Ok, so start adding tests. Pitch it to the higher ups as ensuring code quality. It's far from ideal, but don't just sit on your hands and say "Well it sucks, guess that's it."
Posts made by taylonr
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RE: The more things change...
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RE: The more things change...
Why not just refactor as you go? Increase your estimates by X hours and use that time for refactoring.
Or do some refactoring after hours. It will most likely be worth it, even if you don't get paid.
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RE: "Creative" coding
Am I the only one bothered by the TODO:?
@GalacticCowboy said:
// TODO: The following if block should be reduced to one return statememt:
// return Regex.IsMatch(strTest, NAME_CHARS);It's not as if the todo was "See if this can be reduced" but rather, it spells out exactly what needs to be replaced. Rather than replacing it, though, he just left a note that something should be done.
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RE: Pimps ask more intelligent questions of their ho's
Not much you could have done with that, although it is possible to ask the recruiter if they know the approximate salary, or salary range for a given job.
The job I'm at now told the recruiter what they wanted to pay, he didn't really tell me this till AFTER I did the phone interview. It was about 15k off of what it should be for what they're looking for. They wanted someone with experience but were paying just above entry level. Told the recruiter I wouldn't do the onsite unless I knew there was a good chance they'd give me the salary I wanted (or close to it). He called back a day later saying to go do the onsite because they said salary wouldn't be an issue.
Of course, this interview required losing more than a day of time since it was in a different state, and I wasn't going to waste time playing salary games.
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RE: Pimps ask more intelligent questions of their ho's
@Waddaulookingat said:
2. How many have been ADO.NET. ( Why would a manager want to hire a C# developer who has no clue what a dataset).
Two thoughts pop in to my head here. First, I read that as ASP.NET before I read your parenthetical. So perhaps they just got confused?
Secondly, not everyone that uses C# uses ADO.NET, even for data applications. I started an app in VB.Net and was using ADO.NET for about 3 or 4 months. Then switched to NHibernate, and later the project got converted to C#. So techincally, I've done C# for about a year, with 0 of those years being in ADO.NET :)
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RE: Obama Website WTF
@morbiuswilters said:
Agreed. I've been trying to convince people to elect me president on my platform of "conquering pussy nations like the UK and enslaving all of their grammar-abusing citizens", but very few seem to go for it.
Are you older than 35? If so, I might have just found my new write in candidate. No point in wasting my write in on someone who's not even eligible (or I'd vote for myself) :)
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RE: Fugative captured
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RE: Six sigma WTF?
@upsidedowncreature said:
By the way, why can't we have cool green/yellow/black belts in software development? I mean, real belts?
Canvas. JC Penney, 3.98; You like?
Obscure? Maybe this will help: In Okinawa, belt mean no need rope to hold up pants.”
I worked at a company that instittuted 6sigma "Faster than anyone has before" This particular company had over 60,000 employees so it was an achievement. At first it was only for projects and processes where a noticeable return could be accomplished. Before long, 6 sigma was running everything, even things that weren't processes or new projects. Further, the first 2 waves of blackbelts got a bonus based on the savings of their project. After wave 2 that incentive was cut. You still got the extra workload, just without the bonus :)
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RE: WTF manager: Bob
@aips said:
Sorry about the blog pimping, but this seemed like the ideal forum for our troubles. Thanks for the feedback.
Initially we thought of putting everything in writing, and sending it off to the producers of The Office. It was almost a joke. But we realize now that they probably wouldn't believe it.
Seriously, when I read Joon in July, all I could think of was the Christmas party where Michael picked up the Asian waitress and brought her back to the party.As I read this, I kept asking myself, "Is this real, or are they trying to make the Office into a blog?" Which, to me, says it's pretty high quality. Because I could see these as plots to office episodes, and yet they don't come off as you trying to write episodes for the office.
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RE: WTF manager: Bob
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@Kazan said:
stfu - I know several very hot, very intelligent and very adept female coders... couple from college and one from a place I used to work
Keep telling yourself that.
