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  • i used java for years, and saw how it is an open invite for untrained programmers to crank out loads of aweful code that sort of works.

    and J2EE and its respective container implementations make me want to puke.

    J2EE has more needless complexity than i can possibly begin to describe.

    my take on it is this - it gives people the feeling that they are being productive, when in fact, they are just writing tons of try/catch/wrap/rethrow clauses and event listener management loops.

    sure 10k lines of code to implement features that are boiler plate in other languages, and having done it in 2 weeks may make you feel pumped.

    but, if i can implement the same thing in 500 lines of code in 2 days, then who is the loser?

    in any case, from what i can tell, you can become a 'certified' java programmer in a few months with no background in programming whatsoever.  and this seems to lead to a lot of strange code floating around out there.

    screw Sun and their 1/2 baked ideas.  they are not a software company.  sure they made a decent OS, but that's where it stops, IMHO. 

    they need to stop poluting the world with their garbage.

    the least they could do is to come out with a release of Java that fixes all of its shortcomings. 
    i mean, they know what is wrong with their stuff, but they don't fix it, because they want to maintain compatibility.  well, compatibility and java don't belong in the same sentence ;-)
    sure, i can still bind to Hashtable and Vector, but the runtime semantics of Swing - forget it.

    anyway - i've spent to much of my career dealing with this big, fatty, ugly, stinky thing called java, and i'm tired of it and the endless hype around it.

      



  • @slashkev said:

    sure 10k lines of code to implement features that are boiler plate in other languages, and having done it in 2 weeks may make you feel pumped.

    but, if i can implement the same thing in 500 lines of code in 2 days, then who is the loser?

    see http://bob.pythonmac.org/archives/2006/01/06/in-development-flashticle/ for an example of what you're describing


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