Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?
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@hungrier said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:
The scary bit is people buying dodgy glycerin via ebay straight from china, which contains anything from the factory floor.
What agency exists to certify this kind of stuff?
Back when I was trying to buy a non-regulated medication (melatonin to help me sleep-- it didn't work worth shit BTW), it was virtually impossible to find out which brands were inspected by a neutral third party and which weren't.
Anyway point is it's not so cut-and-dried. Just yesterday news broke that Target, the giant US retailer, was selling fidget spinners with more than the allowed content of lead. If they can't figure it out, what chance does "random guy in his living room" have?
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@blakeyrat Mannings and Watsons are major medicine store in Hong Kong and both have regular sampled check on content of heavy metal and other substance in the drugs being sold. Maybe you'll want to find a shop offer this kind of verification.
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@blakeyrat said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:
If they can't figure it out
They can figure it out. That's why everyone gets so pissed at them when they get it wrong.
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@timebandit Well, I trust a laptop battery far more than I trust an e-cig battery
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@ashley_sheridan said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:
@timebandit Well, I trust a laptop battery far more than I trust an e-cig battery
Most e-cigs use a single (or a number of separate) 18650 batteries.
Most batteries today (including laptop batteries) just use multiple 18650 cells, connected in series and parallel as needed to give them the required voltage and capacity.
tl;dr; - pretty much everything except for phones today uses the same exact batteries.
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@ashley_sheridan said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:
@timebandit Well, I trust a laptop battery far more than I trust an e-cig battery
Airlines would like to disagree with you.
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@greybeard said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:
@ashley_sheridan The scary bit is people buying dodgy carpet via ebay straight from china, which contains
anything fromthe factory floor.FTFTF
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@blakeyrat said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:
selling fidget spinners with more than the allowed content of lead
The story I heard was "more than the allowed content of lead for children". The fidget manufacturer said they weren't intended for children, so those rules don't apply. (I haven't <heard/looked> for anything since then)
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@dcon Well ok but at the same time it's hard to imagine why there'd be any lead in something like a fidget spinner.
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@blakeyrat said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:
@dcon Well ok but at the same time it's hard to imagine why there'd be any lead in something like a fidget spinner.
Agreed. And my first thought when I heard the report was "if it's not safe for children, why would I want it..."
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@dcon I think the Chinese just add lead to make us dumber. #conspiracytheory
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@blakeyrat Weights in the outer arms for better spin stability.
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@blakeyrat said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:
@dcon Well ok but at the same time it's hard to imagine why there'd be any lead in something like a fidget spinner.
It's also a very hard standard to meet--there's lead in everything (including the air) in detectable quantities. The "for children" standard basically requires clean-room environments for manufacturing. The big toy companies have an in-text exemption--they only have to certify that they meet "sufficient standards." The little guys don't get that exemption.
This particular case is an example of a big company being hoist with their own petard--the big companies lobbied for this law because it would put their competitors (the little companies) out of business. Now it's being enforced against them if they slip up at all and they're crying.
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@onyx said in Electronic cigars in workplace - yay or nay?:
Most e-cigs use a single (or a number of separate) 18650 batteries.
That said, buying 18650s off eBay is a bit of a hit and miss. Same with the pen e-cigs.
And it depends on your particular equipment, but the safety features in e-cigs are generally somewhat lackluster. I haven't had a 18650 cell blow up, but I had it run hot on a charger, and I had a pocket full of smoke once when my mod forgot about cutting off power to the atomizer.
And then there are people running mechanical mods, which are equivalent to strapping a heating coil to a pair of 18650s with wire and a switch.
As far as battery safety goes, there's definitely room for improvement here. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the battery would be more likely to kill you than the actual vaping.
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@cheong The SDS for thinner identifies:
OSHA Hazards: Flammable liquid, Target Organ Effect, Irritant.
Target Organs: Liver, Kidney.That, alone, means you don't want to be regularly exposed to it in the long-term. LD50 measures acute toxicity, so it's not giving you the whole picture here.
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@anotherusername It's why I included the bit about the H- and P-statements. Because those do include long-term effect considerations.
Doesn't seem to have done the trick in his case.
Though I have to admit that I recently read that lung diseases from tobacco isn't the biggest killer, it's cardiovascular diseases where nicotine seems to play a rather large role. If that's true then vaping is only relatively more harmless.