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  • @bstorer said:

    @Nightshift said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

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    Congratulations on being the first new poster not to wind up immediately on morb's hate list.

    You know, it's because of this attitude that you are still on my hate list. 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Jesus primarily ministered to the poor, sick, downtrodden and sinful and he spoke truth to power by rejecting the authority of the Roman Empire.
     

    Jesus felt it was his duty to consort with whores and prostitutes.  I guess there's a little Jesus in all of us then.



  • @Soviut said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    Jesus primarily ministered to the poor, sick, downtrodden and sinful and he spoke truth to power by rejecting the authority of the Roman Empire.
     

    Jesus felt it was his duty to consort with whores and prostitutes.  I guess there's a little Jesus in all of us then.

    If Jesus consorted with ladies of ill-repute, then I'm not sure I want any amount of Jesus in me; it sounds quite unsanitary.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    If Jesus consorted with ladies of ill-repute,
     And tax collectors.  Don't forget the tax collectors.



  • Religion flamewars are fun, but I think you all have missed the point here.

    The site that stole jdavidbakr's layout was not a church website, but some trucking company.

    The site that jdavidbakr did the layout FOR was a church.

    The church (jdavidbakr's employer) doesn't want to have goatse plastered all over its site.

    It has nothing to do with "letting the church off easy," because it's not the church that's escaping getting goatse'd. It's the trucking company that would suddenly find its home page covered in pictures of a man's distended anus.

    It's really all about not wanting to get fired by the church...



  • @Fred Foobar said:

    Religion flamewars are fun, but I think you all have missed the point here.

    The site that stole jdavidbakr's layout was not a church website, but some trucking company.

    The site that jdavidbakr did the layout FOR was a church.

    The church (jdavidbakr's employer) doesn't want to have goatse plastered all over its site.

    It has nothing to do with "letting the church off easy," because it's not the church that's escaping getting goatse'd. It's the trucking company that would suddenly find its home page covered in pictures of a man's distended anus.

    It's really all about not wanting to get fired by the church...

     

    If Jesus can't take a joke, I don't want to go to Heaven.



  • @amischiefr said:

    If Jesus can't take a joke, I don't want to go to Heaven.

    Was this seriously ever a possibility anyway? 



  • @amischiefr said:

    If Jesus can't take a joke, I don't want to go to Heaven.

    Again, this isn't what it's about at all.  It's about human perceptions and not "being right with Jesus"

    Also, what morbius said.  You're going to hell, heathen.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Was this seriously ever a possibility anyway? 

    No, but I can dream.

     

    @belgariontheking said:

    Again, this isn't what it's about at all.  It's about human perceptions and not "being right with Jesus"

    Also, what morbius said.  You're going to hell, heathen.

     

     My perception is that Jesus needs to lighten up a bit.  I'll go to hell when I'm good and ready thank you!



  •  The "No Hotlinking" backgound still shows up on some pages.  Which makes me wonder:

    !. They never look at their own web site

    or 

    2.  They don't know what hot linking is and don't care 



  • @PhillS said:

    @stewieatb said:

    The basis of christianity maybe a little shaky (the more fantastical stuff is a WTF of its own) but Jesus was probably a genuinely wise person, who had some good things to say. Just not the son of god.

    I'm sorry, but that's just begging for a C.S. Lewis quote. Strangely enough I came across this quote earlier today in an article I was reading:

    <FONT size=+0><FONT class=f color=#222222 size=2>I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: 'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic -- on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg -- or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. - Mere Christianity
    </FONT></FONT>

    That logic is flawed: it could be that Jesus never claimed that and the gospel writers put that in the Bible for some reason to support their own beliefs.  Or Jesus never actually existed.



