Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!
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Yeah - that's not going to happen.
What is, judging from this "Internet Safety Strategy Consultation Survey" (hah! like they care what we think if it's not toeing the line)
is more tax, more laws and more governmental probing into others' private lives.
Feel free to waste 5 mins or so to fill it out, for them to ignore. Pass it around if you like..
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@pjh said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Yeah - that's not going to happen.
What is, judging from this "Internet Safety Strategy Consultation Survey" (hah! like they care what we think if it's not toeing the line)
is more tax, more laws and more governmental probing into others' private lives.
Feel free to waste 5 mins or so to fill it out, for them to ignore. Pass it around if you like..
OMG, they're talking like safe speech is equivalent to physical workplace safety.
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*Multiverse
Edit: Cyber-bullying, oh noes! It's almost like they can log off if they get offended, or just turn the bloody device off and go outside!
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@pjh Filled that in, thanks for the heads up. Thoese questions weren't compiled by an idiot with an agenda at all.
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@boner said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@pjh Filled that in, thanks for the heads up. Thoese questions weren't compiled by an idiot with an agenda at all.
For the levy question
NO
Why?
Individuals are responsible for their own engagement with social media, and to determine which sites provide the protections they want.
What should the levy pay for
Nothing
Who should be allowed to pay the levy
Other: No levy (you idiot)
Why did you answer this way?
There's no need for government to tax social media to tell social media how to operate.
If you want to provide consultation, then charge for the voluntary service.
You want people to want your help, because then your help has to be effective.
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Have you received online abuse
Yes
How often
Daily
Has it stopped
No
What for
Ethnicity, Gender, Religion, Political views.
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Per day? Week? Month? Perhaps we should privatise survey taking...
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- have you heard of them?Mission creep, anyone?
"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear..."
Inppropriate? Meanwhile, regarding ursine toiletry habits and the religious affiliations of the pope...
And as for harmful...
Though I suppose this latest power-grab by government could be considered harmful.
"Misandry" is curiously missing...
This interstitial appears far too often (6 times the 2nd time I filled it out) - it's almost as if they don't want people completing it.
Perhaps they could educate themselves instead of getting the government to hand-hold them and babysit them?
"None of the above" conspicuously missing. (Though you can submit without checking any of them.)
Get your hands out of my wallet. Again.
When government (both local and national) can demonstrate competency at collecting bins, clearing streets and filling potholes, I'll consider the merits of centralisation.
Until then... - oi! I said get your hands out of my wallet!
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again. Mission creep, again.Can they fit that in, between not teaching them maths and English?
Please swipe your credit card before viewing your porn.
You pervert.
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@pjh said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
This interstitial appears far too often (6 times the 2nd time I filled it out) - it's almost as if they don't want people completing it.
They don't want to lose survey results due to fatigue.
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@pjh said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Get your hands out of my wallet. Again.
Yeah, I was frustrated.
They ask me if I want a levy, I say no, then they ask me how to use the levy.
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
They don't want to lose survey results due to fatigue.
It's not as if it was that long, or it didn't feel that long.
Or at least it wouldn't if they didn't have those interstitials...
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@pjh said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
They don't want to lose survey results due to fatigue.
It's not as if it was that long, or it didn't feel that long.
Or at least it wouldn't if they didn't have those interstitials...
I lost connectivity halfway through.
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Overall, it makes me glad I sent an inch-thick stack of paper headed by a form "Demande d'acquisition de la nationalité française" to the prefecture a couple of months ago.(1)(2)
(1) Editor's note: the French word-family centred on and derived from the verb demander has little or nothing to do with the English word-family based on the verb "to demand". Demander means "to ask", so the form is a "request" not a "demand".
(2) French bureaucracy being what it is, I don't expect to have even an acknowledgement that they have received the documents and opened a dossier for at least another six weeks. Yes, I had the thing from La Poste saying that the papers had been delivered, but that's all.
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Have you received online abuse
Yes
How often
Daily
Has it stopped
No
What for
Ethnicity, Gender, Religion, Political views.
TDers at our best!
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@pjh All I get is a page with a spinning half-circle. Inspecting the page gives me:
Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (HTTP/2.0 404) https://dcms.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/require.min.js.map
and clicking that link tells me that it’s:
Not Found
Wonderful survey.
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The funny thing, is that this whole survey seems to assume that Britain is entitled to access social media, because it assumes that Facebook has to care who is accessing the site and where they are accessing it from.
Seriously, facebook is free to respond to this by blocking them from accessing their site.
But, even if they do, are they responsible for a British citizen using some backdoor method to get to the site?
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@gurth said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@pjh All I get is a page with a spinning half-circle
Just tried from a different computer on a different network (pub, yay!) and it's still working for me...
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@gurth said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@pjh All I get is a page with a spinning half-circle. Inspecting the page gives me:
Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (HTTP/2.0 404) https://dcms.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/require.min.js.map
and clicking that link tells me that it’s:
Not Found
Wonderful survey.
