Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't know what would happen if you just asked for a quarter pounder.
What's the same size burger with just one slice of cheese, lettuce and tomatoes called on your side of the pond?
Edit: For fun and giggles, I looked it up on the Polish website and it's called WieśMac there, which Google Translate tells me means "VillageMac".
Edit 2: Apparently, it was called McDLT and no longer exists.
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Apparently, it was called McDLT and no longer exists.
Makes sense. It's the McDeleted.
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't know what would happen if you just asked for a quarter pounder.
What's the same size burger with just one slice of cheese, lettuce and tomatoes called on your side of the pond?
Over here that one is called the “Royal TS” (t for tomato and s for salad), which is actually the more common one compared to the Royal with cheese.
Why the fuck are we talking about burgers? Oh wait, my bad...
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@PleegWat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@izzion In the past a couple of times I've been to McD with my brother. I'd ask for a cola regular. He'd ask for light. When the order was ready we'd ask which one was light. The answer would invariably be "I'll make you new ones".
Next time, ask for a cola without ice. Then take the lid off when you get your drink.
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@Dragoon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I actually can't recall the last fast food joint (In the us) that didn't have self-serve drinks
Not in Europe, I would think — paying for every drink is the norm here, not free refills, so putting a self-serve drinks dispenser in the restaurant is unthinkable. People could get more drinks without paying for them. For free! Heresy!
The supermarket in my village used to have a machine for free coffee for customers, some years ago. After a few months, that was removed again because (apparently) the owner felt it was a hassle and an expense to have to keep filling and he resented that workmen who were putting up a building nearby would come into the supermarket just for the coffee. I think he didn’t quite understand the point of free coffee in a supermarket.
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@Gurth said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Dragoon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I actually can't recall the last fast food joint (In the us) that didn't have self-serve drinks
Not in Europe, I would think — paying for every drink is the norm here, not free refills, so putting a self-serve drinks dispenser in the restaurant is unthinkable. People could get more drinks without paying for them. For free! Heresy!
The supermarket in my village used to have a machine for free coffee for customers, some years ago. After a few months, that was removed again because (apparently) the owner felt it was a hassle and an expense to have to keep filling and he resented that workmen who were putting up a building nearby would come into the supermarket just for the coffee. I think he didn’t quite understand the point of free coffee in a supermarket.
Our local burger king has it. But someone, in their genius, laid out the restaurant so the counter is opposite the entrance, the seating area is to the right, and the drinks filling is to the left, so you're always in each other's way. And since it's so unusual nobody knows how the machine works so you're waiting for ages.
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Edit: For fun and giggles, I looked it up on the Polish website and it's called WieśMac there, which Google Translate tells me means "VillageMac".
Not quite. WieśMac is different from Big N' Tasty in that it has a different, custom sauce that gives it very unique taste. They call it "sos musztardowo-chrzanowy", which probably just gave you a heart attack that I could spare you because it just means mustard-radish sauce. But it tastes like neither mustard nor radish.
Apparently, they used to sell Big 'N Tasty over here too, but it was only for a short while, and it was right when I went to USA for less than a year.
I like Whopper more anyway.
Edit: yes, VillageMac is a pretty accurate translation. Although I think Americans would rather call it McCountry or something - I mean, if McCountry wasn't already taken by that Czech thing.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
WieśMac is different from Big N' Tasty in that it has a different, custom sauce that gives it very unique taste.
But unlike the latter, it has the same bun, patty and cheese as the Royal Cheese, no? At least it very much looks like the variant of the quarter pounder that I've seen in other countries.
BTW: I'm a bit envious of your menu. The chili burger looks pretty nice and you have a McMuffin with cottage cheese and radishes, which sounds surprisingly edible for a McD breakfast.
I like Whopper more anyway.
I don't eat much at either burger restaurant, but when I do, I now always choose the vegan Whopper. I don't taste much of a difference to the regular one, which I think is quite an accomplishment. (And I try to avoid cheap meat in general.)
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@dfdub said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
WieśMac is different from Big N' Tasty in that it has a different, custom sauce that gives it very unique taste.
But unlike the latter, it has the same bun, patty and cheese as the Royal Cheese, no?\
No. But it has the same bun, patty and cheese as McRoyal.
At least it very much looks like the variant of the quarter pounder that I've seen in other countries.
As I was shocked to find out one day, Poland is the only country that sells it.
I like Whopper more anyway.
I don't eat much at either burger restaurant, but when I do, I now always choose the vegan Whopper. I don't taste much of a difference to the regular one, which I think is quite an accomplishment.