  • @samanddeanus said:

    it could be that Jesus never claimed that and the gospel writers put that in the Bible for some reason to support their own beliefs.
    You mean the guys who were martyred rather than announce their beliefs?  If Jesus never claimed such a thing, no one would have died for holding such a belief.@samanddeanus said:
    Or Jesus never actually existed.
    Ahh, the "Christ Myth" idea.  I rather like this quote on the topic:

    From the perspective of serious historians, the Christ myth is precisely that [a crackpot view]. It is a ‘staggering mistake’ and ‘no small error’—equivalent to someone believing, despite the evidence, that the width of North America from one coast to the other is only three centimeters, and that the continent itself is made of burnt toffee.
    (from here)

     



  • @Eternal Density said:

    From the perspective of serious historians, the Christ myth is precisely that [a crackpot view]. It is a ‘staggering mistake’ and ‘no small error’—equivalent to someone believing, despite the evidence, that the width of North America from one coast to the other is only three centimeters, and that the continent itself is made of burnt toffee.
    (from here)

    Citing a Creationist Website: -100 milliDarwins



  • @Eternal Density said:

    You mean the guys who were martyred rather than announce their beliefs? 
    I think you would find that it was announcing their beliefs which got them martyred.



  • @samanddeanus said:

    That logic is flawed: it could be that Jesus never claimed that and the gospel writers put that in the Bible for some reason to support their own beliefs.  Or Jesus never actually existed.

     

    I wondered if / when someone was going to pick up on that. Obviously the logic assumes that the gospels are true and accurate (although if you take that to be true I think what C.S. Lewis says still holds). Whether you take that to be true or not, well - I think there's enough evidence.

    @morbiuswilters said:

    Citing a Creationist Website: -100 milliDarwins

    I am not a creationist, but the article itself seemed pretty sound. (I don't believe creationists are wrong about everything, just their views on evolution). They linked here which looks a little more scholarly and, as far as I can tell, not creationist.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    Citing a Creationist Website: -100 milliDarwins
    And I was already subzero for having a darwinfilm.com sticker on my car AND having an alienintrusion.com one.

     It's kinda funny to imagine that belief that Jesus is God is based on an error which was accidentally preserved.  But it does fit with the common idea that religion has evolved...



  • @Eternal Density said:

    @morbiuswilters said:

    Citing a Creationist Website: -100 milliDarwins
    And I was already subzero for having a darwinfilm.com sticker on my car AND having an alienintrusion.com one.

    It's kinda funny to imagine that belief that Jesus is God is based on an error which was accidentally preserved.  But it does fit with the common idea that religion has evolved...

    Oh...  oh fuck...   I am speechless....

     

    Okay, concerning the "error which was accidentally preserved" if you are referring to people believing bullshit for thousands of years, that's quite plausible.  In fact, most of human history is just people believing stupid shit for a very long, long time.  It is only withing the last 200 years or so that we've seen a big shift away from "Stupid Shit" and towards "Somewhat-Less-Stupid-But-Still-Pretty-Fucking-Lame Shit". 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    It is only withing the last 200 years or so that we've seen a big shift away from "Stupid Shit" and towards "Somewhat-Less-Stupid-But-Still-Pretty-Fucking-Lame Shit". 
    And even now it's still two steps forward, one step back.



  • @bstorer said:

    And even now it's still two steps forward, one step back.

    If that much. The New Age esoteric wave brought a lot of "even more ridiculous shit", and here it is still alive and kicking.



  • @Ilya Ehrenburg said:

    @bstorer said:
    And even now it's still two steps forward, one step back.
    If that much. The New Age esoteric wave brought a lot of "even more ridiculous shit", and here it is still alive and kicking.
    I was being generous.  Besides, society has given us a USB device shaped like a dog that humps your computer.  If that isn't progress, I don't know what is.



  • @bstorer said:

    Besides, society has given us a USB device shaped like a dog that humps your computer.  If that isn't progress, I don't know what is.

    I nominate this to replace the phrase "They can put a man on the moon..." 



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @bstorer said:

    Besides, society has given us a USB device shaped like a dog that humps your computer.  If that isn't progress, I don't know what is.

    I nominate this to replace the phrase "They can put a man on the moon..." 

     

    Seconded. 



  • @bstorer said:

    society has given us a USB device shaped like a dog that humps your computer.  If that isn't progress, I don't know what is.
     

    And it doesn't even have storage.

    It just humps.



  • @dhromed said:

    @bstorer said:

    society has given us a USB device shaped like a dog that humps your computer.  If that isn't progress, I don't know what is.
     

    And it doesn't even have storage.

    It just humps.

    According to the engineering roadmap, storage will be added in Q3 2009. 


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