Oh yeah, it doesn't bother telling you it didn't get anything. It just lets you think it's going to finish some time soon.
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@slackerd said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
*Multiverse
Edit: Cyber-bullying, oh noes! It's almost like they can log off if they get offended, or just turn the bloody device off and go outside!
A lot of cyberbullying is not the bullies talking to the victim, but about the victim. You can stop viewing a video of yourself being forced to do something embarrassing, but you can't stop everyone else from viewing it.
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Seriously, facebook is free to respond to this by blocking them from accessing their site
That's what I was rooting for Google to do when Canada told Google to take down search results not only in Canada, but for the entirety of Google.
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@pie_flavor said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@slackerd said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
*Multiverse
Edit: Cyber-bullying, oh noes! It's almost like they can log off if they get offended, or just turn the bloody device off and go outside!
A lot of cyberbullying is not the bullies talking to the victim, but about the victim. You can stop viewing a video of yourself being forced to do something embarrassing, but you can't stop everyone else from viewing it.
Fair enough. I haven't experienced that much myself.
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@pjh said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Yeah - that's not going to happen.
You know, for as much as the left loves to joke about how you can't say anything bad about "Dear Leader". You actually can. Having a bully for a President isn't how you get your free speech taken away.
No, it's measure like this that result in not being able to say bad things about government/politicians/etc.
So, even if I'm wrong and Trump is successful in establishing some law that makes it illegal to talk bad about Trump, liberals are no better than conservatives in that regard.
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
No, it's measure like this that result in not being able to say bad things about government/politicians/etc.
See else-thread about how the UK government is going to make reading stuff illegal.
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@pjh said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Just tried from a different computer on a different network (pub, yay!) and it's still working for me...
I tried a different browser just now, and then the spinning circle goes away after half a second or so, to be replaced by an introduction page. The odd thing is that the browser I tried first is Safari, the other is Chrome, which shouldn’t differ overly much in their ability to render the page, I’d think.
Oh, and:
Matt Hancock MP
Minister for DigitalDigital what?
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@gurth said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Oh, and:
Matt Hancock MP
Minister for DigitalDigital what?
Penetration.
Oh, sorry; wrong MP named Hancock.
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And for those wondering, no that isn't a typo on the form - that is, in fact, the full job title:
Responsibilities include:
- broadband and mobile connectivity
- broadcasting
- creative industries
- cyber security
- data
- Digital Charter
- digital economy
- digital skills and inclusion
- digital technology
- internet governance
- media
- online safety
- spectrum
- telecoms markets and resilience
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@pjh said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
spectrum
16k, 48k or 128k?
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@dkf said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@pjh said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
spectrum
16k, 48k or 128k?
I think he's supposed to look after rainbows or something. The rest of the list is just as nebulous - e.g. wtf do they mean by "data?"
Also, why is "broadcasting" there when we already have the Ministry of Fun looking after it?
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@dkf said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@pjh said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
spectrum
16k, 48k or 128k?
They just misspelled spectre
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@dkf said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@pjh said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
spectrum
16k, 48k or 128k?
What about the +2, +2A and +3?
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
You know, for as much as the left loves to joke about how you can't say anything bad about "Dear Leader". You actually can. Having a bully for a President isn't how you get your free speech taken away.
No, it's measure like this that result in not being able to say bad things about government/politicians/etc.
So, even if I'm wrong and Trump is successful in establishing some law that makes it illegal to talk bad about Trump,liberalsconservatives are no better thanconservativesfacists in that regard.'liberal' doesn't mean 'people I don't like'
This attempt to regulate and tax social media is not, by any stretch, a liberal measure. It's a reactionary step by a Conservative government, pandering to a minority of their right-wing supporters who are ignorant and scared of anything that didn't exist when they were young.
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@pjh said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
And for those wondering, no that isn't a typo on the form - that is, in fact, the full job title:
They could call it "Minister for Digital Doodads" and it'd make more sense (and be more grammatically correct) than "Minister for Digital".
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@japonicus said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
'liberal' doesn't mean 'people I don't like'
This attempt to regulate and tax social media is not, by any stretch, a liberal measure. It's a reactionary step by a Conservative government, pandering to a minority of their right-wing supports who are ignorant and scared of anything that didn't exist when they were young.Did you actually read it?
It's about forcing social media to police their content so no one gets offended by what they call "bullying". If you don't think that includes "trolling" or "disagreeing", I have an island to sell you.
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@gurth said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Oh, and:
Matt Hancock MP
Minister for DigitalDigital what?
I am involved with an organization that has a sub-organization of "This, That and Creative." Creative ... what? "Creative" is an adjective; it needs a noun to modify. The is no definite article (the Creative) that would cause it to become substantive.
Edit: Why isn't that inner quote expandable? NodeBB!!! Well, it's there in the raw, anyway.
