Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious
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From my understanding on this whole thing, a lot of this problem really stems from the fact that Tumblr wasn't really doing enough to prevent child pornography from being posted on their site. This resulted in Apple banning their app from the store, and if anyone has ever dealt with the Apple Store on the developer/publisher side, you'd know that it's easier to get a hard liquor license in Tehran than it is to reverse a ban from the Apple Store. So, Tumblr had a choice:
a,) Do nothing and never have Tumblr on the Apple Store.
b.) Improve their moderation of pornographic sites to prevent the proliferation of child porn and hope Apple will eventually re-allow their app on the store.
c.) Just ban all pornographic content on short notice and appease Apple's concerns.
I mean... if Tumblr really was so lax on rules before all this went down, then people should be pissed that they were so fucking idiotic before it came to this. Facebook, YouTube, and Reddit were able to prevent this with the correct moderation. Why couldn't Tumblr?
Then again, maybe Tumblr is a scapegoat in a larger problem that the others also have? Or maybe the rumors that Tumblr was a bastion for shady porn content was overblown? I don't know.
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@The_Quiet_One For what I'm hearing (and the TFA doesn't give me reason to change this impression) they're still crap at moderating, flagging loads of softcore and artistic nudity but leaving the child porn and neonazis alone.
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@The_Quiet_One said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
Just ban all pornographic content
Note that tumblr is apparently doing this in a ham-fisted manner by banning all adult content, not necessarily just porn
And also flagging random stuff
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@The_Quiet_One also, if tumblr didn't have to go through the App Store on ios then this probably wouldn't have happened, they could've just pulled an Epic and ask that people download their app from their website.
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@bb36e I thought you had to jailbreak your phone or at least turn on developer mode or something to allow that, though. Maybe they had since changed it?
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@The_Quiet_One said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
I thought you had to jailbreak your iphone or at least turn on developer mode or something to allow that
FTFY
On Android, you just allow unknown sources.
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@TimeBandit Right, I know that. I thought it was clear enough I was talking about iPhones since that was the context since my very first post in this topic.
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It's Tumblr, as long as there's still material for /r/TumblrInAction who cares?
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Definitely NSFW:
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@loopback0 said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
It's Tumblr, as long as there's still material for /r/TumblrInAction who cares?
Tumblr can be pretty hilarious, unironically.
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There were two kinds of users on Tumblr: those interested in "social justice", and those interested in "adult content". Let's see if they survive with only the former demographic.
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@The_Quiet_One said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
@bb36e I thought you had to jailbreak your phone or at least turn on developer mode or something to allow that, though. Maybe they had since changed it?
Yes, hence the 'if they didn't' lament. Although. wasn't there that class-action against Apple recently?
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@Zerosquare said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
There were two kinds of users on Tumblr: those interested in "social justice", and those interested in "adult content".
I suspect the overlap was significant.
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Not to worry! AI will solve this problem!
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Time to grab some popcorn...
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@Gribnit said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
Not to worry! AI will solve this problem!
I do not approve of this boob shaming!
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@Zerosquare said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
Time to grab some po
prncorn...
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@The_Quiet_One And now that it's even more against the rules, the people who were posting child pornography will surely stop.
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@Luhmann said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
Time to grab some porncorn...
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@Cursorkeys
not enough butter
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@Luhmann You're supposed to supply your own butter, silly!
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Isn't anyone frightened of where the lunatics on Tumblr are going to end up?
Some of the shit on tumblr was scary.
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@Luhmann said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
@Cursorkeys
not enough butter
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@DogsB said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
Isn't anyone frightened of where the lunatics on Tumblr are going to end up?
Are you worried they are going to come here?
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@El_Heffe said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
@DogsB said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
Isn't anyone frightened of where the lunatics on Tumblr are going to end up?
Are you worried they are going to come here?
Now that I think about it we haven't had a forum meltdown in a while. Maybe we should send an invite.
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Tumblr has also decided that the way to make these subjective calls about what is âartâ and what is âadult contentâ is by using automated tools. DâOnofrio basically admits that these tools donât work properly, saying in his post that âWeâre relying on automated tools to identify adult content and humans to help train and keep our systems in check. We know there will be mistakesâ.
That is an understatement. Filters donât work. Weâve seen this in the copyright context many times. For example, YouTubeâs Content ID system works by checking newly uploaded material against a database of copyrighted material and notifying copyright holders if thereâs a match. And it resulted in five copyright claims being filed against a video of white noise. Five people claimed they literally owned exclusive rights to static.
Damn good article, imo.
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@Atazhaia said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
@Luhmann You're supposed to supply your own butter, silly!
MMm, gotta shake it for a while first...
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@SlackerD said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
Five people claimed they literally owned exclusive rights to static.
But not just any static, no! It's static that was generated with a seed of 471774848571093871!