Ironically, after reading the blog, and your comment, I could picture Kazan's comment as something Bob would say...
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RE: WTF manager: Bob
@Kazan said:
@taylonr said:
There are two things that make me think this is fake. First, it's a woman in IT. Second, it's well written, and the number of IT people who can actually write, seem to be statistically insignificant.
All joking aside, looks interesting, and I'll check it out.
stfu - I know several very hot, very intelligent and very adept female coders... couple from college and one from a place I used to work
"all joking aside" means, the previous comments were said in jest, and not to be taken seriously. <sarcasm>Sorry it wasn't surrounded by <sarcasm> or <joke> tags.</sarcasm>
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RE: WTF manager: Bob
There are two things that make me think this is fake. First, it's a woman in IT. Second, it's well written, and the number of IT people who can actually write, seem to be statistically insignificant.
All joking aside, looks interesting, and I'll check it out.
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RE: The smalltown trucker turned sysadmin
@syntaxeater said:
@merreborn said:
Calling your boss out in front of a customer usually isn't a good idea.
He wasn't a customer. He was another employee of the company we both worked at.Customer can be a relative term, co-worker or not.
Calling out your boss in front of anyone usually isn't a good idea, but sometimes it just has to be done
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RE: Customers owning their own fiber?
@Hitsuji said:
I can think of more simple scenarios that can easily cause plenty of hastle.
Agree, in fact this was my first thought. In some ways it would be like owning the power line that comes off the pole to your house.
Also, as is often the case, they'd sell you the fiber give you a SLIGHT discount at installation and then charge you the same monthly fee. Why? Because they're not looking to help you out but looking to maximize their profit. No doubt saying things like "We can charge the same amount because that's what they're used to, even though we don't have to maintain the cable anymore."
One more thing to consider is, if some contractor is digging a ditch for your company and hits the cable, it gets fixed quickly because there is a large corporation pushing on them to get it fixed. By that, I mean, if you hit AT&T's fiber, they have enough muscle to get it fixed right away. If some schmoe cuts my cable, I'm just an average home owner, I have no muscle to flex here so I might be out days, or weeks (like when my AC went out the same day as everyone else in Omaha and I had to wait 10 days for a stupid estimate, and another 7 to get the part replaced.)
So recap, less service, more cost for the end user (because every time the fiber gets damaged it comes out of your pocket, all for the hopes of saving less than $5 in monthly internet cost.
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RE: Security... not quite getting it
@morbiuswilters said:
Wouldn't you need the password to the email account anyway to get the password list?
By the same token, you could just put it on a post-it note on your monitor, because you have to have a security badge to get into the building.
EDIT: Oh, you meant you need your password to get your password, thought you were saying it was safe because it was protected by a password. Kind of like "Send me an email to tell me the email system is down"
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RE: U-Haul WTF
@vt_mruhlin said:
But it was only his job to confirm that the truck was dead.
Now try that sitting on the side of I70 outside St. Louis -- for 8 hours. That's what happened to my step dad. He was driving the truck for us from Louisville, KY to Omaha, NE. He woke up early Sunday and took off aroudn 6am. We were going to leave later that day after we wrapped up some stuff. Aroudn 10am I get a phone call from him saying it was dead on the side of the road. So I start calling UHaul, since it was in my name. I gave them the mile marker and the direction and the interstate (like I70 West bound, marker #9. Outside St. Louis). 20 minutes later the operator told me she couldn't find a St. Louis Illinois. I asked, "Can you find mile marker #9?" Took another 20 minutes. Was told someone would be there in 1 hour to help. Long story short, a truck with ~ 50,000 miles lost 2 spark plug wires. 8 hours later, they finally showed up and towed my step-dad's truck. He spent the night at a hotel off exit #9. The next morning the shop had it up and running ain about 1 hour.
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RE: MSNBC == WTF
I thought maybe the WTG would be the red banner reporting that new home sales had dropped.
Perhaps one of the worst secondary effects of 9/11 is the advent of scroll bars and breaking news alerts on the major networks.
