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Posts made by Katja
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RE: my country
Re: my country
I prefer to read http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/qa.html and see all the information the CIA has about Qatar. [:)]
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RE: Do you have lots of pictures of yourself?
My parents have lots of those small transparent slides stored in several dozens of large boxes and I am on about one-third of those. My parents also have this big projector so we can all see them when we're bored which fortunately almost never happens. My dad is planning to scan them all in his computer but fortunately he still hasn't found any time for that either. I'm not that fond of pictures of me because I always tend to have a funny look, or an angry look, or i've spilled something over my clothing or whatever. So I'm happy about the way those pictures are stored right now. [:)]
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RE: How many web design rules can I break in one project?
I came, I saw, I went blind from the color-scheme...
Some people need to be dipped in tar and feather and then kicked out from any civilized area. Let them waste their time on some deserted island with one coconut palmtree, lots of sand and a view over the ocean in all directions. Webdesigners like this one should be castrated to avoid them reproducing and producing more bad webdesigners...
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RE: Even on a more basic level
Hey geys, you do realise that this only makes a difference when you're doing some calculation about half a billion times, or so, don't you? (And yeah, I've learned some basic assembler.)
On the lowest level, you'd get this for A += B:
mov ax, [A]
add ax, [B]
mov [A], ax
However, you can also do this in reverse order:
mov ax, [B]
add ax, [A]
mov [A], ax
at a level this low, it just doesn't matter in which order the calculations are done since the system will need to use some register for the calculations to begin with. So at the lowest level, no difference...
The problem however is at slightly higher levels where the compiler is generating code that will e.g. check for numerical overflows. something like 255 + 255 would never fit in a datatype of 1 byte so there needs to be some bounds checking. And only in such cases the you might get some better optimization results. But still, it doesn't change the fact that for any calculation there's always a need for one register for the result. Basically, any compiler will just load the first value, add the following values and then return the result.
The same can be used at the higher levels. When you use an object-oriented language that will allow you to overload operators then any use of those operators on an object will just create a new object. Thus when doing something like A = B + A, the compiler would start by creating a new object C and assign the value of B to C. It would then add the value of A to C. Finally A will be freed and point to C. The same happens when you say A += B, except in a slightly different order. It will create C, first load it with value A and then add value B before freeing A and then letting A point to C.
Don't forget, objects are basically just nothing more than pointers.
However, you could try to implement a faster solution for A += B by just adding B to A directly. That would indeed save the memory allocation for C and you wouldn't need to free the old A. But not all compilers will build code like that and just do it similar as A = A + B. On the other hand, some compilers will be smart enough to recognise that A = A + B can be optimized to A += B and will optimize the final output. It all basically depends on how the compiler is optimizing object-oriented code that supports operator overloading. And of course how people implement their own operator overloading code.
Still, at the lowest level we're still talking about registers and data in memory. And at this lowest level it's still done by first loading the first value in a register, then adding the next values and finally return the value of the register to the data location. At this point there's really no speed gain, unless you have your data stored in registers to begin with.
The speed gain comes from the overloaded operators, where objects need to be created to hold the result value while another object needs to be freed because it's not required anymore. Then again, working at higher levels will slow you down anyways. And if you really need to do billions of calculations in a very small amount of time, you shouldn't use things as complex as objects. (Yet if you use .NET then you have no other choice...)
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RE: Amazing "Unique" CustomerID
And I can't help but wonder... What did you buy for her? [:D]
Nice links, btw. I've seen some interesting things already.
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RE: The real WTF....
That just shows the problem of open-source code. Some projects are real beauties and very, very user-friendly. Yet this forum-software matches the topic of this website and is a daily WTF already if I would visit it daily. [:)]
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RE: <P>first of all ..... thank you pual for your help ...</P> <P>second of all i am not in col...
Am really sorry but you're doomed. If you can't understand the classes that you're required to follow, there's only one option: fail... But hey, that's a real WTF so don't be bothered by it and start doing other things instead. Thing is, if you know Java or not, there's always room for more employees at McDonalds... [:P]
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RE: Please .... i need your help
Oh, you know some redneck who needs help? I heard they didn't exist. [:P]
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Wow. I've been gone for a while, wasn't I? [:D] Yeah, well... So many things to do and so little time to do them all in...
