High-tech building + no smoking = ...
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@tster said:
@fatdog said:
He's the only one in this stupid thread that has actually backed up his statements with facts.
False.Ya, at least you backed that up with some quotes. Thanks.
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@DOA said:
...and yet I'm not. So that was completely pointless.
Well, then you're probably ugly or have an obnoxious voice or laugh. The point is, there is probably something about you that would irritate someone else, but part of being a grown up (as opposed to a crybaby bitch) is just accepting that other people exist in the world and are going to do things you don't like. They are not directly causing tangible harm to you, so shut the fuck up already.
@DOA said:
If you really want me to point out how stupid this comparison is, let me know.
How so? Some people toss out food wrappers, some cigarette butts. Nobody tries to make the argument that people should not be permitted by buy food, though, because that is clearly stupid. Instead they blame the people who litter, no matter what the source of the trash.
@DOA said:
Yes, let's pay taxes to accomodate your addiction.
Then don't, we'll just throw them on the ground. Oh, and get rid of public trashcans, too, because we're just paying taxes to accommodate people who end up with garbage in public. Public restrooms get cut, too, because we're just accommodating people with small bladders or irritable bowels. Given you whiny attitude, you probably fall into the latter group.
@DOA said:
Are you trying to prove you're an asshole?
I know I'm an asshole, I don't have to prove anything. Being an asshole isn't a crime and it's quite enjoyable to get under the skin of uptight vaginas like yourself.
@DOA said:
I could argue about the rights non-smokers have, but let's just give you this one to avoid opening that entire subject.
By even mentioning it, you brought it up. Non-smokers have the same rights as smokers: to be left alone. They do not have the right to live in a bubble isolated from human contact they find undesirable.
Also, what you've said is "I'm a crybaby who can't stand that someone else might smoke in public and that I might see it and smell it". That's not twisted in my mind in anyway, it's your argument when all the bloviating self-righteousness is stripped away from your "argument". And I would gladly take advantage of the opportunity to legally bruise the skull of someone who lives by such a credo.
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It's like... I write it and it shows up on the forum, but then it gets lost somewhere on the way...@morbiuswilters said:
Well, then you're probably ugly or have an obnoxious voice or laugh. The point is, there is probably something about you that would irritate someone else, but part of being a grown up (as opposed to a crybaby bitch) is just accepting that other people exist in the world and are going to do things you don't like. They are not directly causing tangible harm to you, so shut the fuck up already.
Like I said... doesn't make you right, just means you're not the only asshole.@morbiuswilters said:How so? Some people toss out food wrappers, some cigarette butts. Nobody tries to make the argument that people should not be permitted by buy food, though, because that is clearly stupid. Instead they blame the people who litter, no matter what the source of the trash.
Again... doesn't make you right, just means you're not the only asshole.@morbiuswilters said:Then don't, we'll just throw them on the ground. Oh, and get rid of public trashcans, too, because we're just paying taxes to accommodate people who end up with garbage in public. Public restrooms get cut, too, because we're just accommodating people with small bladders or irritable bowels. Given you whiny attitude, you probably fall into the latter group.
Again... doesn't make... jesus, are you ever gonna stop babbling about what other people are doing and just face the fact that you're an asshole for paving the world with trash?@morbiuswilters said:I know I'm an asshole, I don't have to prove anything.
Seeing as we both agree, how about you shut the fuck up already.
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@DOA said:
Like I said... doesn't make you right, just means you're not the only asshole.
This has no relevancy to what I stated. Please learn how to read.
@DOA said:
Again... doesn't make you right, just means you're not the only asshole.
Once again, you're saying nothing of substance. People who litter are the problem, not the things they litter with. Banning food to get rid of food litter is just as stupid as banning cigarettes to get rid of cigarette litter. Please learn how to reason.
@DOA said:
Again... doesn't make... jesus, are you ever gonna stop babbling about what other people are doing and just face the fact that you're an asshole for paving the world with trash?
You're really not listening, are you? The only time I "pave the world with trash" is when there is no suitable receptacle nearby or when it would provide the opportunity to humorously burn or maim a self-righteous whiner like yourself. I am doing God's work.