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RE: Programming Misunderstood
@jetcitywoman said:
Funnily enough, this particular manager was also the one who wrote memos in Excel. Yep, all the text in cell A-1. I saw it myself.
Of course, then if you have work on a different memo at the same time, you can use B1, DUH.
Something else I thought of was I used to sit by the new products guys. There were 4 of us in 1 cube, 3 new product enigneers, and me, a .Net software developer.
Anyway, I was takling to one of the guys about something and he was looking at my screen which had VS up and some file open. He said "Did you write all those lines?" There was basically a page full of code on the screen. I said "Yeah, and there's several thousand more lines, most of it was typed in by hand, some was generated, and some was intellisensed in." He couldn't believe that programmers actually had to type that much.
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RE: Programming Misunderstood
I work in a somewhat similar company. The company employees less than 20 engineers, mostly mechanical, a few MEs who hate using their computer for anything other than CAD. The entire company exists, in one way or another, to support these engineers, because they're the ones designing the products that get made on the shop floor.
However, I see a couple differences between our companies 1) Our IT Department now has 4 full time developers and 2 temporary workers, as well as 1 guy for the networks. By the end of the year, we'll have a help desk person as well as 2 or 3 SAP process specialists (long story, we just merged with another company and they run SAP, so we will now run SAP). 2) The majority of our company understands that we're not going to just sit down and spit out code.
For example, I was hired in April of '07 to rewrite their quoting software. It should be done around Oct 1 of this year (18 months). Yet I haven't gotten pressure to get it done earlier or asked why it's taking so long. I think part of that has to do with my boss doing a good job of showing the company managers the value of IT. He has done this by having an IT council with every department manager being part of the council. They meet every 4-6 weeks. They go over what's being developed in our big systems, long term plans and then talk feature requests. He uses this time to show progress made on bugs, and features. He doesn't just come in and say "that will take 3 weeks" but has emperical evidence to show them.
It's hard enough for bad developers to understand why it takes so long for software to get written, so you can't expect other people to just "get it". Identify some big wigs in your company and talk to them, get one or two projects to work on for them. Make them super high quality, and keep detailed data of how long it took you to do each part. If you can show them that it takes 1 month to write an aspect of their feature but it's exactly what they wanted and works more or less pefectly, then you'll likely have more buy in.
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RE: Thanks for the... homework?
@WeatherGod said:
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
All radar data (heck, all weather data) collected by the NWS is free and available to use. So, that isn't a limiting factor. BTW, having a doppler radar to play with is reserved for only a small number of research groups, and they are dominated by EE people (I happen to be in such a group). Also, there is much, much, much more to meteorology than the radar...@WeatherGod said:
Why is the computer field different?
Perhaps because it is hard for people to have doppler radar to play with at home and learn on?
PROTIP: More goes on in the atmosphere than just precipitation...
I thought all it took to be a meterologist was to be a young, attractive blond who looked good on TV.
There's more to it than that?
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RE: Thanks for the... homework?
@WeatherGod said:
Why is the computer field different?
Because everyone has a nephew or neighbor or brother's-girl-friend's-father's-first-wife's-cousin who "knows computers." Making it easy for managers who are ignorant of IT to hire any old dufus.
Why do you need some specialty to set up WANs when everyone from the receptionist to the senior engineer use computer's every day? It's not like he'll be designing a bridge that needs complex static-analysis on it, or fault-force testing, he just needs to plug in some cables and download some programs.
I think it also has to do with how IT has been defined. A company I interned at in '95-96 had an IT department whose sole job was to make sure PCs had the OS and Office installed, and manage the routers and switches. Today, I work for a similar sized company in the IT deparmtment. We have 7 employees (12 by year end) of which only 1 person has the job to manage PCs and servers. The rest of us are writing software. So there is a wide variety of what it means to be in the "computer field."
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RE: Thanks for the... homework?
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
They cannot imagine someone being intelligent and talented enough to not need to spend 4 years sitting in lectures just to write a program.