About my site, my webhost decided to upgrade their systems and then
make it more user-friendly. For example, they reorganised the folder
structure and changed a few other things that crashed several of my
Delphi ASP.NET applications. Still haven't found time to fix that too.
AndHolland? That's the name of the two provinces in the west of the
Netherlands. We have a Northern part and a Southern part which used to
be one bigger Holland in the past but due to some silly wars it's split
up in two. Almost according to some religious borders, with the
Northern part more Protestant and the Southern part more Catholic.
Nowadays it's more like the Northern part are Ajax-supporters and the
Southern part are Feyenoord Supporters. (Both are soccer-teams.) There
are more teams in these provinces, of course, but these are the real
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RE: The patch that doesn't work...
Oh, yes... I've read it. For example, this:
On many occasions Oracle has supplied a "fix" for vulnerabilities discovered by NGSSoftware, yet on examining those "fixes" they fail to properly address the root of the problem. As such, the flaws can still be exploited on a "patched" server.
Clearly makes this a clear Oracle blooper.
So when a fix doesn't fix the problem, is it still a fix?
And to be honest, if a system needs highly educated professionals while other products can deliver the same quality with the use of trained monkeys, then I would prefer the tool with the monkeys...
Because monkeys are always fun... [:D]
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RE: Struggle with shell capturing in .NET
In WIN32, you would do this by setting up some anonimous pipes. One for
the input, one for output and one for the error channel. Then, when
calling the second process, you provide it the handles of these pipes.
You would use the input pipe to write to the second process. The output
and error pipes are used as feedback of what you've been doing.
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RE: Microsoft goofs up again...
@felix said:
If that's an innovation, then it's a stupid one. You won't believe how
many people fuck up by taking their composite document to a different
machine that only has Word installed (and not Excel), or even worse,
it has a totally different Office suite - there are quite a few, you
know. And then they can't understand why their embedded charts or
whatever have vanished.
Some cool ideas work, some don't. Nothings beats experience, if you ask me.
There will always be problems when people move data from one system to
another system, if that other system doesn't support all the data
formats. It's a bit like posting on [i]this[/i] forum using FireFox,
since you know that this forum actually only works well with IE. If
you're lucky, you still manage to get a reasonable result...
The problem however, is that these days we have to deal with smart
data. Or actually, with objects. We have data and it demands to be
processed in a certain way. For this processing you need the proper
tools. OLE was a good solution back in those days but nowadays we have
better solutions for this. XML, for example. With XML you have a single
file containing your data but also information about your data. This
allows you to process this data in some way. And of course you can
process it in many different ways these days.
However, OLE is how old exactly? 12 years? More? Darnit, I was probably
6 or 7 when OLE was finally produced. And in those days, computers were
slow and expensive and something like XML would probably take hours
before the system could process it. Even worse, an XML file of 1 MB
would probably not even fit in your internal memory, because someone
thought 640 KB was more than enough. Back then, OLE seemed to be a good
solution. Nowadays we have so many resources, it's easy to just waste
them on huge data formats. Who cares that XML is so extremely bloated
anyways. Our computers have enough memory and disk space to handle it
all nicely.
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The patch that doesn't work...
[url]http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci1115321,00.html[/url]
See the link. Apparantly Oracle even sucks at patching the sucking bugs in their sucking system... [:(] -
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@Aristotle Pagaltzis said:
[8o|][8o|][8o|][8o|][8o|]You ugly troll!!! Grrr...You are “Re: Betreft: Re: Betreft: Re: Betreft: Re: Betreft: […]”?
…uh, hello, nice to meet you.
[:P]
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Oops... My favorite topic is moving to the bottom. Oh, well... One post and it's on top again. [:D]
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Required reading for everyone!
This is required reading for you all: "
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@Mike R said:
She's back! [:P]
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RE: America vs Europe
@rsynnott said:
But the amount you pay isn't actually going to change because of the constitution, you know...
