucas1 Yeah, cplusplus is presumably also better now, but it still looks like shit—and took way longer to load than cppreference when I tried a few moments back.
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@bulb I know, I don't use it for the reference, I have 13k posts answering questions on the forums. cppreference is indeed my preferred reference source.
I've asked Juan Soulie before about open-sourcing the site so the community could improve it, but they said they were embarrassed at the code quality and wanted to refactor it first. They seem a rather busy person judging by other interactions. So as a result the site is indeed quite sluggish and outdated looking. I've mostly stopped using it because I'm tired of not having proper forum tools.
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@dkf said in EU wants to filter code:
@ben_lubar said in EU wants to filter code:
@gąska said in EU wants to filter code:
@hungrier what should happen if you don't allow location?
I'm pretty sure GeoIP can accurately determine what continent you're on.
Except for those people who are using a system managed by an Indian Outsourcing company…
They have bigger problems than cookies then.
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@gąska said in EU wants to filter code:
And not because they don't save it - they actually create the cookie, but only for current session.
The backend/administrative side of League Republic (site for managing league tables for various sports) does the same for their 'persistent' cookies..
And their session cookies last for about 5 minutes* after your last action. Good luck if it takes 5m2s entering scores on a page before clicking submit....
* Disclaimer: I've never timed it, but the
Remember Mecheckbox on the login screen should really keep you logged in for more than half-an hour if you haven't closed the tab on the last page you were looking at.
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@bulb said in EU wants to filter code:
@lucas1 Yeah, cplusplus is presumably also better now, but it still looks like shit—and took way longer to load than cppreference when I tried a few moments back.
It's funny - for me, it was always cppreference.com that took forever. The page loaded, but all text was white for the first 30 seconds.
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@pie_flavor said in EU wants to filter code:
Status: Moddability is coming along quite nicely. I'm using the Mega Edition set as a reference for whether the API is capable enough. Though I worry I'm overusing ref parameters slightly, but how else do you implement cancellable events?
Wrong thread?
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@gąska said in EU wants to filter code:
@bulb said in EU wants to filter code:
@lucas1 Yeah, cplusplus is presumably also better now, but it still looks like shit—and took way longer to load than cppreference when I tried a few moments back.
It's funny - for me, it was always cppreference.com that took forever. The page loaded, but all text was white for the first 30 seconds.
I remember that, it was a browser bug with font rendering because they were using a custom font. I reported it and they did some workarounds to try and alleviate the problem until browsers eventually patched it.
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@lb_ they must've done some really funny stuff with that font because it was literally the only website I've had problem with.
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@gąska I remember having the issue on a few other sites at the time too, but most sites don't use
the same fontcustom fonts for all text on the page.
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@lb_ cppreference does use several fonts in the page (normal text, verbatim and notes are different font each—and for me the verbatim usually takes noticeably longer to show than the main text).
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@jbert whoooops