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@Decker97 said:
@tster said:
@fatdog said:
He's the only one in this stupid thread that has actually backed up his statements with facts.
False.Ya, at least you backed that up with some quotes. Thanks.
At first I thought you were serious, then I saw the tags. Anyways, if anyone actually is thinking that, I purposely didn't provide any evidence as a joke (although my earlier posts in this thread were making the exact argument that people weren't posting any evidence or support for their assertions, so I thought I just wanted to point out that he wasn't the only one providing evidence, and it wasn't the first time that it was pointed out that people were not backing up their claims.
PS. My name is not short for "tester", it's short for T-ster ;)
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@morbiuswilters said:
@DOA said:
How about I rephrase it for you... quit telling me what other people do in order to justify what you do. And try taking your own advice and learn how to read.@morbiuswilters said:Like I said... doesn't make you right, just means you're not the only asshole.
This has no relevancy to what I stated. Please learn how to read.@DOA said:
Again let me rephrase.... quit telling me what other people do and take responsibility for your own actions. This is specifically about smoking. Trying to argue about all the things that are wrong with the world is what we call "derailing the thread". @morbiuswilters said:Again... doesn't make you right, just means you're not the only asshole.
Once again, you're saying nothing of substance. People who litter are the problem, not the things they litter with. Banning food to get rid of food litter is just as stupid as banning cigarettes to get rid of cigarette litter. Please learn how to reason.You're really not listening, are you? The only time I "pave the world with trash" is when there is no suitable receptacle nearby or when it would provide the opportunity to humorously burn or maim a self-righteous whiner like yourself. I am doing God's work.
I love this one... not my fault I throw my trash everywhere... it's somebody else's fault for not placing a suitable receptacle nearby. Do you read what you write before you post it?
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@DOA said:
try taking your own advice and learn how to read
And I would suggest you take your own advice and stfu.
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@belgariontheking said:
@DOA said:
Oh, good, the one-sentence ADD gimp is back. Don't you have some pollution to inhale?try taking your own advice and learn how to read
And I would suggest you take your own advice and stfu.
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@DOA said:
Oh look. The guy who constantly spouts nonsense is still here. Don't you have some STFUing to do? Stick a tailpipe down your throat. That'll help you STFU real good.@belgariontheking said:
@DOA said:
Oh, good, the one-sentence ADD gimp is back. Don't you have some pollution to inhale?try taking your own advice and learn how to read
And I would suggest you take your own advice and stfu.For the record, I don't smoke. I used to, but I gave it up, and I'm glad I gave it up.
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@DOA said:
How about I rephrase it for you... quit telling me what other people do in order to justify what you do. And try taking your own advice and learn how to read.
You are making the argument that smokers impose unfairly on other people. I am poking holes in that reasoning by pointing out that none of the issues you have brought up are inherent to smoking or smokers. Your complaint is with litterers, not with smokers. Thus, your reasoning is flawed and your point invalid.
@DOA said:
I love this one... not my fault I throw my trash everywhere... it's somebody else's fault for not placing a suitable receptacle nearby. Do you read what you write before you post it?
I'm not trying to justify my own actions, just point out the absurdity of your reasoning. I throw cigarette butts down sometimes and I'm fine with that and don't need to justify myself to you. However, your argument that smoking is a problem for society because of the litter ignores individual responsibility for littering. When you consider the example of people who litter with food wrappers, the hole in your argument becomes evident.
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@morbiuswilters said:
Dust & crud doesn't even reach the lungs because of a bunch of hair-sized things in the respiratory system called cilia, which serve as a filter, grabbing debris from the air and pushing it towards the nostrils, or to the digestive system. However, when you smoke, some of the stuff you take in paralyzes the cilia, which means tar goes all the way down to your lungs. As far as I remember, once anything reaches the alveole levels of your lungs, it won't come out without any kind of medical help.@danixdefcon5 said:
Tar will stick to your lungs forever, be it a low dosage or not.
No it doesn't. Holy fuck, are you this stupid? If that were the case, dust and crud would accumulate in your lungs until you just choked to death.
That said, I don't think a low dosage will have the cilia-paralyzing effect it has with the actual smoker.