Isn't it? Apparantly it has become part of the new negotiations now. The Dutch people has shown that they dislike the EU as it is right now. The French has given a similar example. And in Italy, some plan has been suggested to reintroduce the Italian Lire again, to fight their weak economy or whatever.
And it is clear that the average civilian in the EU is barely committed to the EU as a whole. And why not? Things haven't really improved in the Netherlands after the Euro was introduced. The constitution doesn't promise more improvements either. Not for the Netherlands, at least. It just means that we lose more control about our own country. And that is unacceptable for me.
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RE: America vs Europe
@KoFFiE said:
That's something that I can't understand... I mean - you vote "NO" cause you don't like your government, not because you dont like the European constitution. That is imho a pritty stupid thing to do - and they did the same in France...
No, I voted "No" simply because that referendum site told me that my ideas are about 50% of what the constitution would be. On the other 50% the constitution and I just had different opinions. This too helped me to decide to vote no.
And it is more than just disagreeing with our current government. Then again, such a thing is easy to claim since anyone who disagrees with a governmental decision is technically against the government, right? The things I also fear is that the Netherlands would just lose it's identity. If you look at the numbers, the Dutch people are contributing the most to the EU per citizen! We are the ones who pay the most per person! I think every citizen in the EU would have to pay the same amount. As it is now, the system is too unfair. Since we just have a few citizens, we would not have much influence. Yet we are the ones who have to pay the most in our contribution.
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RE: America vs Europe
@Drak said:
As the leader of 'De Nederlandsche Bank' said on the news last week: the Guilder was not sold under its value, and I tend to believe him. The fact that all the bars and pubs doubled their prices is not the fault of the euro. Stuff like home appliances (TVs, washing machines, etc) actually got cheaper, but people don't seem to notice that.
Yeah, but the difference is that you might buy a TV once every 10 years, same for washing machines and other appliances. Yet my weekly day out in the city has become a bit too expensive for my liking. Paying about €4 for just a glass of cola isn't that unusual anymore. In the local supermarket I can buy about three large botthes for the same amount. So this means me and my friends just won't go out that often anymore. It's sad but true.
Besides, combine this with the fact that we also have to pay quite a bit to park near the bar or pay a lot for just a cab drive, it's just no fun anymore. And our public transport? Well, maybe a good place for the guys but if you have to get in a crowded night bus around 1 in the night, you can just feel how much attention a girl can get in town... And I mean literally... If you're lucky, you can find a place to sit. If you're unlucky, some jerk just starts rubbing against you all the time... So no thanks, no bus for me...
It's quite sad, though. If I don't go out a whole month, I can buy a new TV for all the money it saved me...
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RE: America vs Europe
@rsynnott said:
I'm inclined to be in favour of it mostly
because Ireland tends to lag the rest of the EU a bit, and resists
putting things into practice heavily. We only formally legalised
homosexuality in 1992 after an EU court order a few years before, our
health service is a shambles, we don't comply with EU water polution
directives and so on. A stronger Europe will hopefully keep our
government in line.
Well, I guess that for Ireland, this generic constitution would be an
improvement. But for other countries like e.g. the Netherlands, the
constitution might just be a very limiting factor. For example, here in
the Netherlands we are quite open about sex and about mild,
recreational drug abuse. A more generic constitution could actually end
this open character of my country. Also, in Europe, the Netherlands is
a very strong economical power, yet in the number of people we are
quite small. But the amount of control that we have isn't based on our
economical value yet on the number of people here, thus in the big
economical picture, the Netherlands would lose a lot of influence.
Also, in recent events it became clear that the Dutch Guilder had an
exchange rate to the Euro which wasn't completely correct. Apparantly
many companies lost a lot of money simply because the Guilder was sold
for too little. And of course the Netherlands is paying a large amount
of cash to the EU yet it doesn't receive much back in return.
Basically, we have lost lots of money to the EU and continue to lose
money if we don't do anything about it. The EU is bleeding the Dutch
economy dry... And what for? For some corrupt Italian government or
some near-third-world East-European countries? Sure, we're willing to
give our share, but give us something valuable in return too!
