Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit
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@blakeyrat Ah, the joys of short-term memory loss.
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@blakeyrat said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
official App page on Play Store does not include "contains ads" warning. Because Google doesn't have to follow their own rules! Fuck you, consumers!
Not quite. Advertising yourself is perfectly normal. Do people want to buy photo books? Probably. Would anybody know about this feature without advertising? Nope. What is the best app to advertise a big sale on a paid feature of an app? That app. The 'contains ads' warning is for apps which just have a space set aside for ads, and tell some advertising company (like Google, ahem ahem) to go hog wild. In that case, it's worth saying because (a) these could be malicious, (b) these could consume data, and (c) these are managed by an ad company and not remotely related to the software you're using. But a !!SINGLE!! ad for photo books, in a photos app, where the photo books are sold by the app's company, through the app, in the form of a notification whose quarter-second action to permanently dismiss seems to cause you enough distress to write a rant for several minutes about it, is a completely different category.
Please actually read it this time, instead of scanning the first few words and immediately determining that I am disagreeing with you and therefore wrong.
Advertising, as your phone understands it, is a block of space in an app which the app sells to an advertising provider company. The app does not know what the advertising is.
Any content that the app itself provides, no matter what it is, does not count as 'advertising' in this sense.
And can I point you to the glaringly obvious 'X' button in the top right-hand corner of that box. With a single, fraction-of-a-second gesture, you can rid yourself of it entirely.
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@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Please actually read it this time, instead of scanning the first few words and immediately determining that I am disagreeing with you and therefore wrong.
Ok, I'm sure this will be great.
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Advertising, as your phone understands it, is a block of space in an app which the app sells to an advertising provider company.
Wow, my phone understands things? I had no idea it was sentient.
In any case, this statement is already wrong. It has a "Moto" logo right on the faceplate. That's advertising. It doesn't exist in an app, and it's not provided by an "advertiser provider company". (BTW if you're going to have a serious conversation about digital advertising, maybe look up "ad exchange" so you don't sound like a 5-year-old.)
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
The app does not know what the advertising is.
That's only true in the case of third-party advertising (and even then only sometimes-- assuming by "the app" you mean "the company or individual who maintains the app." Applications aren't sentient.) This Motorola advertisement we got spammed with in our notifications is first-party.
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Any content that the app itself provides, no matter what it is, does not count as 'advertising' in this sense.
Not true. If I open the Bank of America Android app, it advertises a credit card at me. That's a first-party advertisement from Bank of America themselves, not served over an ad exchange. It certainly counts as "advertising".
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
And can I point you to the glaringly obvious 'X' button in the top right-hand corner of that box. With a single, fraction-of-a-second gesture, you can rid yourself of it entirely.
Did you know there's a button you can click on this very site to make it better? If you click your little avatar image in the top right, then click "Logout", everybody on this forum will have a much better time.
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@blakeyrat So apparently you've misunderstood nearly everything I've said. There comes a point where I must wonder if it's intentional.
@blakeyrat said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Advertising, as your phone understands it, is a block of space in an app which the app sells to an advertising provider company.
In any case, this statement is already wrong. It has a "Moto" logo right on the faceplate. That's advertising. It doesn't exist in an app, and it's not provided by an "advertiser provider company".
Yes. This is, in the general definition of the word, advertising. It is not, in the technical, mobile-phone-oriented sense of the word, which various services such as Amazon or Google put in their apps, advertising. I'm saying that software specs define advertising as thing x, and you're saying 'well something else fits my definition of advertising so you're wrong'. And if you want to be , it does exist within an app; the apps generate the notifications.
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
The app does not know what the advertising is.
That's only true in the case of third-party advertising (and even then only sometimes-- assuming by "the app" you mean "the company or individual who maintains the app." Applications aren't sentient.) This Motorola advertisement we got spammed with in our notifications is first-party.
OK, let's use that terminology then. When an application says it's not ad supported, when Google says an app does not contain ads, they are referring to third-party advertising.
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Any content that the app itself provides, no matter what it is, does not count as 'advertising' in this sense.
Not true. If I open the Bank of America Android app, it advertises a credit card at me. That's a first-party advertisement from Bank of America themselves, not served over an ad exchange. It certainly counts as "advertising".
Hence why I said 'in this sense', which you have misinterpreted to mean 'in every sense'. You seem to have the mindset that if something is not in your sense, then it is wrong no matter what.
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
And can I point you to the glaringly obvious 'X' button in the top right-hand corner of that box. With a single, fraction-of-a-second gesture, you can rid yourself of it entirely.