Yeah. I couldn't believe the first time I've eaten it - it tasted almost exactly like regular Whopper. For me, it's one of the biggest scientific accomplishments ever.
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@Gurth said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Dragoon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I actually can't recall the last fast food joint (In the us) that didn't have self-serve drinks
Not in Europe, I would think — paying for every drink is the norm here, not free refills, so putting a self-serve drinks dispenser in the restaurant is unthinkable. People could get more drinks without paying for them. For free! Heresy!
The supermarket in my village used to have a machine for free coffee for customers, some years ago. After a few months, that was removed again because (apparently) the owner felt it was a hassle and an expense to have to keep filling and he resented that workmen who were putting up a building nearby would come into the supermarket just for the coffee. I think he didn’t quite understand the point of free coffee in a supermarket.
Fast food joints in Sweden pretty much all have them. Some slightly more fancy restaurants also have them.
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This thread has become a silly place.
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I had a Starbucks cawfee for the first time in ages today as they're only just reopening. I'm not normally that bothered either way but the novelty made it extra good.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
musztardowo-chrzanowy ... mustard-radish
Mustard and horseradish, shirley. It sounds amazing, but if it doesn't actually taste like that less so
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@hungrier yeah. Mind derp.
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@Rhywden
Apparently another symptom of Coronavirus is total loss of sanity
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@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
total loss of sanity
Not unrelated.
Carrying a megaphone Mr Corbyn shouted that 5G and the coronavirus pandemic were linked and were a made up ‘pack of lies to brainwash you and keep you in order.’
He also said ‘vaccination is not necessary’ and ‘5G towers will be installed everywhere’, adding: ‘5G enhances anyone who’s got illness from Covid, so they work together.’
Filed under: I AM A FREE I AM NOT MAN A NUMBER
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So, starting from Monday regional travel is unrestricted. From 3 June also national travel. And international travel too with no mandatory quarantine. I think that opening up the borders is a bit rash but I guess that pressures from the tourism industry were too much. I imagine we'll close everything back up if cases go back up.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Do the antibodies work? If they do, are they being used for vaccination, and if not, why not? Honest question.
Yes.
One problem is that for each survivor / donor you can't treat very many people.
I am trying to donate plasma. Filled out form, said wait 1 - 2 weeks.
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The owners of the eatery, Paula Starr Melehes and her husband, Jimmy, said they didn't want the restaurant to look empty when customers came in to eat.
"Instead of using scary, yellow tape or roping off the empty tables, I thought, 'We're going to make this restaurant look full,'" Melehes told WYFF-TV.
Yeah, not creepy at all...
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I am trying to donate plasma. Filled out form, said wait 1 - 2 weeks.
I guess I missed when you came down with it. Were you very sick?
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@jinpa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I am trying to donate plasma. Filled out form, said wait 1 - 2 weeks.
I guess I missed when you came down with it. Were you very sick?
I was never sick, didn't know I had it.
I went to get antibody tested as soon as it was widely available in NYC. I didn't expect to be positive, I just hoped I was. It was the last week in April.
I still take precautions and don't want to go in the subway anytime soon. I can probably get a doctor's note (I have several risk factors) to try to keep working from home once we are required to go back to work.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Fucking drugs that make me photosensitive and can't make my own vitamin D.
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Experts have derided the coding from Professor Neil Ferguson, warning that it is a “buggy mess that looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programming.”
“In our commercial reality, we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust,” David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco, told the Daily Telegraph.
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@jinpa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
“In our commercial reality, we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust,”
I guess he's never heard of TDWTF...
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Edit: yes, VillageMac is a pretty accurate translation.
I don't know about English, but in Polish wieś (village) can be used as a derogatory term. Which gave us this terrible joke:
Two men enter McDonald's and approach the counter.
- Two WieśMacs.
- I can see that, but what is your order?
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@jinpa quoted in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
“In our commercial reality, we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust,” David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco, told the Daily Telegraph.
In the lingo of these things, that guy appears to be expecting Technology Readiness Level (TRL) 10, whereas the code in question is somewhere between TRL 1 and 4, the common levels for research-grade software where there isn't a staff software engineer helping out. And before the start of this year, there was basically no money for these kinds of epidemiological models at high TRLs, or rather there was a lot of competition to get what money there was and a lot of other codes were thought more deserving. Code sometimes gets pressed into service for policy tasks it isn't well suited for because there's no alternative other than just blundering around in the dark…
I guess this ought to be continued
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@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Fucking drugs that make me photosensitive and can't make my own vitamin D.