As it seems now, we would sooner or later become powerless within the
EU, only good enough to open our wallets and donate it to the
bottomless pits all over the EU.
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@alphonsebrown said:
Katja, where is your website btw, and since
you like movies that much (like me with the whole home theatre thingy
with friends/girls) what's your favourite? if you haven't seen
"Thursday" you should - I think it's the best scenario for a
one-house-only-scene [~]
That site would be below the WWW button below every post of mine. [:S]
I don't have a real favorite movie, though. But did see the movie "Euro
Trip" recently with a topless Michelle Trachtenberg. (The little sister
from Buffy the vampire slayer. And I like the Buffy series of course.
Any movie where the girl/woman kicks some serious ass and the damsels
in distress are guys are my favorites. [:P]
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RE: America vs Europe
@elnerdo said:
Bush doesn't really get to choose what schools teach... He can believe whatever he wants. general lack of unbiased information about homosexuality in sex-ed classes. What else is there to learn about homosexuals other than they are people of the same(Homo) sex(sexuality) who are attracted to eachother. Maybe we could learn about how they....do it. But nobody really wants to know that, and most people can figure that out for themselves anyway. School's don't teach that homosexuality is wrong as far as I know.
More than you think, and I am speaking out of experience...
Basically, the important thing to learn is how to deal with those homosexual feelings when you discover you have them. Learning that it's not a bad thing. Learning that you are not damned in any way for making love with anyone else of the same sex.
And well, a bit more education about how to do the lovemaking between two same-gender people would be welcome but that's why porn magazines exists. [:$]
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RE: America vs Europe
@Drak said:
I haven't thought much about this. Voting... It's still new for me. [:P]So how are you all going to vote on the European Constitution?
Personally I have not decided although I have debated about it with a few people.
Drak
But I do know that I don't like our current government since it's too Christian. Especially with out prime Minister "Harry Potter" Balkenende. I don't like them to succeed so I probably vote 'NO'.
Then again, there's also some referendum site here where you can answer several multiple-choice questions and see how well this constitution complies to my ideas about what it should be. I barely scored a 50% so I confirms that I am against it. To have any doubts, I would have needed a score of over 75%. (And over 90% for a definite yes.) But with 50% my vote will be 'NO'...
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RE: America vs Europe
@abc123 said:
The moment you say that you are not allowed to express anti-government views only because it would somehow be disloyal to your country you have effectly given up democracy!!!
Hey, doesn't freedom of speech also include the right to be against democracy? Don't you have the right to be disloyal to your country if you disagree with it's current actions? I'd assume that there could be a group of people in the USA who would demand that the USA becomes a large Monarchy. [:P] With King Bush III as the Royal leader... Or even an American Empire?
Oh, well... The thing I dislike about democracies is that they are actually representing the voices of the largest minority. Why is that? Well, say there are elections and 60% of the people will vote. And about 50% of these votes are for the winner. That means this person actually had only 30% of all the people voting for him. Definitely not a majority. Just remember that 70% of all the people just didn't choose for this candidate. About 30% had another preference and about 40% couldn't find the right candidate to begin with.
Democracies suck because in most cases you have to choose between two evils. One option is just slightly less worse than the other. And you have to assume that the average person is capable of making the right choice here? This site would not exist if people were able to make correct choices simply because the average person is dumb. People make bad choices sometimes. Can you really expect the average person to be smart enough to decide what is good for the whole country?
Fortunately, modern democracies are recognising this too. That's why they are privatising as much as possible. Simple things just like public transit, or power lines, telephony, etc. If these things were under control by the government, then the people could have any influence over it all. But with these companies in private hands, the only people who have any control are the people who have bought any shares. And by slowly changing the democracy into a large coorporation with shareholders, the government itself just becomes less important and the new rulers will be the people with money, the people with the most shares in those companies.
A person like Bill Gates already has about as much power as George Bush. And no one elected Bill Gates, yet he can almost dictate what operating system you should be running on your computer. Companies will become the new rulers in the future, with shareholders having power while others just have no voice in all the decision-making...