Have no problem with those people, have problem with the people who are too stupid to see that they are not too intelligent and too talented for college. And, from my experience, those are more common.
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RE: Thanks for the... homework?
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@WeatherGod said:
Yeah, probably so, given the number of EE people I have met who believe that Matlab is an operating system, and that .mat files are a universal data format... **ducks**
Yeah, I would totally expect an EE to know all about computer software...
EEs are a weird breed. My roomate got into EE because he wanted to do automation and robotics. However, you couldn't hardly force him to get on a computer. The whole time I wondered how he would program his PLCs or robots.
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RE: Thanks for the... homework?
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@bstorer said:
Sure, but not everybody can "stick with something for 4 years".
Those people are worthless then. A degree wont help them not be worthless.
Can't speak for anyone else here, but for me, you play the percentages. While it is true that there are some VERY talented people who don't have a degree you have a better CHANCE of finding a qualified person by looking for degrees.
I have no DOUBT that you make more money than me MPS, and haven't read many technical conversations of yours, but would assume you're probably more knowledgable than me. But if I was talking to a group of Jr high or HS kids I would still recommend that any of them that want to get into development go to school. (I would recommend either EE or CompE, but that's just me.) Knowing that 1) The percentage of people who can skip college and not get stuck in a dead-end job is small enough that maybe 40 people in an a suburan HS could get away with it and 2) Those who could pull it off, probably already know they can and so would ignore the exhortation.
College != success, but it is usually a better indicator. Just like the stock market, prior results do not guarentee future success.
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RE: Thanks for the... homework?
@WeatherGod said:
@AssimilatedByBorg said:
I am still a little unclear with regards to what skippy meant by a 'related science degree'. I will admit that a person coming from a university with a CS/IT degree is more likely to be better suited for a software development job than a person with a Chemistry degree from the same university. The same is true for the reverse in a chemistry related job. But a person with a physics degree might have spent a lot of time developing models, and might have learned a lot of good programming skills the hard way.@MasterPlanSoftware said:
Why? Since when is a degree required to be a developer?
Without commenting on the can-of-worms that is "do you need a degree to be a good developer", I'll just note that most development job *postings* require degrees. As such, and otherwise, most people in those positions have degrees. And that's Skippy's premise -- simply that they have the degree. Whether that makes them a Better Developer (TM) is not the point here.
For example, with my meteorology background, I quickly learned the value of good commenting and variable naming when faced with codes written by fellow students who would go ahead and use a variable named 'q' and never state what is is for (note that 'q' is often used in meteorology for many completely different things). In a CS curriculum, you get told to do good commenting and variable naming, but until you see it for yourself why it is important, you can't truly understand how important it is.
I know a company that thinks long and hard before hiring any CS/IT people for development. This is a result of 30+ years of developing software and seeing that Electrical Engineers are much better suited for their software, while CS have typically (but not universally) bombed in their environment.
That's what is usually meant by a related science field. For example, I imagine you would meet the qualifications for working at Raytheon on the jobs they posted for weather satellite systems last year, despite the fact that you don't have a CS/EE degree. Perhaps even more qualified than I would have been with my EE degree.
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RE: Thanks for the... homework?
@AssimilatedByBorg said:
@skippy said:
If that is the case I would be insulted with their decision to move to tech support, and get MS certification. I'd be looking for a new job too.
OTOH, a lot of developers (and managers of those developers) have a severe lack of perspective on the day-to-day problems faced by their customers. And I don't just mean bugs, but "why did the product get built that way? That's dumb." Some people practically pride themselves on this lack of perspective... I have a lot of contempt for those kind of people.
Plus, a good tech support person has an incredible breadth of knowledge about the product compared to most developers, who tend to develop a much deeper, but narrower, knowledge of some part of the product. Until they move to a different component and forget much of what they know about the first component. This isn't a criticism of developers, it's just the nature of the jobs.
Doesn't mean I think devs should be rotated into tech support for a significant length of time. But walking a mile in someone else's shoes (be it tech support, QA, or even (shudder) sales) can be very enlightening.