A few years ago my doctor included a vitamin D test during my annual physical and I was low. I tend to avoid going out in the sun too much to avoid sunburn (lots of skin cancer in my family) so it wasn't a big surprise. I've been taking a vitamin D pill daily ever since.
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@jinpa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Experts have derided the coding from Professor Neil Ferguson, warning that it is a “buggy mess that looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programming.”
“In our commercial reality, we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust,” David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco, told the Daily Telegraph.
https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/27151/covid-19-covidsim-model/
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@boomzilla I should probably do that as well. I go days or longer without seeing the sun or being exposed to direct sunlight for more than the time required to go from school to my car. And that's even before this mess started.
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From the CDC (https://data.cdc.gov/d/9bhg-hcku/visualization):
You can play around with the numbers yourself as well. But note that the 85+ cohort makes up 1.5% of the total population (or did in 2010). So less than 2% of the total population contributes 35% of the deaths. And if you include the whole 65+ band (12.4% of the population), you're about at 80%.
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@Benjamin-Hall That's pretty cool. Now if they could just come up with one of these for public policy decisions. But I doubt that will happen, one reason being that it's a more complex thing.
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@jinpa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall That's pretty cool. Now if they could just come up with one of these for public policy decisions. But I doubt that will happen, one reason being that it's a more complex thing.
Predicting the future (the result of policy decisions) is a lot harder than just visualizing current data.
Plus, you have to tease out the effects of compliance--two locations may have (on paper) the same regulations, but one place may not be following them while the other is super strict.
Judging from everything I've seen, public policy on COVID-19 has had very little effect outside of
- nations that caught it very early and sealed the borders and did heavy test-and-trace from the beginning. Not practical for anything but islands or near-islands.
- policies that shoved infected elderly people back into crowded nursing homes. Putting the highest-risk people all in there together with known infected people has to be the most stupid decision ever.
Any source quoting or using raw CFR/IFR numbers without adjusting for age is at minimum misleading the reader (maliciously or not). Look at that graph. If you take out everybody 45+, you're left with a tiny sliver. 1-2%. For something over 50% of the population (median US age 38.2). And almost all of that is the 35-44 band. The 45+ band makes up 32.6% of the population but has ~98% of the deaths. And if you relax that and just take the 55+ band, you're only at 93% of the deaths.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
You can play around with the numbers yourself as well. But note that the 85+ cohort makes up 1.5% of the total population (or did in 2010). So less than 2% of the total population contributes 35% of the deaths. And if you include the whole 65+ band (12.4% of the population), you're about at 80%.
Yep. Age seems to be the single greatest known predictor of COVID-19 mortality. Have a link to a study with decent analytical power and where there were proper medical statisticians involved in the data preparation. In particular, they manage to separate a lot of other factors out (gender, deprivation, smoking, existing conditions) so that we can be confident (and quantify how confident we are) in saying that age really is bad for you with this disease. The data does include suitable error bars.
I didn't see anything about vitamin D levels in there; that's a little too new a finding for this paper to attempt to analyse.
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@dkf said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
You can play around with the numbers yourself as well. But note that the 85+ cohort makes up 1.5% of the total population (or did in 2010). So less than 2% of the total population contributes 35% of the deaths. And if you include the whole 65+ band (12.4% of the population), you're about at 80%.
Yep. Age seems to be the single greatest known predictor of COVID-19 mortality. Have a link to a study with decent analytical power and where there were proper medical statisticians involved in the data preparation. In particular, they manage to separate a lot of other factors out (gender, deprivation, smoking, existing conditions) so that we can be confident (and quantify how confident we are) in saying that age really is bad for you with this disease. The data does include suitable error bars.
I didn't see anything about vitamin D levels in there; that's a little too new a finding for this paper to attempt to analyse.
I bet that if you only looked at healthy people (relative to age category), the average age of death would be even higher. So yeah. Upending economies to keep old and sick people (dominantly either the very old or the old and sick) alive a little longer. Pneumonia used to be called the "old man's friend". It still is a dominant killer of elderly people. This is no Spanish Flu that killed young people at a high rate. Heck, even the median age of confirmed infection (meaning significant symptoms) skews heavily older (50+ in Florida, which has a high median age at 42 due to all those snowbirds and retirees).
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Karla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Fucking drugs that make me photosensitive and can't make my own vitamin D.
A few years ago my doctor included a vitamin D test during my annual physical and I was low. I tend to avoid going out in the sun too much to avoid sunburn (lots of skin cancer in my family) so it wasn't a big surprise. I've been taking a vitamin D pill daily ever since.
I take it pretty regularly, so not really a concern. Just commented for the LOLs.