Is this a bad development? Or a good one? I don't know. But it seems to be the future, both for the USA as for Europe. And perhaps soon in other democracies too. Basically, commerse will end all democracies...
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@joodie said:
@Katja Bergman said:
We've seen so many bare breasts here that no one really gets excited over them.
Speak for yourself :-PHey, I can see a nice couple of breasts every day. You won't hear me complain. After a while, you'll just learn to live with them and ignore them most of the time... [:P]
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RE: I love the Dutch translation of this forum... [:)]
But at least the software should recognise the different translations for RE:... We're not getting RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: here all the time so why the RE: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: Betreft: ???
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@sas said:
Anyway, Happy birthday, Miss Bergman... [^] [<:o)] Hope you have a wild & woolly time! [;)]
Thanks... [;)] I had a great birthday. (My girlfriend came over from the UK to celebrate with me...[;)])
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@Drak said:
Are you making music with the coke-bottle? That's sort-of what it looks like [:)]
And a lot of touristy looking people around, so I'm guessing you were on holiday in Greece or thereabouts?
Drak
Actually, just a day out during a warm day in the Netherlands. Besides, I'd just taken the last sip from that bottle, I think. Or maybe I was trying to make music with that bottle. I just don't know anymore.
And that tourist that you seem to be talking about was just a person from a dance-group that was giving a show in the streets, with several other dancers.
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@w3seek said:
Ok, you're a good-looking girl and host porn on your website? Something has to be wrong with you.... ;)
Porn? What's porn for some is just art for others. Besides, if you'd seen the rest of my website, you'd seen where my interests are. [:P]Besides, if it offends you then stop looking!
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RE: So wrong, on so many levels
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@felix said:
@Katja said:
Then again, most webpages aren't made to be seen on a PDA anyway.
Try visiting my home page from your PDA. I'd like to know what it looks like. Thanks.I've peeked at it just now. It looks okay. PDA's in general only have problems with big images, pages with frames or inline frames or withcomplex tables. But your site is readable and even looks okay on a PDA.
Btw, a PDA has a resolution of 240x320 so it's a very small screen.
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Happy now?
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RE: So wrong, on so many levels
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Actually, my PDS has a 'Back' button but the screen is small and therefore, this button is even smaller. A 'Back' button on the page would be easier to hit. :-)
Then again, most webpages aren't made to be seen on a PDA anyway. Ever seen this site on a PDA? That's a real WTF! [:P] And yet even on a PDS it is working as expected.
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Wow... Let me see. €1 is about $1.20 if I'm correct so $2.15 would be €1.80... Okay, still €0.50 more than a liter here but keep in mind... A gallon is between three and four liters. So it's still extremely cheap in my opinion...
And 30 miles to a gallon? That would be 50 KM for about 3.5 liters? Drive that car here in the Netherlands and you'll be dead-broke within weeks... [:P] I envy you for those low prices...
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I'm not sure... If you create a special server for all kinds of gambling games, a gamemaker could really use SOAP so anyone could create some client application that would use this gambling server for drawing cards and keeping track of the amount of cash gambled away. Of course the owner of the server would get a small percentage of every transaction made through it's system and from there it's profits.
Too bad it be immediately attacked by dozens of hackers. And worse, any game designer that creates online games (because SOAP isn't useful for offline games) would really hate it that any hacker could easily read all traffic between client and server and possibly even modify it to cheat...
Game designers definitely dislike people to know anything about the protocols used in their software, because it allows people to start cheating. And especially an online game would be ruined if too many people just cheat all the time...
I think more of banking when I think about SOAP. An SSL connection with the bank server with an additional username and password would make things secure. And the SOAP protocol on the bank server would allow any client to develop their own client applications to get information from the bank. For example, think about a company writing a special application that automatically pays for small transactions. Think about an online site that communicates through SOAP with a bank server to validate creditcard transactions. SOAP would allow companies to just integrate the banks services into their own bookkeeping system. It's that simple.
Then again, any huge database system that is used by tens of thousands of people every day could use SOAP to provide all those users a simple interface to retrieve the data they want, instead of giving them whatever you think they want.