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@danixdefcon5 said:
Dust & crud doesn't even reach the lungs because of a bunch of hair-sized things in the respiratory system called cilia, which serve as a filter, grabbing debris from the air and pushing it towards the nostrils, or to the digestive system. However, when you smoke, some of the stuff you take in paralyzes the cilia, which means tar goes all the way down to your lungs. As far as I remember, once anything reaches the alveole levels of your lungs, it won't come out without any kind of medical help.
That said, I don't think a low dosage will have the cilia-paralyzing effect it has with the actual smoker.
You're a tiny bit right about the function cilia and nicotine's paralyzing effect, but that's all. Tar will eventually be eliminated from the lungs, but tar really isn't your biggest concern. "Tar" is really just a catch-all term for whatever makes it into the smoker's lungs. Cancer is caused by damage to the DNA resulting from exposure to carcinogens in this "tar". However, the biggest cause of lung cancer in smokers is almost certainly radioactive compounds such as polonium, which exist in minute quantities in "tar". These radioactive compounds eventually exit the body (as does anything that enters the lungs), which is why smokers have a much higher rate of bladder cancer as well. Anyway, most of the "tar" tends to build up in bronchial passages and never even gets to the alveoli. This is why most lung cancer in smokers is of a particular variety (non-small cell squamous carcinomas) because it develops further up in the respiratory tract.
Ten percent of people who are diagnosed with lung cancer never smoked in their lives. Most develop lung cancer resulting from exposure to radon or asbestos.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@DOA said:
Smokers (partially or single-handedly) do cause all the problems I mentioned in this thread. Therefore they are evil. Now you can go on and on about other groups, but no matter how many times you repeat "Others do it as well, why are you looking at me?", it doesn't alleviate your responsibility. @morbiuswilters said:How about I rephrase it for you... quit telling me what other people do in order to justify what you do. And try taking your own advice and learn how to read.
You are making the argument that smokers impose unfairly on other people. I am poking holes in that reasoning by pointing out that none of the issues you have brought up are inherent to smoking or smokers. Your complaint is with litterers, not with smokers. Thus, your reasoning is flawed and your point invalid.I throw cigarette butts down sometimes and I'm fine with that and don't need to justify myself to you. However, your argument that smoking is a problem for society because of the litter ignores individual responsibility for littering. When you consider the example of people who litter with food wrappers, the hole in your argument becomes evident.
Like I said above.
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@DOA said:
Smokers (partially or single-handedly) do cause all the problems I mentioned in this thread.
What the fuck? Are you unable to read? They absolutely do not cause the problems you are whining about. If a smoker litters that does not mean all smokers litter. Please learn to be rational.
@DOA said:
Therefore they are evil.
HA HA HA HA HA!! Okay, you had me going for a bit. I thought you were serious, but now I realize you're just cleverly mocking the dipshits who think smokers are bad. Bravo, sir!
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@morbiuswilters said:
If a smoker litters that does not mean all smokers litter. Please learn to be rational.
If any quantity of a class of people litter, getting rid of them can only be a good thing.
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@Farmer Brown said:
If any quantity of a class of people litter, getting rid of them can only be a good thing.
Finally somebody started talking about OOP principles instead of this nonsensical flamewar between smokers and non-smokers. Always mind however that calling the destructor of the CSmoker class will also call the destructor of CPerson and therefore cleans up all garbage that CSmokers inherit from CPersons
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@bjolling said:
@Farmer Brown said:
If any quantity of a class of people litter, getting rid of them can only be a good thing.
Finally somebody started talking about OOP principles instead of this nonsensical flamewar between smokers and non-smokers. Always mind however that calling the destructor of the CSmoker class will also call the destructor of CPerson and therefore cleans up all garbage that CSmokers inherit from CPersons
It sure seems like these filthy smokers think there is some kind of garbage collector following them around, doesn't it?
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@Farmer Brown said:
It sure seems like these filthy smokers think there is some kind of garbage collector following them around, doesn't it?
Says the fattie who leaves a trail of crumbs and food wrappers everywhere he goes...