Even before being on the drug I was pretty careful, I now have to be more careful.
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@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden
Apparently another symptom of Coronavirus is total loss of sanitys/C/M
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@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden
Apparently another symptom of Coronavirus is total loss of sanityEvidently we have a hotbed if it around here...
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@LaoC said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden
Apparently another symptom of Coronavirus is total loss of sanitys/C/M
Syntax error.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
- policies that shoved infected elderly people back into crowded nursing homes. Putting the highest-risk people all in there together with known infected people has to be the most stupid decision ever.
Don’t forget: with staff whose primary concern is not disease prevention but wellbeing. A few days ago, I read a newspaper article in which some military nursing staff, who had been helping out in care homes, talked about the lax prevention measures that staff in these places practiced despite this having been an issue for a few months by now. (Their main complaint, though they didn’t put it into complaining words, boiled down to that care home staff seem to just ignore rules that they feel get in their way when going about their jobs.)
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@Gurth said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
- policies that shoved infected elderly people back into crowded nursing homes. Putting the highest-risk people all in there together with known infected people has to be the most stupid decision ever.
Don’t forget: with staff whose primary concern is not disease prevention but wellbeing. A few days ago, I read a newspaper article in which some military nursing staff, who had been helping out in care homes, talked about the lax prevention measures that staff in these places practiced despite this having been an issue for a few months by now. (Their main complaint, though they didn’t put it into complaining words, boiled down to that care home staff seem to just ignore rules that they feel get in their way when going about their jobs.)
Yeah. Most of those care homes aren't medical facilities. They're basically food+shelter+personal care. They generally have the lowest quality staff, many of whom work different shifts at different places and are paid bare minimum. In part, that's because lots of elder care is Medicaid (no, not Medicare, which doesn't do long term care). Which pays basically nothing. So the margins are almost zero, and the homes cut costs to the bone.
Nursing homes are horrible places in the best of times. Now they're essentially leper colonies or houses of the damned.
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@Gurth Do you have a link for that piece?
I'm asking because I am just getting back from being called up to serve in the military in a nursing home, and saw a lot of the same things.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@LaoC said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden
Apparently another symptom of Coronavirus is total loss of sanitys/C/M
Syntax error.
No, vim
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
From the CDC (https://data.cdc.gov/d/9bhg-hcku/visualization):
You can play around with the numbers yourself as well. But note that the 85+ cohort makes up 1.5% of the total population (or did in 2010). So less than 2% of the total population contributes 35% of the deaths. And if you include the whole 65+ band (12.4% of the population), you're about at 80%.
A very interesting statistics. Unfortunately, they do not show the ratio of covid death divided by total death. But that can be done with a simple calcualtor. And you'll see: from age 45, some 6-7% of all deaths are related to covid. It does not get worse with age...
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@BernieTheBernie remember that all non-medical deaths took a drastic downturn during pandemic, so that figure is somewhat inflated.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@LaoC said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden
Apparently another symptom of Coronavirus is total loss of sanitys/C/M
Syntax error.
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The g isn't really needed (in both regexps and at least with sed) since there is only one occurrence to replace (in both cases) but it helps making it more obscure, as does the use of a different separator. For added "fun" I tried making it spell something but the warthog was too strong.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Yeah. Most of those care homes aren't medical facilities. They're basically food+shelter+personal care. They generally have the lowest quality staff, many of whom work different shifts at different places and are paid bare minimum. In part, that's because lots of elder care is Medicaid (no, not Medicare, which doesn't do long term care). Which pays basically nothing. So the margins are almost zero, and the homes cut costs to the bone.
Nursing homes are horrible places in the best of times. Now they're essentially leper colonies or houses of the damned.
Just to be clear: I wasn’t talking about American experiences but care homes in the Netherlands, which are not generally thought of as horrible places with staff who don’t give a shit. The reasons for their ignoring covid-related rules appear to be twofold (from what I remember from the article): a degree of ignorance about disease prevention, and a feeling that following the rules strictly would be too stressful for the elderly people they’re caring for. In other words: they try to ensure psychological wellbeing as well as physical, but often tip the balance towards the former rather than the latter when it comes to this disease.
@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Gurth Do you have a link for that piece?
It was in a physical newspaper I no longer have a copy of. It’s also in Dutch and its online version is presumably behind a cookie acceptance requirement with no opt-out meaning that I refuse to accept it — so I don’t have a link for you, sorry.
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@Gurth said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
In other words: they try to ensure psychological wellbeing as well as physical, but often tip the balance towards the former rather than the latter when it comes to this disease.
That is, of course, a genuinely difficult call to make.