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RE: Thoughts on the New, New Format?
Correction... One topic is now officially over 200 posts and thus needs three pages. It's the most popular topic on this forum, apparantly. And why do I mention this? [:D]That's a secret...[:P]
Maybe this forum needs a special 'Katja' section... [:$]
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RE: Re: I hate SOAP
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Actually, if you have two XML-based products then you can easily create a solution that would convert between the two XML formats. All you need is an XML Mapping tool. And all you have to do is tell the mapping tool how to map the data in one XML file to be used in the other application. This is a very generic solution that just doesn't exist for e.g. CSV files or other file formats.
XML is a good format if you need to exchange data between two different applications because it's a simple standard that defines the whole file structure. My dad told me about one other, similar file format structure called EDI and this format just fails because there are strict specifications that an EDI file has to meet. If you can't put your data into one of the pre-defined EDI schema's then you run out of luck because you're not "allowed" to define your own schema's. But with XML, who cares.
Are there any better alternatives that offer a way to transport a collection of data between applications? I don't think so.
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Besides, we would expect you to drive all the way to Amsterdam to pick us up and then bring us back home again after the movie. And btw, our place is a girls-only house so you can't stay over for the night. [:P]
And did you notice? We're on page 3 now! I'm a page 3 girl now... [:D]
Let's see... It's about 220 KM to the Belgian border. Add another 30 KM from the border to the cinema, that would mean you'd have to drive 1000 KM to pick us up and take us to the cinema. With an average speed of 100 KM/H this means you'll be in your car for about 10 hours. Add 2 hours for the movie... Wow... Now you know why I don't go to Belgium to see a movie. [H]
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RE: The "I hate SOAP" club.
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@joodie said:
My argument is that the SOAP messages are far from simple, and that the S in SOAP is just clever marketing.
Marketing by whom? SOAP is just an open standard. And even before Microsoft started messing with it, it was already supported by Java in some basic way. Java is still a popular language to use with SOAP because you can create a client-side java applet that communicates with a server-side SOAP/Java thing and thus be fully platform-independant. It's just not very fast, even if you're exchanging just data...
@joodie said:Why then, do you need an XML parser just to process a request? We don't usually need them when we write dynamic pages for web-browsers - sometimes an XML formatted request might be a good idea (when you've got loads of data in the request, and it needs to be extensible), but usually that's 100% wasted CPU time.
Actually, as XML starts to get more popular, XML parsers will just be part of whatever development library that you're using. And if you develop for Windows, you already have the MSXML type library available for your use. Which you could even invoke from your ASP webpages.
@joodie said:Look at the google API. 21 lines of XML to do a 3 word query that a browser can do with a single GET request? Why oh why oh why?
How many lines of code would you need to write "Hello, World." on your screen in Assembler? It's not the number of lines that matter. You're typically a guy, you think size matters... [:P]
@joodie said:this article is interesting:
http://webservices.xml.com/pub/a/ws/2002/04/24/google.html
Yes, it is interesting. But what's your point? So SOAP requires a few more lines? Considering the amount of data that is sent over, it is still a pretty small packet. Besides, the people at Google are also still learning how to use this technique. SOAP itself is a reasonable new standard, although it is based upon some older techniques.
@joodie said:depending on the kind of data returned, XML might be a good choice, however...
Yea, but basically you need some kind of protocol that tells the server it should return something as XML instead of HTML or whatever. SOAP is such a protocol. By wrapping things in a SOAP envelope it becomes much clearer to the server about what to do with some request. The URL itself tells where it should be delivered and the envelope itself provides the required information that is required at that point. The server itself doesn't have to know anything about SOAP. It just needs to know how to pass it on.
@joodie said:CSV data is not as easy to parse as most people think, but XML is a lot harder - that's why we have code libraries. Anyway, if you have data that is obviously just a list of records, using CSV will dramatically reduce the amount of network traffic and time spend parsing the result.
The problem with CSV is when you have to deal with different kind of data records. Say, for example, that you're trying to send an invoice from client to server. One client who orders several things at the same time and who gets a discount calculated over the whole amount. You'd need to tell in some way who the client is, the items he ordered, the quantity of every item he ordered, the price for each item perhaps and of course the discount that he gets. And maybe a few more things too. Try to fit that in a single CVS file.