Did you know there's a button you can click on this very site to make it better? If you click your little avatar image in the top right, then click "Logout", everybody on this forum will have a much better time.
Did you know that's not a response?
And I'm guessing you didn't actually, by the way, read the quote.
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@hungrier said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
How about "it would be stupid as fuck to do it with checkboxes"?
How is this not the far better UI:
https://www.macobserver.com/imgs/tips/20150403_Select.jpg?x98952@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:*
If the space surrounding them is the same color as the background, i.e. there is no visual indicator whatsoever, it's a good assumption that they are deselected.
Back in the old days before flat design insanity, no visual indicator whatsoever meant it's a static element you can't interact with. But of course spending 1px on a border of a button etc. to indicate it's an active element would destroy the minimalism of the design. (The screenshot has that problem too, though)
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@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Yes. This is, in the general definition of the word, advertising. It is not, in the technical, mobile-phone-oriented sense of the word, which various services such as Amazon or Google put in their apps, advertising.
The great thing about this argument is you can use it for everything.
"If you define theft as 'stealing from people who aren't shopowners', then you can see that Billy who threw a rock through that liquor store and emptied out its register is perfectly innocent!"
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
I'm saying that software specs define advertising as thing x, and you're saying 'well something else fits my definition of advertising so you're wrong'.
Since you obviously work for Google, why don't you hit up your company address book, find the guy in charge of the Photos app, and drop him an email saying, "hey buddy, we sure look like stone-cold hypocrite assholes right now-- we gotta either add the 'ad supported' store tag for this app or stop serving up ads."
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
And if you want to be , it does exist within an app; the apps generate the notifications.
The app somehow painted the "Moto" logo on the front of my phone's screen? That's pretty impressive.
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
OK, let's use that terminology then. When an application says it's not ad supported, when Google says an app does not contain ads, they are referring to third-party advertising.
Yeah but here's the thing: I don't give a shit what they think.
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Hence why I said 'in this sense', which you have misinterpreted to mean 'in every sense'. You seem to have the mindset that if something is not in your sense, then it is wrong no matter what.
I don't even know what a "sense" is in this context. Like... smell?
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Did you know that's not a response?
Sure it is.
@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
And I'm guessing you didn't actually, by the way, read the quote.
Reading's for nerds.
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@jaloopa said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@mikehurley said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Alarm Clock Xtreme
I used that for a long time, but then the built in alarm got the feature where it shows you about upcoming alarms for two hours and lets you pre emptively dismiss them. Does Xtreme have anything similar without a permanent "you have an alarm at some point in the future" notification?
I have AlarmDroid, it does as you describe. Never been disappointed yet.
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@jaloopa said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@haloquadratum said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
When did Google kill the ability to move apps to the SD card?
They haven't?
Not allmost apps don't support it despite having no reason not to, but ones that do should have the option in their app details screen from settingsFTFY
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@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
I don't know if this is a stock-Android feature, but I know that my phone can format an SD card to the internal storage format, to bypass all SD card restrictions. If you remove it, shit breaks, but if you don't, you can have as large 'internal storage' as you like.
I tried that, and even still, most apps, especially the big ones, don't let themselves get moved.
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@tsaukpaetra Well, no, they don't get 'moved'. They're already installed. But how do you know that new apps aren't getting installed there? AIUI, it essentially treats the SD card as just more internal storage, and doesn't even register it as a separate storage device.
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@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@tsaukpaetra Well, no, they don't get 'moved'. They're already installed. But how do you know that new apps aren't getting installed there? AIUI, it essentially treats the SD card as just more internal storage, and doesn't even register it as a separate storage device.
Oh, it's a separate device alright. I know because I painstakingly went into the App Info of every non-system App to try and move it. I was successful with about 30mb of Apps IIRC, totally worth the 64gb free space on the card.
Edit: I lied, apparently I filled
280mb1.3gb worth.
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@topspin said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
How is this not the far better UI:
Because you can't see what alarm you are setting to repeat in that screenshot.
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@coderpatsy The one you where setting when you got to that screen, obviously? How bad is your attention deficit, really?
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@topspin said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
How bad is your attention deficit, really?
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@blakeyrat said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@hungrier Stupid... why?
Although I would recommend drawing a box around the days to distinguish them visually. I doubt Android has anything similar to the Windows "GroupBox" concept, though, because that would be useful to have.
Hey guys I think we're missing @blakeyrat's point.
Here's a super-simple change that makes the UI less ambiguous:
That's literally all they needed to do.
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@ben_lubar or make an actual menu instead of being cool and edgy with their pretty minimalistic UI.
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@ben_lubar Or... You know...