Posts made by MatNewman
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RE: Lotus Notes: Spearheading the social/mobile web revolution!
@Anketam said:
Anyway even though a lot of time and money was involved they were not really able to get all the data out of those "databases" in a usable format
@Anketam said:
I'm one of those lucky guys that has the honor to use Lotus Notes!
You couldn't open those databases in your own Notes client? File ->Export 'CSV'? Use an agent to export the data to XML? Expose the Domino data through a Web service? Use a DCR to CRUD the data with SQL, Oracle, DB2, or any ODBC? Configure the Notes SQL driver to make calls directly from your external apps?
@Anketam said:
I just laugh at this marketing moron in this thread
Laugh all you like. I'm not in marketing. I'm a tech. I have a very good understanding of what is possible with Lotus Notes and Domino because I've done it.
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RE: Lotus Notes: Spearheading the social/mobile web revolution!
@beginner_ said:
I'm one of those lucky guys that has the honor to use Lotus Notes
@beginner_ said:
For me anyone that is a Notes fan just has no clue about IT
@beginner_ said:
the idea to integrate a "database" in an email client shot be shot
You're a Notes user working in IT. You have it the wrong way around, since you clearly don't understand that Lotus Notes *IS* a Database application that includes email fuctionality.
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RE: Lotus Notes: Spearheading the social/mobile web revolution!
OMG. Seriously? After the 4th character you type in the password dialog, the old heiroglyphs (the new keyring) will start changing. The symbol that appears for your current password is always the same. That's the prompt that you've typed in your password correctly. Change your Lotus Notes password, you get a new keyring.
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@Xyro said:
I don't think you'd want Lotus Notes in the race.
No contest, I'd roll it (and hundreds of other widgets at the same time) out to my users with a policy, 0 configuration on their behalf.
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@spamcourt said:
Yesss... and it used Google Maps.
Slaps Head!
Yes, on purpose, so it was easily recognisable.
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@Xyro said:
By the way, I'd just like to assert for the sake of the discussion: a workflow need not be in one window or one application.
But context is awesome:
And the sorcery here is that Lotus Notes recognized the address and with a single click on the address, did the search, opened that side-bar panel and displayed the results.
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@blakeyrat said:
Hey spam more, asshole.
Just trying to get to that 1000 post SpectateSwamp milestone.
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@C-Octothorpe said:
Do you speak the same way you post?
Shatner is ... a great ... actor. Fantastic ... in ... over, the hedge.
In case you didn't know, the correct answer is: Original series over next generation, but Picard over Kirk.
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@Xyro said:
And how does ODBC work on Linux?
sudo apt-get install libmyodbc
Yeah. I guess if all you use is Email without any workflow or integration into external systems (which is called increasing productivity and process automation) you have no understanding of what is actually possible outside the Microsoft and Google world.
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@C-Octothorpe said:
EDIT: also, how often, really, do you Save emails to your local file system? Isn't the whole point of having an email client is to have it manage your emails, and not offload that job on to your file system?
Nothing to do with filing OUTSIDE your messaging environment. It's a single click tat let's you send, and then choose the (email) folder to place a message in.
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@Xyro said:
I'm trying to pry out of you some sliver of interesting information that could be turned into an argument that Lotus Notes bests something like Gmail
Or how about an EMAIL feature.
Lotus Notes can forward more than one message at a time in a singe email.
Oh, and unlike Outlook, not as attachments, as a thread that's automatically sorted in-line in chronological order, so that you can ... uh, read it in order without launching attachments and trying to work it out for yourself.
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@Xyro said:
I'm trying to pry out of you some sliver of interesting information that could be turned into an argument that Lotus Notes bests something like Gmail
Connecting ANYTHING in Lotus Notes to a local data source via direct link or ODBC
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@Xyro said:
I'm trying to pry out of you some sliver of interesting information that could be turned into an argument that Lotus Notes bests something like Gmail
Live Text
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@Xyro said:
I'm trying to pry out of you some sliver of interesting information that could be turned into an argument that Lotus Notes bests something like Gmail
You can SORT your search results.
