Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit
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@blakeyrat you're also missing the prime example of bad design on the alarm screen, which is this pile of crap:
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@hungrier Yeah but oddly I figured out how to use that a lot quicker than the weird white circles which, AFAICT, appear nowhere else in Android.
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@blakeyrat said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Where do I go to point out bad designs without tons of rabid Android fans telling me I'm a wrong idiot?
Apple's support forum
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@timebandit said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@blakeyrat said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Where do I go to point out bad designs without tons of rabid Android fans telling me I'm a wrong idiot?
Apple's support forum
But you can always login as an admin and delete their comments if you go there when they call you a wrong idiot.
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@gwowen said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
This checkbox ☒ is marked with an "X".
X means no, or wrong, so I'm going to assume that means "not selected".It means that where you come from. Where I come from, people generally put a cross in a box to indicate it’s selected, not a weird, lopsidedly elongated V-shape. Windows 3.x got this right, at least.
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@hungrier Of course, on Samsung/TouchWiz, which I am assured is complete shit by the "pure Android" zealots, I get this:
Spinners for the time (or just touch the blue number to get a keypad), circles around selected days with selected days shown also at upper left, and a date picker in upper right to change to a one-off alarm on a particular date.
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@blakeyrat said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Except when you turn on repeat, the days appear with all of them having white circles. I'd assume turning on repeat would put me in a state with no days selected, so therefore the white circle would logically mean deselected. But that's not the case-- instead turning on repeat defaults to "repeat every day" (and the circles mean selected) which is surprising behavior to me.
I agree that switching to repeat mode shouldn't select everything. I think the selection(s) should have stayed as they were. However I wouldn't expect the indication of selected vs. unselected to change in that mode.
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@blakeyrat said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@hungrier Yeah but oddly I figured out how to use that a lot quicker than the weird white circles which, AFAICT, appear nowhere else in Android.
It seems like a common design paradigm for alarm apps. I use a different alarm app that does the same thing. It was more intuitive in that app since it didn't do weird automatic selection changes as you described.
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@hungrier said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@blakeyrat you're also missing the prime example of bad design on the alarm screen, which is this pile of crap:
I don't mind that. It's a bit weird but was easy to figure out.
What I really hate are the date/time spinners that don't let you alternatively edit the values with the keyboard. I don't mind the spinners if I can manually edit. Then you have a convenient UI for small changes and a not really convenient but not really bad UI for jumping from say :15 to :45.
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@mikehurley said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
I agree that switching to repeat mode shouldn't select everything. I think the selection(s) should have stayed as they were. However I wouldn't expect the indication of selected vs. unselected to change in that mode.
The days don't show up if repeat is off, so when you first turn it on for the alarm it defaults to "repeat every day" i.e. every day selected. If you deselect certain days and turn repeat off, the day selection disappears but it keeps your selection in memory, so if you turn repeat back on it'll still be whatever days you had selected before. I don't know if that selection persists, or if it disappears after you close the alarm editor. Manually deselecting all the days will turn off repeat, and turning it back on will give you the last day that you had left selected.
@mikehurley said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
It seems like a common design paradigm for alarm apps.
It's the standard Android time picker (as of a few versions ago, when they switched away from a HH:MM spinner), so other alarm apps are likely using that rather than making their own time picker component.
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@mikehurley said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
I don't mind that. It's a bit weird but was easy to figure out.
It sucks more with 24h clocks. I do wish that giving users options hadn't gone out of fashion, this would easily be fixed by some setting somewhere where you get to pick between dumb-spinny-thingy and just a text entry field.
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@hungrier said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Variant 1:
ERROR: Alignment is messy !!! (Yes, I've worked with people who could not see that. **TWITCH**)
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@hungrier said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@blakeyrat you're also missing the prime example of bad design on the alarm screen, which is this pile of crap:
That's way better than that damn spinner when selecting the minutes.
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@hungrier said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
you're also missing the prime example of bad design on the alarm screen, which is this pile of crap
It's better than when you're in 24-hour clock mode, where selecting times in the second half of the day like a lot of appointments are requires hitting a number on a second smaller ring of numbers inside the 1–12 that you can see there.
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My "favorite" part of the default android alarm is the apparent lack of ability to set a one-off alarm more than 24 hours before. You either need to remember on the day before, or need to disable repeat mode after. Such great usability.