There was a solution for this, btw. It's called EDI. But that's a file format with fixed definitions that you just can't change just like that. A real nightmare format if I can believe my dad. With XML it's just easier. You define a schema and provide this schema to the other side. There they can build their application to accept any messages that matches this schema or they use an XML mapping tool to map your schema format to their preferred schema format.
It just makes it easier to agree on file formats...
@joodie said:SOAP isn't that new. I think one of the reasons there is still lots of imcompatible code, is because it's just too complicated. Especially, when you're using WSDL.
The SOAP standard is pretty new, although it has taken a while before it became a standard. I think SOAP became a standard in 2002 or 2003 or so. Before that, several SOAP implementations already existed but it wasn't a full standard yet. -
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@Katja Bergman said:
At the theatre I either pee in my pants
?!?[^o)]?!?Hasn't this ever happened to you? You're just watching "I, Robot" and suddenly you have to go... Two options. Either you go, ask everyone to quickly get up to let you get past or you keep sitting where you are, hoping your bladder is strong enough to keep it all in until the person next to you offers you another coke and dumb as you are, you drink it...
Such a thing never happened to you?
Never happened to me either, btw. :-) But one of the few times that I did visit the theatre, this happened to be a nasty suprise a young boy left behind at the cinema... And then I won't mention the fact that some people might also puke or fart while in the cinema. It's especially bad if there's a fat guy in the chair in front of you and he ate beans with cabbages the day before. Gas attack!!! [st] And because he's big and fat he's also blocking your view too, so all you see is this brown fog surrounding him and you just don't dare to breathe...
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Hey, guys... Have you noticed the new avatar I'm using now? :-)
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In Firefox, you must drag&drop the emoticons. In IE you can just click on them...
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Floppy disk? What's a floppy disk? Do you mean CD or DVD? [:P]
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Men are strong? Definitely not! Just take David Beckham, for example.
Has a pretty wife who already pushed out two kids for him and what does
he do? When he just sees another pretty girl, he just goes after her,
totally forgetting his own wife. Then gets caught of course and starts
complaining and even weeping in public about how bad he has been...
SUCKER!
Not only do we women have strength, we are also in control, in the
background. [:P] There is NO strong man without a stronger woman behind
him...
And well, of course I liked that movie. In the older movies it would
always be the guys who had to rescue the damsel in distress but these
days the damsels can kick ass too, in the movies. Like "Kill Bill",
more and more movies about the stronger sex (we women) are appearing...
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Java, of course. Should have known that. Why people still use that crappy language is still a miracle for me... [:P]
And revoking programmers licenses?... If they keep this up like this,
soon they will have lost all the above-average customers and all who
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Us, man-haters? [6] Actually not, but the no-man-in-the-house-rule just
means that we can walk inside our house wearing whatever we like. Also
means that we don't have to keep things as clean as guys expect women
are. [:P] It just doesn't work when you get up in the morning and walk
to the bathroom for a shower, only to discover some guy who had stayed
for a sleepover taking a shower... [:$]
And about that movie... It's just the truth. In Alien, the only
survivor was a woman. In Aliens two women survived. Oh, and some male
soldier survived too after being rescued by the women. In Aliens VI
again, a female survivor. And of course, a female robot, showing that
if there will ever be robots, people prefer them to be women.
We women are extremely strong persons. Want proof? Then you press
something the soze of a soccer-ball through a body opening the size of
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Hmmm. Either watch a movie at home or travel from Amsterdam to Antwerp
or some other clean Belgian movie theatre... Well, that's what? 100
miles or so? Spending 90 minutes in my car to travel to Belgium, watch
a movie for 85 minutes, then travel 90 minutes to get back home again...
Naaaaaahhh... I prefer my widescreen TV with DVD recorder. Or just my
computer with build-in DVD burner. Watched "Alien versus Predator"
yesterday with my housemates. Great fun! :-) And of course the men all
die and the woman win the battle...