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@japonicus said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
'liberal' doesn't mean 'people I don't like'
This attempt to regulate and tax social media is not, by any stretch, a liberal measure. It's a reactionary step by a Conservative government, pandering to a minority of their right-wing supports who are ignorant and scared of anything that didn't exist when they were young.Did you actually read it?
It's about forcing social media to police their content so no one gets offended by what they call "bullying". If you don't think that includes "trolling" or "disagreeing", I have an island to sell you.
Yes I read it and I agree with you that it's crap, but it's a conspiracy by a conservative government - whereas for some reason you're using this as a pretext to bash 'liberals'.
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@japonicus said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@japonicus said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
'liberal' doesn't mean 'people I don't like'
This attempt to regulate and tax social media is not, by any stretch, a liberal measure. It's a reactionary step by a Conservative government, pandering to a minority of their right-wing supports who are ignorant and scared of anything that didn't exist when they were young.Did you actually read it?
It's about forcing social media to police their content so no one gets offended by what they call "bullying". If you don't think that includes "trolling" or "disagreeing", I have an island to sell you.
Yes I read it and I agree with you that it's crap, but it's a conspiracy by a conservative government - whereas for some reason you're using this as a pretext to bash 'liberals'.
Ok, ok.
Let's call it a progressive measure. Regardless of where the individuals suggesting it stand on other issues.
Progressives are not exactly and always liberals, but they tend to be in the US.
Conservatives in the US would just tell their children to go ahead and punch the clown.
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Progressives are not exactly and always liberals, but they tend to be in the US.
But in the US, conservatives are liberals.
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@magus said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Progressives are not exactly and always liberals, but they tend to be in the US.
But in the US, conservatives are liberals.
:/
Whichever...
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@gurth said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Matt Hancock MP
Minister for DigitalDigital what?
Just general digitalness. Basically the concept that everything the Government does should be done with computers and as far as possible citizens should interact with it over the internet. It's a big sort of policy thing. Also a sort of collective of all the groups within Government organisations that are working on that stuff (which includes me).
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@carrievs said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Just general digitalness. Basically the concept that everything the Government does should be done with computers and as far as possible citizens should interact with it over the internet. It's a big sort of policy thing. Also a sort of collective of all the groups within Government organisations that are working on that stuff (which includes me).
That's the Minister for Digitalisation. Try again.
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@pleegwat I'm not defending it being called that. I'm just saying what it actually is.
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@steve_the_cynic said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Overall, it makes me glad I [requested French nationality]
Have you seen the latest "anti-terror" law? The one that basically take everything that was in the emergency state decrees (i.e. stuff that should be exceptional and only applied in exceptional circumstances, for a short period of time) and put them in the everyday laws?
It's been a long time since the "personal liberties" ship has sailed in France...
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@remi said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@steve_the_cynic said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Overall, it makes me glad I [requested French nationality]
Have you seen the latest "anti-terror" law? The one that basically take everything that was in the emergency state decrees (i.e. stuff that should be exceptional and only applied in exceptional circumstances, for a short period of time) and put them in the everyday laws?
It's been a long time since the "personal liberties" ship has sailed in France...
For sure it's not ideal, but where exactly would you suggest as an alternative?
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@steve_the_cynic said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
For sure it's not ideal, but where exactly would you suggest as an alternative?
Alderaan looks a pretty good compromise, if you can get there early enough. Seemed like a nice place, and you probably won't suffer a bit when the inevitable happens.
Nothing closer to suggest though. I'm just making sure you know what you are picking, but given your pseudo, I guess you're covered.
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@remi said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@steve_the_cynic said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
For sure it's not ideal, but where exactly would you suggest as an alternative?
Alderaan looks a pretty good compromise, if you can get there early enough. Seemed like a nice place, and you probably won't suffer a bit when the inevitable happens.
Nothing closer to suggest though. I'm just making sure you know what you are picking, but given your pseudo, I guess you're covered.
I've lived there for eight years now, so no worries.
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@steve_the_cynic said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
I've lived there for eight years now, so no worries.
If you're familiar enough with the system to be able to navigate the administration in the way you are, I guess there is little chance you don't know where you're going!
(btw, did you know that there is also in France a "certificat de vie", whereby the administration certificates that you are not dead? It does make some kind of sense, but this is still a funny idea...)
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@remi said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
btw, did you know that there is also in France a "certificat de vie", whereby the administration certificates that you are not dead?
I didn't.
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@khudzlin I think its main purpose is e.g. to avoid someone claiming the pension of someone else who's already dead, which makes sense (your savings and pension funds would transfer to your heirs at your death, but not whatever you're entitled to for the state pension -- at least, not the full amount -- and the pension administration cannot track death certificates of everyone, so there would be a possible scam here).
But when someone tells you, while talking to you, that you have to prove that you are not dead, it makes for funny discussions.
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@xaade While vim and emacs still exist there will always be religious abuse on the internet.
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I remember when the government tried to do something similar in my country (Poland) called "ACTA".
People went insane
https://i.imgur.com/ZOE53.jpgSo they dropped the idea.