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So I've got an idea for an app that will allow providers, like Tumblr, to provide content on iPhones without their service being constrained by Apple's whims about what can and can't be done by an app on one of their phones.
Basically, the app acts as a generic presentation platform, that the phone user can use to request content from the provider's servers. The provider, in response to such requests, can send back content and a description of how it is to be displayed, and also instructions describing how the various bits of the content relate to each other, allowing the provider to customise navigation of the content according to their needs.
The provider is then able to serve content to any iPhone user without first requiring the user to install an Apple-approved app first.
Okay, since my app is so generic, a user may have to do a little more to get content from a specific provider (namely, tell the app which provider to request content from), but I'll provide a mechanism where the user can ask the app to record such a request for later use, and to include an icon for it on the app's start screen. Once that's done, using my app as a way to access the provider's content becomes a matter of two taps. Which is only one tap more than a dedicated app would require, so I think it's a fair tradeoff.
While I'm about it I might as well make an Android version as well.
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@Watson Fantastic idea. So it would let you browse content just by pointing it at a server, and receiving some sort of Markup Language, probably with embedded scripts of some sort.
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For whatever reason, just then I misread the title as "Trump bans porn and ... ", until I read the whole thing, had a moment of recollection and reread from the beginning.
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@The_Quiet_One said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
From my understanding on this whole thing, a lot of this problem really stems from the fact that Tumblr wasn't really doing enough to prevent child pornography from being posted on their site. This resulted in Apple banning their app from the store, and if anyone has ever dealt with the Apple Store on the developer/publisher side, you'd know that it's easier to get a hard liquor license in Tehran than it is to reverse a ban from the Apple Store.
Well, yes and no.
Vox went and interviewed a (recently ex-) Tumblr engineer about it. This ban has actually been in the works since May, under the name "Project X". The motivation isn't some kind of moral improvement or even to make sure children aren't exposed to porn, it's because Verizon (which bought Yahoo, which had already bought Tumblr) thinks it can sell more ads on Tumblr if it can guarantee that those ads won't be shown next to porn. The only effect that the App Store ban had was to move up the date on which they made the ban public. (Here's the article, if you want to read it.)
It has also been pointed out that FOSTA-SESTA makes the owners of websites which accept user-created content responsible for any illegal content which can be interpreted as "sex work", and since the law is extremely vague about what that actually means, commissioned adult artwork is now potentially dangerous. Which means that although Tumblr may be the first site to have this happen, it's possible that other sites (like Twitter) may do the same before long.
Oh, and also: it's been determined that Tumblr is not only using an open-source super-simple neural network to flag adult content â a job which the code is not intended to do and will never be trainable to achieve in any useful way â but that attempts to appeal the decision don't actually get a human response, the site just runs the post through the same neural network a second time, which may or may not have a different result depending on what it has been "taught" since the first pass. There have been all kinds of pictures which have been flagged as adult, which a human would instantly realize were innocent (like pictures of fossils, or stuffed animals, or illustrations of dinosaurs from textbooks) and which have been appealed and failed a second time.
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@anonymous234 Seems dangerous, like going to a place where you'd be surrounded by wild animals.
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@Anonymous-Throwaway said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
Tumblr is not only using an open-source super-simple neural network to flag adult content
Isn't there yet any service or tool which automatically embeds adversarial examples into images, designed to trick common automated content filters?
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@El_Heffe said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
@Luhmann said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
@Cursorkeys
not enough butterhttps://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg
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@El_Heffe said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
come here
I'm unsure how to interpret this...
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@ixvedeusi Don't adversarial examples stop working if you modify the network slightly? That's what I'd suspect anyway.
Of course, given tumblr's apparent incompetence with implementing this neural network, it wouldn't surprise me if adding a sepia filter or something defeated it.
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@anonymous234 said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
it wouldn't surprise me if adding a sepia filter or something defeated it
And now it's artistic imagery!
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@Atazhaia Or historical document.
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And, lets face it, there is a not-insignificant amount of porn that, if stills are taken without context, are indistinguishable from a not-insignificant volume of home party photos.
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@lolwhat said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
@El_Heffe said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
come here
I'm unsure how to interpret this...
Oh, I'm pretty sure you know
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@boomzilla This explains so much.
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And some people wonder why this all happened...
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@JazzyJosh said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
Not Hotdog!
I understood that reference.
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@boomzilla said in Tumblr bans porn and proves that it is really serious:
And some people wonder why this all happened...
Itâs a platform with user generated content, adult and otherwise. Some users uploaded illegal things and they failed to filter it.
YouPorn et al. have user generated adult content and yet theyâre doing fine. Having porn wasnât the problem, being too incompetent to filter illegal things was.Btw, how does a policy change of âwe donât allow adult content nowâ actually prevent something that has always been illegal?