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@Xyro said:
I'm trying to pry out of you some sliver of interesting information that could be turned into an argument that Lotus Notes bests something like Gmail
All Documents
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@Xyro said:
I'm trying to pry out of you some sliver of interesting information that could be turned into an argument that Lotus Notes bests something like Gmail
[Send and File]
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RE: Lotus Notes: Spearheading the social/mobile web revolution!
Seriously?
@Xyro said:
Do you mean like, emailing your boss..?
Have you ever seen a Blog Template? Wiki Template? Document Library Template? Teamroom Template?
Have you ever used the Domino RSS template to create a feed to any Lotus Notes application? Ever used the in-built "Subscribe" function to see when content is created or modified in any Lotus Notes application that you might be interested in?
Ever created a shared contact list using the Contacts template that enabled any user in your organisation to create a contact that could be accessed by every one else in your company, and USED by any one else in your company to address an email or look up their contact details by clicking a name and choosing "Show Name Details"? Without 'Subscribing to a list and then constantly clicking "Sync", "Sync", "Sync"?
Have you ever explored the FREE resources: widgets, plug-ins and Templates published on http://www.openntf.org ?
Have you created a FREE account on Lotus Greenhouse ( http://greenhouse.lotus.com ) that gives you access to the full IBM Connections suite and IBM docs with synchronous document editing?
Visited http://planetlotus.org or IBM Developerworks and read any of the FREE advice given by any one of the hundreds of actual experts in Lotus Notes Admin, Development, Deployment and use?
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@alegr said:
Oh, by the way, I haven't used LN (thanks deity!) in ages
Obviously. Lotus Notes 5 (1998) was the last version that behaved that way.
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@Xyro said:
Just what makes Lotus Notes relevant in comparison to other software?
The benefit of Lotus Notes is what it always has been: Lotus Notes securely and flexibly provides communication, collaboration and workflow capabilities, in an integrated environment.
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@Weng said:
delete the damned inactive accounts from the fucking domino mailing lists?
Are you the Domino Admin? Do you know what AdminP is? Do you know what an agent is?
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@Onyx said:
So much about Linux not having any high quality professional software available!
Ubuntu (Linux) has been my primary desktop environment for 2 years.
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@C-Octothorpe said:
Easy: you're someone who vehemently defends a comparatively expensive product
Lotus:
Engage Expanded social networking, instant messaging and online meetings $8 per user, per month, with unlimited collaborators and up to 200 meeting attendees. Google:
Google Apps for Business with Vault
With advanced security and e-discovery features
$10/user/month
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@alegr said:
I used Outlook from 1997, and it was perfectly working. Not crashing or hanging
You are lucky. My wife has to use Outlook at work and it crashes on her constantly. But then again, you probably never noticed it because Windows automatically restarts Outlook after every crash.
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@blakeyrat said:
It's not that software currently does need no training (although a lot of systems are very very good, despite all my gripes about Apple, their iPhone interface is really close to this ideal)
Apple have done a great job in simplifying the UI. My issue is that it also means less features and options. Also it's full of 'wizards' to lead you to the next step.
eg: Apple iOS mail app,folder list. one button: 'New'. nice ad easy, even my Dad worked that out.
Open a message, one reply button, touch it, a 'wizard' (helper/prompt/whatever!) then asks *how* you want to reply. Again, simple, easy for most people to understand, the 'wizard' is hand-holding through the process.
The fact is, some people do need help with even the most 'simple' of 'things'. These are the people who have 00:00 flashing on their DVD/Blu-Ray, or who ask you to help them to 'Facebook'.