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@mikehurley Not only is it easy to work out, but its also much much quicker to change an alarm from 06:00 to 06:30 than it is with the spinners. Spinners are just horrible if you need to move them a long way.
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@coderpatsy said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
My "favorite" part of the default android alarm is the apparent lack of ability to set a one-off alarm more than 24 hours before. You either need to remember on the day before, or need to disable repeat mode after. Such great usability.
Just checked on both my Android phones - what can I say, it works fine here.
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@sirtwist That's a bizarre mix of Times New Roman and Eurostile...
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@gwowen said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@coderpatsy said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
My "favorite" part of the default android alarm is the apparent lack of ability to set a one-off alarm more than 24 hours before. You either need to remember on the day before, or need to disable repeat mode after. Such great usability.
Just checked on both my Android phones - what can I say, it works fine here.
Well then if you have the same app as me and blakeyrat, how do you do that? How does one on a Thursday set an alarm to go off on Monday without setting it to go off every Monday?
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@coderpatsy said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Well then if you have the same app as me and blakeyrat, how do you do that? How does one on a Thursday set an alarm to go off on Monday without setting it to go off every Monday?
My alarm app looks subtley different from yours - its possible its not the default one. On mine, the "repeat - never" is permanently shown, even when day-of-the-week is not.
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@coderpatsy Unintuitively, You turn on Repeat mode, select only Monday, then turn Repeat mode off. It retains the "Monday" setting, but won't repeat after the single instance.
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@e4tmyl33t Repeat on:
Repeat off:
To check if it was a display thing, I set that same remembers-repeat-on-modays-but-repeat-is-currently-off alarm to go off in what would be 4 days 1 minute. It went off a minute later (give or take some seconds). So nope that doesn't work here.
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@coderpatsy Huh. You're correct, I misread the notice at the bottom when I tested it. TIL.
I would then suppose the options would be:
- Set it for Monday with Repeat mode on, then disable the alarm once it's gone off
- Set a Calendar reminder and set the Calendar notification tone to something suitably alarm-ish.
I am disappoint in this behavior.
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@gwowen said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@mikehurley Not only is it easy to work out, but its also much much quicker to change an alarm from 06:00 to 06:30 than it is with the spinners. Spinners are just horrible if you need to move them a long way.
Agreed. Although like I said earlier, the spinners aren't so bad (still not great) as long as you can also type the numbers. Some of those spinners let you click on one and type in the value.
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@coderpatsy said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@e4tmyl33t Repeat on:
Repeat off:
To check if it was a display thing, I set that same remembers-repeat-on-modays-but-repeat-is-currently-off alarm to go off in what would be 4 days 1 minute. It went off a minute later (give or take some seconds). So nope that doesn't work here.
I use Alarm Clock Xtreme (has ads, works well, whatever). Not sure why I didn't look for a built-in one. I'm able to make a far in the future alarm w/o enabling repeat.
Add Alarm > set time > select day(s) > Done
When I created one for Tuesday at 8AM it created it, turned it on, and displayed a message saying "4 days 18 hours and 25 minutes remaining".
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@coderpatsy said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Well then if you have the same app as me and blakeyrat, how do you do that? How does one on a Thursday set an alarm to go off on Monday without setting it to go off every Monday?
I think you just need to set another alarm up.
But, I mean, I don't think iOS or Windows Phone did that particular little thing any better. The saving grace is you can have however many alarms you want.
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They aren't stopping at the Photos app.
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@billhead Now this I will concede is retarded.
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@mikehurley said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Alarm Clock Xtreme
I used that for a long time, but then the built in alarm got the feature where it shows you about upcoming alarms for two hours and lets you pre emptively dismiss them. Does Xtreme have anything similar without a permanent "you have an alarm at some point in the future" notification?
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@billhead
That would make me hit the wall angry.
Pleased i am sticking with windows 10 mobile
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@hungrier Sony have a solution to that in their version of the Clock app...
@billhead said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
They aren't stopping at the Photos app.
I did get a thing up when I paid with Android Pay asking about that, but I don't recall getting a notificiation asking about it. I don't recall the Photobook option either.
Perhaps they don't like annoying Australians.
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@helix said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Pleased i am sticking with windows 10 mobile
Too bad Microsoft isn't!