Also, seriously, when are the mods going to get off their asses and ban MPS again? He's just spamming up the forums and ruining it like the bad old days.
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@Farmer Brown said:
It sure seems like these filthy smokers think there is some kind of garbage collector following them around, doesn't it?
<mumbles>In my days I had to delete []] m_arrSmokers; myself. Damn kids with their silly high-level languages and garbage collectors and stuff...</mumbles>
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Farmer Brown said:
It sure seems like these filthy smokers think there is some kind of garbage collector following them around, doesn't it?
Says the fattie who leaves a trail of crumbs and food wrappers everywhere he goes...
Also, seriously, when are the mods going to get off their asses and ban MPS again? He's just spamming up the forums and ruining it like the bad old days.
This thread is direct proof that the mods are on vacation.
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@bjolling said:
<mumbles>In my days I had to delete [] m_arrSmokers; myself. Damn kids with their silly high-level languages and garbage collectors and stuff...</mumbles>
Who would have ever thought all these fancy GC languages would result in cigarette butts littered all over?
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@tster said:
This thread is direct proof that the mods are on vacation.
Indeed, f*ck smokers and non-smoker alike. I thought these forums where about code related WTF's.
Now, back on-topic to OOP and GC
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@bjolling said:
Indeed, f*ck smokers and non-smoker alike. I thought these forums where about code related WTF's.
Now, back on-topic to OOP and GC
Only certain people are allowed to troll and speak off topic here. Didn't you read the FAQ??
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thisThread.Abort("I'm in ur base smokin' ur d00dz")
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new ThreadAbortException("Cigarette butt discarded on sidewalk.");
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morbius give it up
clown
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@Farmer Brown said:
@jeffg said:
morbius give it up clown
Amen.Ahh, the two biggest retards in one place. You two stay right there while we ready the bombs.
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morbius, please.
stop.
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@jeffg said:
morbius, please. stop.
Why do you keep posting and dredging this thread back up, you retarded piece of shit? I stopped caring quite awhile ago and it's been nothing but me making fun of DOA's inability to understand a reasonable argument or engage in rational debate with some trolling by you and MPS. Just let this thread die, dumbfuck.
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quit it morbius
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Wow...what a turd:
As Steve Sailer noted:
But, it’s probably the funniest building in America’s funniest city. I call it the The Japanese Robot from Outer Space Trying to Burn Down the Cathedral with It’s [sic] Flamethrower high school:
It's right across the freeway from the LA Cathedral:
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Pretty poor throlling by Morbs. 2/11. Stopped reading.
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@Digitalbath said in High-tech building + no smoking = ...:
@Zagyg said:
I sympathise. We recently had an ill-considered memo from estates stating that "smoking within 10 feet of the building invalidates our insurance" and requesting (nay, demanding) smokers move at least this far away.
Out back, you have to climb over a 7' wall to get that far away. Out front (the high street incidently where the smoking public are passing by every minute - less than 10' away) you have to stand in a 4' gap between a cycle lane and a pond. The nearest sheltered area is about 200 yards away, under a road bridge. Nice.
Fortunately I've nearly quit, but this sort of shit isn't going to make me more likely to, it's just going to piss me off.
I guess I'm ignorant on smoking with regards to insurance, but I'm curious as to why smoking within 10 feet of the building would invalidate your insurance? Is it just a fire hazard thing? </SeriousQuestion>
Not really sensible. Probably more of a PR thing. Yes, there's a tiny percentage of (1/6000) who get lung cancer from second smoke, but that's only trapped in a room with people smoking many hours every day for many years. It's absurd to think that someone catching a whiff of smoke smell as they walk up to the building is going to be harmed by it.
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@jinpa in that particular vein I think I'm realistically more at risk of catching something from vaping second hand than I am second hand cigarette smoke.
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@hungrier said in High-tech building + no smoking = ...:
You mean it is actually a Cybertruck Garage?
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Ah... this thread reminds me of why I used to lurk rather than post. So much vitriol, aimed very personally. Having the Garage around really does make this place more civil. That, and Morbs having fucked off.
And yeah, Morbs performed poorly on this one. Were the arguments deliberately bad for trolling purposes?
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