@toon said:@HoldYourHeadUpHigh said:I might have said, "Works for me!" as I was walking out the door. You, my friend, are one arrogant fucknard. I, for one, can certainly see why they canned you: it's because they started noticing that attitude. Hey, baby, but I can change. Sigh. Yeah, you are right. It took a long, long time to get to that point, like 8 years. I'm less likely to be fired for apathy now and I still wonder why past employers didn't fire me sooner. I am aware of my fucknard problem and when I can, I deal with it a lot differently. @toon said:@HoldYourHeadUpHigh said:I still don't think it was a significant problem. If I cared and paid more attention, I would have noticed Bill freaking out and losing his shit. I didn't pick up on it because I didn't care until I was leaving and Bill caught up to me, finally explained why it was a big deal. After that point I sat down and hacked in a solution, so I could leave as soon as possible. So, blakeyrat was right: you went from not-a-big-deal to I-had-to-fix-it in less than a single paragraph. Either you, in retrospect, don't think it's a big deal, or Bill explained why it's a big deal (which would imply that you now do think it's a big deal). It can't be both. I think Bill thought it was a big deal. Prior to these conversations, I didn't think it was a big deal. I am currently uncertain. I thought most people would simply hit F5, given the rate that errors in transmissions happen naturally (without a caching problem) when CSS doesn't load. I thought it was cool that the site still functioned even when most of the CSS was not loading correctly. I was informed later that I was incorrect. Given the site audience and their lack of technical acuity, I was, perhaps, being very optimist. Given that I haven't seen any data and studies done on whether or not a visitor will hit refresh (either key, set of keys or using the button), I still doubt the accuracy of that statement. Given the anecdotal evidence, it appears highly likely that I am wrong. To be fair, in past experience at the same company, when the exact problem popped up, it was an non-issue. When the same issue popped up a few weeks after my departure from the same company, the issue was "solved" by going to the boss and hitting F5. I expected F5 to exactly fix the problem. Also, from my perspective, I should have already been gone. Just because I stayed an extra 4 minutes, it was now my problem? How about calling up the person that actually caused the problem? What if the person who caused the problem stayed as long as I did? What if the person who caused the problem actually incremented the version himself? What if we didn't have a WTF system in the first place and it automatically sent the correct cache headers and/or to support IE6 incremented the version number based on the CSS build number? Part of the problem, from my perspective was that they implemented new processes and procedures that obsoleted the old without informing anyone. If you spent 3 years working for a company implementing WTF after WTF because they told you to implement WTF after WTF. Then one day, they actually care about appearances, what would you think? How nice it must be to work in a company where WTFs don't come in the form of communication and technological. I'm not saying I didn't screw up. However, my screw-up was communication. My expectation was that since this exact problem was always handled this way that it would always be handled that way. If they were concerned about the site cache problem, I would have implemented a solution which would have removed the problem from happening. Actually, I couldn't, because it wasn't "severe" enough to warrant spending resources on a "low priority" "non-issue". So, if you would please understand my frustration with my misunderstandings, then I would be most delighted. @toon said:Except if Bill explained why it was a big deal, you realized from his viewpoint he was right, and then decided that his opinion was inferior to yours. Which is not only arrogant, but (more to the point) untrue. First of all the arrogance: you are both human beings. As blakey said, what's the big deal about staying for a few minutes and humoring your boss? It's Friday for him, too. He's losing his shit on a Friday afternoon, only to find you being a dick to him about it. I wanted to anon, the post, so I changed the day. In reality it happen on a Tuesday. However, I use a quote from a Google engineer or it might have been attributed to someone else, "Your lack of insight does not constitute a priority on my part." Also, if it was a big of a problem, why wasn't I told sooner? Given the amount that the web site is used at the company internally, I would have thought it would have been reported long before 5pm, when it happened before 4pm. I also offered to spend time after I got home to work on the issue. Sure, it would have been 30 minutes, but what is 30 minutes? Nope. Marketing material went out that day to a couple of 70k people. More than likely if no one had checked the web site. Also, if he would have explained at the time that, "Hey, we sent a newsletter to 70k people and we think the CSS problem would affect our professionalism, could you fix it now?" As opposed to saying that after I about left and during the meeting where I was handed the final written notice. @toon said:Next the untruth: from your words, I deduce that you understood that it's a big deal to him for reasons that make some kind of sense. And the rub is, he's your boss. I understand that technically he's only paying you until 5 PM, but he's still paying you, and if he's got an issue that he thinks is important for reasons that are not moronic, then it is, because he is your boss. I'm not saying that's an infallible or always-valid argument, but in this case I think it holds up pretty decently. They would not have liked you. Since they were paying me by salary, they thought that it meant that if they wanted me to work 70 hours a week instead of 40, that it damn well entitled that to them. I know this, because they stated as much. I didn't have the heart to tell them that I would have jumped ship so fast I would have left an afterimage. Also during that same conversation, I was seriously contemplating saying, "Fuck this shit, I'm out!" and giving them the finger and not figuratively. I was silently telling myself, "Just 6 more months. Just 6 more months. Have to survive 6 more months." See above for the context. I only deduced that when he came in he was losing his shit based on hindsight. I included apathy because it has been a while and I really don't remember, so technically not a lie, just creative freedom given the length of time and my own memory. I am really terrible when it comes to people and their emotion state. @toon said:The response your boss get from me, would be a long sigh, because I would probably not be able to hold that in, and then a sort of friendly "well-I-suppose-I'd-better-get-cracking-then" look. Then I'd get cracking and fix it, leaving any other questions like: do I really have to do this, is this really such a big deal, why didn't you come to me an hour ago, etc to next Monday. This shows your boss: "he doesn't like being held in on a Friday afternoon with something tiny, but he's still going to fix it for me so I can stop losing my shit, and so can my customers". And that, is how we try not to get canned. To be fair, I have the benefit of hindsight and not being tired from a long week of work. Also, I am my very own walking set of WTFs because I would proceed to ponder this incident all weekend, working myself up and up and up, only to arrive at work on Monday, not raising any of those questions... That is good advice. I will try to remember it when in my head I'm screaming. Given that my normal state is to be a giant asshole, I'm unsure if I can actually pull this advice off. I guess it will take another being canned or two before it sinks in. Well, I'm in constant communication with my current boss and constantly asking questions about priorities and expectations. Also, given that I love my job and the people I work for, I wouldn't mind staying late. That may change within the next couple of years before my narcissism starts to kick in. I really wish there was a pill for that.