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When did Google kill the ability to move apps to the SD card? Given how a lot of phones cheapen on the inner storage and rely on the buyer to spend on a SD card, this severely castrates the functionality of a lot of phones or tablets.
Used to like the "pure android experience" over the bloatware that phone makers love to put on their devices but this managed to convince me otherwise.
How many apps there actually allocate the files they generate onto the SD card? Spotify is a pain in the ass and web advice is to erase the whole app and its cache, install again and pray.
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@haloquadratum said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
When did Google kill the ability to move apps to the SD card?
They haven't?
Not all apps support it but ones that do should have the option in their app details screen from settings
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@haloquadratum said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
a lot of phones cheapen on the inner storage and rely on the buyer to spend on a SD card
If anything, many flagship phones (with Samsung being a notable exception) go the opposite way: no SD card slot, and if you want extra space you better upgrade to the $x00 more expensive 128 GB model.
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Ohh, I see. Nvm then, was fooled into this in other forum where some long time poster said it had been changed by security reasons and stopped searching but have confirmed now. Apparently some apps are too special snowflakes to be moved into the SD card but others can.
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@haloquadratum You may want to read my old rant on that very subject.
TLDR: apps can't be moved to SD unless the developer toggles the flag that says they can. And 70% of them don't.
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@jaloopa said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
@mikehurley said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Alarm Clock Xtreme
I used that for a long time, but then the built in alarm got the feature where it shows you about upcoming alarms for two hours and lets you pre emptively dismiss them. Does Xtreme have anything similar without a permanent "you have an alarm at some point in the future" notification?
No idea. You can shut off a one-off alarm with a toggle switch. You can also use a per-alarm menu item to dismiss the next one but keep the recurring series active.
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@billhead said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
They aren't stopping at the Photos app.
Yeah, got that yesterday. They do have fine-grained options in the Android Pay app, so I disabled all but "notify me if someone bought stuff with this" (since it probably wasn't me).
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@haloquadratum said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
Given how a lot of phones cheapen on the inner storage and rely on the buyer to spend on a SD card
That's been my experience with low-budget phones.
@hungrier said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
If anything, many flagship phones (with Samsung being a notable exception) go the opposite way: no SD card slot, and if you want extra space you better upgrade to the $x00 more expensive 128 GB model.
So that's the high end experience, then.
As for midrange phones, you get the best of both worlds: 32 or 64 GB of internal storage and up to 256 GB of Micro SD card storage.
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@lb_ I'm holding on to my OnePlus X until someone makes another 5" 1080p OLED phone with SD card support and at least as good specs as that one. And no camera bump.
I think I'm going to be waiting for a long time.
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I don't know if this is a stock-Android feature, but I know that my phone can format an SD card to the internal storage format, to bypass all SD card restrictions. If you remove it, shit breaks, but if you don't, you can have as large 'internal storage' as you like.
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@pie_flavor said in Blakeyrat complains about Android, because it's shit:
I don't know if this is a stock-Android feature, but I know that my phone can format an SD card to the internal storage format, to bypass all SD card restrictions. If you remove it, shit breaks, but if you don't, you can have as large 'internal storage' as you like.
It is a stock Android feature, however manufacturers can nerf it in their versions. Samsung have done it in theirs.
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@twelvebaud That's because I installed a serif system font but the spinners don't use it.
The spinners also have inertial scrolling, so it's not hard to scroll because you just give it a flick then fine-tune it after tapping to stop.
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@coderpatsy The Samsung alarm app does not have this problem. The "Date" in the upper right hand corner lets you choose the date for a one-off alarm.
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@sirtwist it's too bad the rest of the Samsung Android Experience is completely
awfulEnlightened.
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And then Motorola decided to get in on the action:
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My android tablet's wifi antena just gone to hell. Now it only connects when it's less than 5m of the router :-(
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@lb_ Yup I just got that one too.
The great thing is I paid Amazon a bit extra for the phone that said it wasn't ad-supported. Haha, good false advertising there, Amazon.
I guess they meant Amazon specifically won't show advertising, but Google and Motorora? All the fucking time. Fuck you, consumer.
It's elevating Android in my mind from "bad out-of-date software that's inexplicably popular" to "outright scam". So that's a little bonus.