Aviation Antipatterns Thread
-
Thank you CNN...
-
@dcon yeah, what else would you expect from boeing these days. Back when boeing delivered real quality their planes didn't care about pesky details like fuel in their tanks, they just kept flying.
or has "trying to fly without fuel" always been an antipattern for jet planes? Don't know, I am not into planes so much...
-
@robo2 said in Aviation Antipatterns Thread:
or has "trying to fly without fuel" always been an antipattern for jet planes? Don't know, I am not into planes so much...
I'd say it's more of an antipattern for pilots.
-
"STOP, STOP STOP!!" Recent FAA Air Traffic Control Errors Reviewed. – 20:36
— blancolirio… ATC is sure messing up more and more often. Especially the first incident mentioned, from JFK, where the intrusion was only spotted by the Swiss 17K crew, was really bad.
-
@robo2 said in Aviation Antipatterns Thread:
or has "trying to fly without fuel" always been an antipattern for jet planes? Don't know, I am not into planes so much..
Since this Developing Story from CNN is already 10 years old: yes.
-
@dcon the Programming Confessions thread is , though I'm not quite sure how -y the situation has to be for this to be a confession:
-
Mayday Aircraft Asked to Hold – 22:21
— 74 GearYour call is important to us. Did you know? You can get faster support by going to our website, www dot...
-
@Zerosquare The video title is a tiny bit misleading. It makes it seem like the controller is blowing off the emergency aircraft. In fact, the pilot asked for a delay while they prepared for landing. However, the controller provided it in the form of "fly the published hold", rather than the "delay vectors" the pilot asked for, which was more work for the already busy pilots in a stressful situation. Not too much more work, though, or the pilot would have simply said "unable", and the controller would (presumably) have complied with the original request.
Also, the question about declaring an emergency may have been due to the controller not having heard the pilot's original mayday call. It's not obvious in the recording, but someone else was transmitting at the same time when the pilot was making the call (possibly the controller), so the controller might have been unable to hear it.
-
@HardwareGeek I would add that the hold appears to double as a procedure turn to align with the approach course in this case, that is any aircraft arriving from that direction has to enter the hold anyway. That might be the reason the controller expected the pilots to expect it.
-
"STOP, STOP STOP!!" Recent FAA Air Traffic Control Errors Reviewed. – 20:36
— blancolirioThings seem to be getting scary!
-
@Tsaukpaetra Yup. ATC has made some serious mistakes recently, and Juan did a good job of explaining it. If it is indeed a sign of a bigger trend toward sloppiness, people are going to die.
-
@HardwareGeek said in Aviation Antipatterns Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra Yup. ATC has made some serious mistakes recently, and Juan did a good job of explaining it. If it is indeed a sign of a bigger trend toward sloppiness, people are going to die.
Hope it improves by 11 months when I next plan to travel.
-
@Tsaukpaetra said in Aviation Antipatterns Thread:
Hope it improves by 11 months when I next plan to travel.
For everyone's safety, make sure to choose the farthest seat from the cockpit, and don't even think of touching the entertainment system screen. The pilots have enough to deal with already, they don't need their flight computer randomly crashing or rebooting.
-
@Zerosquare said in Aviation Antipatterns Thread:
make sure to choose
I typically save the $25 and let it auto-pick amongst the back area.
@Zerosquare said in Aviation Antipatterns Thread:
touching the entertainment system screen
Eh, there's never anything interesting on it anyways. I usually turn it off...
@Zerosquare said in Aviation Antipatterns Thread:
they don't need their flight computer randomly crashing or rebooting.
If they've been operating long enough that's a thing that tends to resolve itself.
-
Oh, and definitely don't plug "that weird unmarked USB device" you found on the floor of a parking lot into a charging port "just to see what it does". Please.
-
@Zerosquare said in Aviation Antipatterns Thread:
Oh, and definitely don't plug "that weird unmarked USB device" you found on the floor of a parking lot into a charging port "just to see what it does". Please.
Oh, I plug those into the "free charging" ports on the walls all the time!
The walls don't seem to like that...
-
@HardwareGeek said in Aviation Antipatterns Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra Yup. ATC has made some serious mistakes recently, and Juan did a good job of explaining it. If it is indeed a sign of a bigger trend toward sloppiness, people are going to die.
I would say it's not really sloppiness but rather
- during the covidoom, a lot of experienced controllers left,
- so now when the traffic has fairly rapidly returned and is increasing again, they have a lot of greenhorns on staff and struggle with training them properly, and
- some DIE hiring practices may be mixed in.
All the problems are compounded by the fact air traffic control in the USA is handled by FAA, which should thus be overseeing itself and that's never a great idea.
-
This didn’t have to be aviation related, it is a generic WTF but it’s specifically demonstrated by an airline so here it is.
-
@Arantor And being less than 2 years old, he won't get a seat, instead has to sit on his parents' lap...
-
@Arantor ¡Viva Y2K!
-
@Arantor this reminds me of a story my mother told me about some distant relative (so at that point, this might as well be an urban legend...).
An old women, 70-something years old, had an accident and was brought to the hospital. Doctors and staff thought that she had some mental issue, maybe dementia, because she kept saying that she had to get home quickly as her mother was waiting for her.
Until someone put one and one together and realised that the lady still had her mother, who was 100-something and being cared for by her daughter!
-
My brother in laws mom is 70 (I think, might be 71 now) and takes care of her mom, turns 93 in May.
-
-
-