Exactly, and if this is the case, the developer should be happy to be there and take the chance to learn from this situation to make better software. HOWEVER, if that was the case, it seems odd that they'd pay for you to get certified.
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RE: Thanks for the... homework?
@belgariontheking said:
The skills weren't the issue. I got the sk33ls. It's the horrible couch potato laziness that I got over in college and couldn't have gotten over any other way.
This is usually the bigger issue, even if it isn't verbalized within companies. A degree shows the ability of someone to stick with something for at least 4 years. It shows that they are set on bettering themselves and it shows that they have a desire to learn.
/for extra credit, what should the grammar nazis be attacking me for on the above sentences?
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RE: Thanks for the... homework?
Is this the managers way of saying "You're not a good programmer"? Or is this something to gain experience in the company? What's the motivation for this?
@brettdavis4 said:
They could always get the certification from the company and then bail. :)
My question is, why not just bail now? If I was moved to tech support and wasn't happy because I wanted to be programming, I'd be looking for a new job.
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RE: Another television show screwing up an IP address. [LAW & ORDER]
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@cataclysm said:
If the 'and' implied a decimal place
But it doesn't. Kattman is full of shit.
That may be, but I have memories of a 5th grade English teacher on the verge of yelling when someone would say "one hundred and 3" instead of "one hundred three" for the numeric 103.
/poor Carlton never did learn the lesson
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RE: I see dead minds
It would be an interesting study to see the educational backgrounds on these "programmers." Simple things, like did they obtain a 4 year degree? If not, did they obtain a 2 year associates? Was it a fly-by-night programming degree? Was it just simply on-the-job experience?
I've more or less ceased to be amazed about ignorance in IT. It is a job that pays well so a lot of people want to get in to IT. Which spawns a lot of "Bob's school of programming" where your text book is C# in 24 hours. At which point, you learn Visual Studio 2008, not programming. This is further compounded by the fact that for many years companies have needed an IT department but didn't see the need in hiring IT professionals. Instead, they turn the keys over to someone who has an IT aptitude. The demand for IT professionals and the small supply has created this kind of problems.
Many of these kind of things can be chalked up to pure ignorance. There isn't a problem with ignorance. It's when one remains willfully ignorant that I get frustrated.
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RE: Not-so-smart building
@PSWorx said:
Did you take the wrong exit and accidentally ended up in the middle of one of those horrible 90's "hacker" movies? Or did the guy who planned this thing just belong to the Kobayashi school of architecture?
I mean, come on, this practically screams for "Oh noez, the virus took over the building and locked us in... and now it sucks all the air out..."
Yeah, isn't this how Zero-Cool set off the sprinkler system test that got Angelina Jolie (and the rest of the school) soaked?
As to the OP, what university do you go to? I want to make sure I don't hire anyone from there.
In all fairness, this is a classic case of what happens when marketing interferes with engineering. I'm fairly certain some alumni was willing to fork over some money for the building but the upper level PR people convinced him/her that it could be used as a showcase to wow incoming students. Then, instead of consulting professors or people with more knowledge on the subject they set out to have this pony they could trot out on prospective student weekend. If there was ANY CS faculty that advocated a web based interface for lighting and windows etc, they should be terminated IMMEDIATELY. Technology has it's place, but no need to use a sledge hammer to kill a fly, or in this case, a secure web based application to turn on a light.
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RE: Salespeople need training
@DangerMouse9 said:
@belgariontheking said:
@Sgeo said:
I remember when I was younger
I remember when I was older, I wasn't such a jackass.Really? I've always been a jackass.
Yes, but the key is, WILL you always be one
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RE: I don't think sudo does what you think it does...