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@Lorne Kates said:
However, if you need highly paid consultants to train people to use an EMAIL CLIENT-- in 2012-- then your email software is shit and the UI needs to be razed to the ground and salted
@Lorne Kates said:
EMAIL CLIENT
Don't know how that's relevant to a discussion on Lotus Notes. Ctrl+N in most software gives you a new "*". Since Lotus Notes is a database application, in Lotus Notes it gives you a new Database. . PIM is just one of the databases available to you.
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@Xyro said:
Also, is that a recent screenshot..?
Right-click, choose image properties, you'll see it was taken 24 hours ago, moments before I submitted it.
@Xyro said:
I've asked you to show me features that Notes has that other PIMs don't, and specifically to convince me that Notes is better than Gmail.
@MatNewman said:
I open a message/celandar/To-do and every name, number, address, code, etc lights up. I click a name and can choose to see their CRM, Linkedin, Facebook or Internal Contact details. I choose an option and that pops up for me. I click on the code and it goes to the Fedex tracking site and shows me the tracking information for the parcel. No copy, browser, bookmark, paste, Notes does it all for me with one click.
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@Lorne Kates said:
who called it, with the Linux User Excuses thing?
blakeyrat:
@blakeyrat said:
They also borrow a few moves from the Linux user playbook
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@ender said:
he should be confined to helping users that click one of the non-default sort options, then 3 months later start calling why they don't get half of the messages they're expecting.
I really like the one's who choose to "show unread only" and then call to tell you that every time they open an email it's automatically deleted.
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@blakeyrat said:
Look, I was making a joke. You don't have to reply to jokes.
But it was a cool quote, I was just about to mix up some yellow and blue face paint and run around the office screaming about people taking our freedom.
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@C-Octothorpe said:
Fucking IBM moran...
You'll need to explain yourself more clearly, since I'm apparently a "moran".
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@blakeyrat said:
If Lotus Notes would call their folders "tags", then it would be more obvious that assigning a new tag to an email does not copy that email
I understand your argument. It's something that once you explain to users during training, they get it. They understand that "Sent" is a query to show you, guess what ... all the stuff you've sent.
The problem is, bugger all people ever train their users on 'Notes Basics', they might get shown how to New/Reply/Forward, but that's it, and therefore you end up with the confusion you describe.
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@blakeyrat said:
The legend defrayed the nerves of those brave soldiers who in the morning would have to face death in the Great Search Box War.
Lotus Notes manages to find "Tim" somehwere in the "From" field...
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@Speakerphone Dude said:
Wait a minute, I don't know anyone called Tim but when I try
from:jim
it works because a few people I know have "jim" in their name or email address.*cough* bullshit *cough*
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@blakeyrat said:
Gmail uses the same "folders are labels" thing that notes does, but unlike notes Gmail gets it right.
So what you're saying is every program with a delete feature is wrong because when you tell it to delete stuff, it shouldn't? Didn't anyone ever show you the Lotus Notes "Remove From Folder" option?
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@C-Octothorpe said:
Why would you sort by sender when you can filter to see only messages from a particular sender? Fucking IBM moran...
You know "Tim" is in the from address somewhere; Type "from:tim" in the seach box. You get no results. Legendary.
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@Lorne Kates said:
Are you trying to make this as easy as possible?
Yep.
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@blakeyrat said:
It also ignores the fact that if the product can be configured to not be shit, why doesn't it ship that way?
Tru Dat.
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@Someone You Know said:
Almost everything he did was done incorrectly
I'm not going to defend that guy. The IT world is full of 'Consultants' who don't have a clue, and it's not just limited to IBM.
Just a couple of months ago I had to rebuild an entire AD Domain because the 'Microsoft Consultant' used every *bad* option and GP setting to lock down everything on the network, which included applying the policies to the Domain Controllers. Result: The servers were fubared. They called in Microsoft who told them the only option was to wipe and reinstall from scratch.
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@Xyro said:
Because all the other big players in fat email clients also do that
Ok, so let's pretend Lotus Notes is just email. I open a message/celandar/To-do and every name, number, address, code, etc lights up. I click a name and can choose to see their CRM, Linkedin, Facebook or Internal Contact details. I choose an option and that pops up for me. I click on the code and it goes to the Fedex tracking site and shows me the tracking information for the parcel. No copy, browser, bookmark, paste, Notes does it all for me with one click.
@Xyro said:
Also, why is it always the admin's fault that the software doesn't work?
So you would blame Postfix and call it shitty software if an Admin edited /etc/postfix/master.cf, changed the port number to something other than 25?
@Xyro said:
that's the only reason you'd want to use these broken configurations, right?
Specific example: Small business, only one server, both Domino and ASSP running on the same box. ASSP listens on port 25, you change Domino to listen on 26, and have ASSP route email locally using port 26. That's not a broken network, that's a specific use case.
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@Speakerphone Dude said:
It would also help to use a picture that does not make you look like you are riding Mr T.
ROFL!
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@Speakerphone Dude said:
People come here to bitch about stupid stuff they see at the office and make fun of each other's errors. And get in each other's face once in a while.
No worries. I'm not a princess and can take it as well as the next guy. I'm still going to offer to help people if I think they need it.
Croc Dundee says G'Day ;-)
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@blakeyrat said:
IBM consultants are the worst people in IT.
This thread is a direct result of me attempting to offer advice and assistance. For Free.
Despite the ridicule and name calling, I've hung around and engaged. There has not been any pretence on my behalf, it's been quite clear from the start who I am and what I do.
@blakeyrat said:
DIAF
Nice.
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@blakeyrat said:
Don't answer; I don't give a fuck.
Decided I couldn't help myself but to reply.
@blakeyrat said:your counter-claim is "Lotus Notes didn't support multi-user in version 5"
as with everything else you've incorrectly countered about the subject in question, I specifically said it was possible - and I even told you how we did it. It's a shame we didn't run into one another while you were a Notes admin, I could really have helped you (and your users) out.
@blakeyrat said:So Lotus Notes has a configuration option named, what, "act broken?" "Break email"? Why does that option exist?
the option exists because you may want to redirect SMTP traffic to another box on your network using an alternate port, and again most things in Domino are configurable, which makes it a highly flexible platform.
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@ender said:
What kind of broken mail server connects to 465 directly instead of using STARTTLS on port 25?!
Sigh. One that's been TOLD to do that by an admin who obviously doesn't know what they are doing. Domino follows standards, like sending on 25 and including RFC message headers. Domino can also be configured to do anything, like the situation you describe above. Tell your clients' client they have to change the smtp port on the server document back to the default, port:25.
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@blakeyrat said:
had no option to install multi-user.
Correct, there was no 'option', and that's not what I wrote:
@MatNewman said:
Also, we were configuring Notes 5 in 1998 so that it was multi-user, it only had to be configured on the base image.
It needed to be installed, files copied into the shared paths, reg entries modified and a script path included. As I said, it only needed to be done once in a base image.
@blakeyrat said:
You liar.
And don't call me Shirley.
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@blakeyrat said:
Dude, first of all, don't make me think about those years because basically supporting Notes is the worst period of my life.
I feel your pain. There are special places in the Notes hall of shame for that IT guy.
@blakeyrat said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0n-Ayc8_7h4#t=203s
Vaughan was stepping through the process and explaining what the options mean. He's from New Zealand.
Everything in that video can be scripted so the user doesn't even see it.
Notes SSO was a option included in version 6. It was (and still is) a check-box during the software install. It could have been included in your image BTW. Also, we were configuring Notes 5 in 1998 so that it was multi-user, it only had to be configured on the base image.
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@Speakerphone Dude said:
All the Lotus Notes tools work with Lotus Notes, which means Lotus Notes is fully integrated. So it's like Office + Exchange + SharePoint,
Oh, you mean all the Lotus Notes tools like Twitter, Linkedin, Facebook, Evernote, Dropbox, Google and this web site?