Geez, I thought everyone knew sudo made sandwiches
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RE: The importance of condescension
I'll admit that my natural inclination is closer to the OP than I'd like. That being said, I'm keenly aware that there are a myriad of reasons why someone may be an "idiot" at that particular time. For example, we've been moving for the past two weeks, and the house we're moving from is far from clean and ready to be turned over. Last night, I headed to the store to get some cleaning supplies, then to a sandwich shop to grab supper for the kids. While I'm usually fairly observant, this time proved to all those around that I must be an idiot. I walked in, ordered the sandwiches then decided I should order some drinks because we didn't have any drinks at our "old" house. I glance around and see nothing but bottled water. I asked the girl "Do you have anything besides water?" She held up a cup and said something to the effect of "We also have soft drinks." I glanced around again and still didn't see the dispenser. She kindly pointed out it was behind me, right where I walked in at.
I ended up just laughing it off, but I'm sure to those around me they were thinking "what an idiot." Never mind the exhaustion from the weekend of moving and working, the unfamiliarity with the restaurant etc.
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RE: HR and Vacation
Yeah, right now I have 10 days vacation, 8 holidays that the company decides, 1 holiday I decide and 5 days of sick pay, so 24 total days off in a year
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HR and Vacation
The theme de jour (that's theme of the day ;) ) appears to be bad HR experiences, so I'll take my turn harping on them.
In 2000, I and 11 other college graduates started a "College Graduate Trainee" (CGT) program at a large company. We all started on Tuesday May 30th (since Monday was Memorial Day in the States.) As part of the 1/2 day of HR orientation meetings, we were told that vacation is given based on the number of years an employee has as of June 1st. One to 5 years of work was 2 weeks, 5-10 was 3 weeks and 10+ was 4 weeks. For employees with less than 1 year of work, the literature stated, they earned 1 day of vacation for each month worked, up to a maximum of 10 days.
In addition to the vacation, each employee, regardless of time served, got 3 personal days on January 1st each year.
After these meetings the CGTs all went to their respective groups and began working, but would occasionally bump into each other throughout the year. Around October or November, I started hearing of several CGTs taking vacation days. Especially around Thanksgiving and then again before Christmas. Seeing as I was new to town and didn't have any big plans I kept saving my vacation, thinking I would use it as a lump sum. Around February or so, I had switched groups, which was part of the CGT program, and my new supervisor wasn't sure how to handle my vacation since I didn't techinically work for him, but the CGT supervisor. So I emailed HR. The response I got back was that vacation earned at 1 day / month was not awarded until June 1st. At which time all CGTs would be getting 2 weeks, since we would be employed > 1 year at that time. So I put any vacation ideas on hold.
In May, my brother-in-law was leaving for the Air Force, and my wife wanted to make the 6 hour drive to see him befor he left. I emailed HR and clarified that "All employees get 3 personal days." The answer was "Yes, they do." So I went to take my 3 days and take an extended weekend to make the trip. I was then told that since I had not yet been employeed a year, I would only get a pro-rated number of vacation days, in addition, I would not get those days until I had been there a year (i.e. May 30th). Despite me replying with her exact words when she stated that all employees, including CGTs had 3 days of personal time, I got nowhere.
Thankfully, my supervisor was nice enough to cut a deal with me and let me take 1.5 days off even though it wouldn't be reported, because I couldn't use that charge number.
I suppose, in the end, TRWTF is that I asked for permission rather than forgiveness like the rest of the CGTs
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RE: Yet another HR wtf
Or you could use XB browser as well, I suppose.
I think TRWTF is that, unless this is your friend's first job, he tried to reason with HR. HR doesn't allow for reasoning. They have their policies, which were on the 3rd tablet handed down on Sinai. The problem is always with you, never with them.
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RE: Download delivery methods
@Dalden said:
What other types of delivery methods did they anticipate for a download?
Maybe you could tie two African swallows together. But then it becomes an issue of how would they grip it?
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RE: Human Resources, The Sequel
@Qwerty said:
@Jake Grey said:
Please recall an occasion when you <snip>
(i) Describe the situation, and tell us clearly why you think they were unhappy.
(ii) Tell us exactly what you did to try and sort out their problem, and when you did it.
(iii) How did you know they were happy with what you had done for them?
(iiii) If you hadn't acted as you did, what do you think the outcome would have been?
That looks like a perfectly normal example of "Behaviour Descriptive" interview technique. I've never seen it done as a written test though. These questions are extremely difficult to answer if you're not prepared. If you are prepared (or it's a written test with no time limit) then you can usually come up with an example that fits the question. They don't care if the work example you use is from when you were pushing trolleys at the supermarket in high school, they just want to get those specific 4 line-items.
The psychological theory behind it is that past behaviour predicts future behaviour. If they give you an example "How would you resolve X situation?" then your response only predicts how you THINK you might act, not how you will actually act.
Not only are they common, but companies that do "Targeted Selection" interviews, often have nothing BUT these type of questions. I think I answered 9 questions in similar vein when I got my first job out of school. The company's basic assumption was by the time you got this far they 1. Knew what school/employment history you had, and in the case of school, they knew your grades. What they didn't know yet was if you were the guy who always passed the buck, or was a glory hound. At least that's my take on them.
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RE: Communication issues
@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@tster said:
Finally I figured out that he wanted RAID-6 devices.
Are you sure? This could be a bigger problem than we already know!
Sounds like a Kurt Vonnegut novel to me. Devices become aware and don't like the Betas or something :D
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RE: Communication issues
@DOA said:
Boss: have you moved the site yet?
I forward my intial email with the unanswered question.
Boss: What?
I copy-paste the initial question to a new email and send it.
Just a pet-peeve of mine, but if he either ignored or didn't understand it the first time, I'm guessing seeing a copy-and-paste will not help him understand better.
Kinda like talking to someone who doesn't understand your native tongue so you slow down and speak louder.
/I don't care how slow and loud you make your Spanish, if you aren't reading the Taco Bell menu, chances are I won't have a clue what you're saying.
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RE: And the real WTF is ...
My senior year of college, the IEEE brought in some speaker. The only thing I remember this guy saying was "Engineering is not for the faint of heart. If you mess up, your miscalculation could result in injuries or even death. If you do a good job, you get a piece of paper to hang on your wall"
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RE: It's still just a truck.
Wouldn't assume it was the NSA, after all, the NSA doesn't exist. ;)
Reason being, I was on a campus that the CIA interviewed at. Actually had an oncampus interview with them, but they were looking for IT guys to setup routers etc, not looking for any hardware/software guys. But even they were able to describe the TYPE of work I'd be doing. However, when I went through a recruiter and was talking about working for a defense contractor in Schenectady, NY they coudln't/wouldn't tell me 1) The contractor and 2) the agency/agencies they contracted for.
TRWTF is expecting to see some "top secret" stuff during an on-site interview without having clearance. It's not called "Top Secret, except during interviews" :D
The whole experience, does remind me of the way Cessna does interviews, however. I showed up, there were 4 other people. I was an EE, there were 3 Mechanical Engineering Technology guys from 1 school and an MET from some other school. He walked us up and down the assembly line. Let us sit in some cabins, gave us lunch and sent us home. Not a single question asked. Got an offer, but turned it down.
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RE: WTF of TheDailyWTF
Not to mention he was being tracked at least 5 days before he became a member....
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RE: Human Resources
<CoffeeTalkVoice>
Talk amongst yourselves. I'll give you a topic of discussion: Human Resources is neither human nor resourceful
</CoffeTalkVoice>
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RE: Code Sample
Typically they do just want to see that you're not SpectateSwamp and don't just write 1 freakin huge procedure with var names like a, aa, ab, bb etc.
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RE: They said it would be slow
@dtech said:
@taylonr said:
Sure enough, they were on the same ribbon, with nothing on the slave connector. I set it up with HDD on master, and CDROM on slave. XP install was done in under 40 minutes from start to finish.
Not XP's fault you build your own PC despite not knowing how.
Might want to get that reading comprehension in for a tune-up. First line of OP
Okay, so this one takes a shot at me, but think it's kinda funny.
From the get go, I was saying I was what screwed it up, not XP